it's my understanding in the DFRPG universe that GOD's agenda is to promote free will, to allow mortals choice. the nights were formed to save the people being controlled by the denarians and the knights usually freelance anywhere there's anybody forcing people to do things against their will.


so for my game i unfortunately have 3 holy rollers and because they have somewhat differing "faiths" i have to give each a different set of rules.

my kotc knock-off gets the usual save the victim from something evil a lot, as well as some moral choices such as Imp suggested, including some of "the greater good vs. the good of the one" type.

my "holy supernatural bounty hunter" gets many kill the vampires who are trying to eat someone etc. situations as well as a few "what counts as mortal?" curveballs.
for instance: WC vampires are pretty much "Mortal" most of the time when their "inner demon" isn't in control, or is a focused practitioner still mortal even though it has supernatural powers and it's using them for evil?

my "holy human hero" aka duddly do-right wannabe gets pretty much EVERY stereotypical "But wouldn't it be good/just/fair/right/morally correct to do _____?" which has been highly entertaining since he plays his character so naive...  including a RC vampire convincing him that even though it had kidnapped a party member and tortured her in it's basement that the hero COULDN'T just break into his house to take her back since that was against the law and a hero wouldn't stoop to that level

as i understand it piazo now has the license for 3.5 which they're marketing as pathfinder rpg. it's pretty awesome.

their design philosophy is since the later 3.5 books are so much stronger than the core, they're starting at the core and revising up till all things are relatively equal while making some gameplay changes to fix issues.

and yeah, on that list i'm sure dnd is the current edition since pathfinder is 3.5

not to derail everything you guys have been up to but the loup garu showed up perfectly clear. it was harry throwing the giga-spell that gave the camera issues.

supernat creatures cause no problem to cameras aside from when they get annoyed and hex.

otherwise i'd wonder how laura raith was a porno star.....

harry was on tv....

other wizards have been photographed.

ghosts have been photographed...

etc. all in the books.

basically as long as it has a physical presence. it's the active magic part that makes things fuzzy.  or at least that's how it appears to me.

has the idea of ANYONE can shop here

it's also basically a global empire unto itself. i figure if marcone can be a freeholding lord the wal-mart execs had a fair chance as well, and they only care about the bottom line of business, not who you are

we decided for my game that all wal-marts are accorded neutral grounds.

read the book, think i got it figured out that you pay for the powers and get a discount on the first item for it is what it is. so i'm ok right there.

1) one of my players wants a +1 to his guns skill (his items a gun) when keeping with it's purpose (like the sword of the cross.) and i'm thinking that's a -1 for cost but

2) how the heck is a sword of the cross a -3 sword? it seems that either all equal before god is massive (like -4 massive) or i don't actually understand how the abilities are added.

could someone please explain? i think i understand but i want to double check before i determine a cost for his items.

the players items are currently 2x pistols, +1 guns when in purpose (hunting supernatural creatures), holy and it sounds like it should be -3 or -5.

Jaxom Faux: I would argue that it is the intent behind the magic that determines if you stain your soul or not. Consider the scenario:

The wizard Q creates a huge weather effect that goes out of control and causes the deaths of a couple of people.
If the guy was acting like a brainless jock and this is the result then it is a lawbreaker.
If the guy was acting out of desperation to take out some monsters (like a flock of harpies or clearing the cloud cover to burn some blamps) and he passes out from backlash (and looses the control), I wouldn't assign lawbreaker to him. Sure he would get in serious trouble with the White Council but thats a different matter.

If you are intention is to kill with magic or magic created effect or if you act irresponsibly (juvenile etc) then it is a lawbreaker. If you are only holding the guy so you can stab him then it is not. If you were trying your hardest and you couldn't hold it together cousing colleteral damage it isn't (it is sure to be a  negative aspect change however)

1. the council doesn't care about intentions, if you were using magic and it results in someones death, you broke the law. period.

2. holding a guy to kill him? lawbreaker, your magic is abetting your murder.

3.

Contract Hit - You summon a creature from the Nevernever (or, more accurately, provide a gateway for said creature).  You bargain with the creature to have it kill someone, and offer to pay it with some sort of magical service.  However, the actual contract is not imposed by magic, and the killing is not done via the caster's magic.  You caused the death, but you didn't cause it via magic - it's a mundane bargain that just happens to have used magic to get the other party present for bargaining, and pays for the killing by providing a magical service at a future date.

Things get a bit dicey if the deal is enforced by a magical contract, as that ties magic into the actual killing.  But a mundane deal should be fine (even if the deal gives an opening for the creature should it be broken, the same way faeries have power over you when you break a deal with them).

i think the wardens would argue using magic to summon up the creature to make the deal in the first place (consorting with demons/blah/blah) would be more than enough to get you on their "kill him" list.

I can see that.

Chuin:  The masters of Sinanju kill to promote harmony.  We have done this since the drawn of time.  For example, Napolean.  The greek boy, Alexander.  Robin Hood.

Remo:  Robin Hood?!

Chuin: A bandit!

bonus nerd lore for that quote, love that movie. but i thought korea wasn't tibet?

continues:

Remo: besides, didn't napolean die in his sleep?

Chuin: WRONG! all of them Perfect assassinations