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DF Reference Collection / Re: Unsolved Mysteries Version II
« on: September 04, 2011, 10:32:35 PM »
Believe it or not, I just read all 26 pages of this thread.  You guys are amazing!

I also looked for a version III because all kinds of issues from GS were not addressed, but couldn't find one.  So if there is one, someone please redirect me...

I noted a few things down as I went through the thread:

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Maybe the demon in the Sight is his old employer Drakul, metaphorically holding Kincaid, much like viewing Harry with the Sight shows HWWB.

Do we know this - that viewing Harry with the sight reveals HWWB?  I'm doing a another re-read, so perhaps I'm missing something from the later books, but it seems to me Harry has always been really clear about not knowing, and not asking, what people see in him during a soul gaze.

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So far, the general consensus has been that the Erlking is the most likely culprit for the hexenwulfen belts, but we're not sure.
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Is it just me, or does this just seem like a really odd thing to happen?

It seems to me also that this doesn't ring true.  I just can't see the Erlking taking that kind of interest in FBI nobodies.  And I don't see anything in the text to support the theory - especially as the books go on.  At the end of Proven Guilty, Eb & Harry agree that something is behind all these things...  the hexenbelts being one of 'these things'.  I just can't see the Erlking fitting into the rest of it, and if he doesn't, he can't be the one to supply the hexenbelts. 

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Was Rudolph being influenced by anyone other than the eebs/before the eebs?
I recently re-read GP in which he's explicitly and vocally supportive & protective of Murphy.

I also just re-read GP, and Rudolph, scared as he was, was clearly protective of Murphy.  He even, through his terror, threatened Dresden if anything happened to her.  He seems to have gone through a major character shift, and I can't see embarrassment being the entire cause of it.

So I agree with you here, totally.  It's an unexplained character shift.

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which reminds me, there are some notions that Harry is meant for a mantle like the Warden (singular), which we don't know much about, or Blackstaff (for which I personally consider Harry to be supremely unsuited), but what about Harry as Gatekeeper?

When I first read that entry in McCoy's journals, that was exactly what I thought.  Later on in the series, there were a whole lot of other choices - but first impressions are important.  And that was definitely my first thought, the Gatekeeper's mantle.

As to why Mouse didn't bark at the fire...  I have to say I had the same idea as

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Because then Jim would have had to come up with some other way to break Harry's back...
  ;D  I mean an author is just an author, he has to get things in their places one way or the other.  (Sorry, sorry, flees flying tomatoes).

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It's gotta be an enchantment in some sense, because Harry believed he could have cured Susan by using the unravelling cloth.

This is what Harry thinks.  What he hopes to do with it.  It's entirely clear that Mother had other plans.  So I don't think Harry's fantasy solution here bears much weight.  We, the readers, knew, from the moment Mother gave that to him, that he would have to use it in the current situation.  And so he did.

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Whoever Victor was working for, they knew about the heart-ripping curse used by the Red Court as well.

This is one that keeps coming up and keeps bothering me.  Yes, I know it's been mentioned that someone tells Harry the Red Vampires blood curse tears the heart out, but I don't remember seeing that happen at CI.  And Victor Sells was using simple thaurmatogy - super powered by the storm and the sex ritual - but there was a live rabbit with Harry's hair and a sharpened spoon.  Presumably, had he had time, he would have dug the rabbit's heart out with the spoon, and just like the Snoopy and the Loup-garou, it would have worked on Harry.  It just seems totally different than the blood line curse.  (To me, naturally, no offense meant).

Re the person who hit Harry's car from behind. 

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Thomas mentions it at the end of that book as a loose end.

If you're talking about the end of Proven Guilty, it was Eb who mentioned it as a loose end.

As far as Kincaid saying Harry was as human as he was...  Personally, I'm fascinated by Kincaid.  And I'm quite sure that comment had meaning - and not just that being a Wizard is enough to differentiate himself from a vanilla human. 

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I read that as a pretty straightforward comment calling Dresden out for throwing stones from his glass front porch.
 He doesn't need to be a scion of something from the nevernever to be less than human.
A lifespan of a couple centuries and the ability to harness the forces of creation and destruction with your mind makes you pretty darn inhuman.

Mortal practitioners.  Kincaid is a scion.  We know that now.  And that he made his choice a long time ago.  I really can't see him throwing out a comment like that in reference to something they both knew - that Dresden was a Wizard. 

Not to say I know what it means.  But I'm pretty sure it's important.

Anyway, after more than an hour reading this thread...  that enough from me. 

Again, you guys are just amazing!

Ona


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Really interesting thread - congrats folk!

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It also blows out of the water that Eb met his vanilla mortal wife during the French and Indian War and married her.

How so?  The WoJ quoted says Maggie's mom was a mortal (not vanilla mortal) and died in 1810.  Eb & Merlin were "young bucks" (about 50 years old) during the French-Indian war, and fought on opposite sides.  (That's recent WoJ contemplating writing a short story about it).  Especially if Maggie's mom was vanilla mortal, Eb would almost have to meet her in & around the war to have any hope of having a child with her. 

Secondly, if Maggie had to be born before 1810 (which is a given, since she can't have been born *after* her mother died), and she had Harry in 1973, (& Thomas apx 7 years earlier), then we have to accept that Maggie was still fertile at no less than 160. 

I'm not sure how to explain Luccio.  I'll have to go back and re-read that scene.  Iirc, it was more about desire/lust, than about reproduction.  But...  well, yeah, I need to re-read.  In any case, there can be absolutely no doubt that Maggie was fertile at that age.  (Biologically, my best guess is that use of magic keeps the eggs from deteriorating.  When I tried for children in my 40's, I conceived easily, but couldn't carry past 12 weeks - my eggs were too old.  If I was a Wizard, presumably I wouldn't have that problem.  And most women, oddly enough, have too many eggs left at the onset of menopause.  In the few years before it kicks in, the body begins throwing as many out as possible.)

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If we accept that Maggie would have no good reason to want the council to know that she was breaking the laws, then one wonders how the council found out.

Agree, completely.  In fact, there are two things that bother me about the time line, though I don't have any doubts about it's basic integrity.  During her dinner with Eb, she was clearly not being hunted.  After that dinner, the WC thought she'd come to grief in the Nevernever, (well, maybe except for Eb).  Five years pass, and when she turns on her (bad) allies, she's also hunted by the WC as a warlock.  This seems like a major inconsistency to me.  If they thought she was lost in the Nevernever, how could they decide she's a warlock?  And if she was a busy little law breaker, under Raith's control or not, how could they think she was lost in the Nevernever?

The other is her death.  I just can't see any new mother *wanting* to leave an infant child.  And some of the theories in this thread are WAY convoluted.  Still, it's clear that Malcolm and Harry were in some way her redemption.  And Occams razor suggests that she was shielding against Raith (& others) while on the run, but couldn't hold a shield and have a baby at the same time.

Last bit of my two cents - boy did I stretch it out - is that I'm definitely in the group that thinks Maggie was a thorn in the council's side, running around risking death in the Nevernever, talking to minor demons, but not crossing the line, for most of her life. 

Oh and I think it was a brilliant guess that she's the one who found the doorway to Outside in the far reaches of the Nevernever...  though I'm not convinced she *did* much of anything with Outsiders.  Just by finding it, she made it vulnerable.

All right, my two cents is now copper wire...

Ona

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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: An "How To" FAQ?
« on: August 28, 2011, 05:33:43 PM »
Thank you Enjorous & Amber...

Yes, I read the introduction to simplemachines, but couldn't find many specifics on "how to".

And I'm not sure what you mean by opening the post in different tabs...  When I hit the quote button, all I get is the HTML for quotes.  Do I hit the quote button on the specific posts I want to quote?  Do I go back and cut and paste between the " " as it were?  At another forum I spend quite a bit of time at, if you want to quote multiple posts, there's a checkbox - almost invisible - that you have to check in each of the posts you want to quote.  Is it something like that?

Thanks in any case, for answering my call for help  ;)

Ona

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Site Suggestions & Support / An "How To" FAQ?
« on: August 27, 2011, 02:11:19 PM »
Hi All,

Sorry to bother you with stupid stuff like this...  but I don't understand how to use the quote button - never mind a bunch of of other options when I post.  (Like what on earth is "Toggle View")

Is there a FAQ already in existence to explain how things work here?  (I've searched and searched and can't find one).

If there's not, I guess my most important question is how do I insert quotes from multiple posters in my responses.  I read the thread about the "new" quote button - it came up on Search.  Does that mean I hit quote to get the automatic HTML and then go back and cut and paste into it?

Sorry again for bothering you busy and wonderful people with such a silly question.  If there is a FAQ, just send me the link.

Thanks ever so,

Ona

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dresden Files Geek Code (long)
« on: August 27, 2011, 11:54:51 AM »
Where is the discussion on using parenthesis to show range?  I've searched and searched and can't find it.  I've been using them essentially mathematically - but I would *love* more range!

Thanks,

Ona

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Dresden Files Geek Code (long)
« on: August 25, 2011, 08:38:50 PM »
Ok...  I think this works...

DV Ona v1.0 YR3 FR(0.3/2) BK++ RP- JB TH(+.5) WG+ CL+ SW(x3) BC+ MC(+.5) MS+++ SH[Elaine++, Murphy+, Molly--]

I'm not sure I'm allowed to take such liberties...  FR(0.3/2) = I've spent apx. 3 months on the forum over 2 years.  & SW(x3) = I am pretty sure the swords will be wielded by 3 separate people - Sanya being one.

OK?  Do I need to get this approved by the Geek Squad or something...

Ona

PS:  I wish I had some "formulaic" way of saying how much I would *love* to meet JB (though I think it's distinctly unlikely).  But he seems like such an all around nice guy and good soul.  It seems so darn neutral to just put his initials up there. 

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