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Author Craft / Re: Is there some River trope I am missing?
« on: April 04, 2011, 12:09:00 AM »
Could be a flood plain.  Not all rivers flow out of mountains.  Sometimes you can have rivers that flow through plains or marshy areas that get a lot of precipitation. 

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Author Craft / Re: Fallen Fantasists
« on: February 21, 2011, 07:19:16 PM »
Dresden is a traditional hero by the standards of the argument.  He is forced to moral questions, but that's something every good hero has to do.  Compared to Stover's, or Abercrombie's characters Marcone would come out a hero; because he has a code, and isn't needlessly violent.

Dexter (which I also love) is an interesting character because he's a moral villain, versus an amoral hero.  One of the great things about that show (and the novel) was the sort of "You shouldn't be rooting for this guy." *wink* 

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Author Craft / Fallen Fantasists
« on: February 21, 2011, 05:13:19 AM »
There's been a debate going on around the web lately about fantasy, specifically the tendency toward less morally elevated characters and stories..  I thought I'd post some of the articles here and get some reactions.

It started with an article, "The Bankrupt Nihilism of Our Fallen Fantasist," by Leo Grin talks about the increase in nihilistic and gritty fantasy as opposed to the more traditional Sword and Sorcery of Robert E. Howard, and High Fantasy by Tolkien.  The article uses the works Joe Abercrombie as as its main example of this trend

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lgrin/2011/02/12/the-bankrupt-nihilism-of-our-fallen-fantasists/

Abercrombie replied, rather glibly I thought, on his blog.

http://www.joeabercrombie.com/2011/02/15/bankrupt-nihilism/

The Black Gate ran an interesting rebuttal to several remarks Ambercrombie made.

http://www.blackgate.com/2011/02/20/the-decline-and-fall-of-the-fantasy-novel/

I don't know if this is one of those things which is a lot of sound and fury, but I find the discussion intriguing.  As someone who enjoys the more traditional moral heroes (like Dresden) and more traditional stories where people are basically decent, and are distinct from the bad guys, I don't much like the more nihilistic fiction trend.  I have for a long time known that I had to avoid works that were more "real," or "gritty."  I'm not saying that there's no place for works like that, but they're not to my taste.

Frankly, I find the idea that works like Abercrombie now dominate fantasy (an idea expressed in the first article, the one that started it all) is absurd.  The more traditional fantasies are still the ones that sell.  There hundreds who want to be the next Jordan, or Sanderson or Butcher.  I don't know many people who want to be the next Abercrombie.  There might be a few who want to be the next George R.R. Martin, and that's a scary thought.  But I think that the former authors are popula,r and inspire emulators, not because they sell so well, but because there is a joy in reading that kind of fiction, and a joy in writing in that vein.

Anyway, that's my opinion.  What's yours?

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Author Craft / Re: Any Advice?
« on: August 12, 2010, 12:21:00 AM »
Something that works for me is to try and write something else.  I do not mean another story, just something to get going.  answer emails, write a forum post, blog, or anything.  Every short story I've written requires a short essay to get going.

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Author Craft / Re: Necromancy and those that practice it
« on: August 04, 2010, 11:24:26 PM »
In my world magical abilities are inborn.

To access that ability, mental techniques are required to receive a certain result.  Sometimes this involves rituals, sometimes just a cleansing breath. 

A persons affinity with a particular kind of magic (in my world white, black, elemental, or necromantic) depends on which supernatural element they access first.  In my necromancers case, he brings his father back from death after a heart attack in a field of wheat.  As a result of bringing the father back, the wheat (and all the living things around them, are sucked of their life force.  Since he used his magical ability to deny death, he forever after has one foot in the world of the dead.

He has the power to animate anything that had been alive.  He can communicate spirits that haven't yet, or have no desire to, move on.  More importantly he can feed power to spirits and animated skeletons and they like, but always at a cost to something living.  The self aware the living creature he's trying to take power from, the harder it is.

There's a lot more, but this is the basics of necromancy in my story. 

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Author Craft / Re: Request help livening up a boring exposition scene
« on: August 04, 2010, 11:02:34 PM »
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I regard that as an excellent opportunity to up the romantic and/or sexual tension.

I agree completely. 

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Author Craft / Re: Posting a story online means it won't get published?
« on: August 02, 2010, 09:50:58 PM »


A good point in fact is that online writing groups use mailing lists and not forums.  It's better for the stories chances to keep it from the public realm until its accepted for publication

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Author Craft / Re: despite the flack I'm going to get....
« on: August 02, 2010, 09:47:27 PM »


As my last thought regarding writing a story good enough for publication; it seems to me that in a world of roughly six billion people, about eight billion want to be writers. 

There's a lot of manuscripts out there that should get published on the merits. 

Figuring out what the market wants is a publishers job.  A writer should write what they write best.  Rowling could never have written a story about an angsty teen girl, and her vampire not-lover.  She's a Classicist, so she wrote a story with a lot of classical elements.   
 

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Author Craft / Re: despite the flack I'm going to get....
« on: August 01, 2010, 10:18:30 PM »
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I'm interested in learning from the successes of these women. Do they have their flaws? Of course. Are they still crazy successful authors? Hell yeah. And frankly, it's studying their accomplishments that can help us, not sulking over the flaws that their agents and editors and publishers and readers didn't care much about.

If you hope to match their success, you must realize that what initially got them published was luck.  What made them successful was luck, and good marketing.  The same goes for many writers mentioned  in this thread.  

I love Mr. Butcher's story about crashing an invitation only writers, publishers, and agents mixer. http://www.jim-butcher.com/jim/

My point being, learn to write as well as you can.  Don't make intentional mistakes for styles sake.  Ultimately it's networking and luck that get you published.  And don't write anything like Meyer's book.  There's a glut of that type of thing in the markets right now.

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Author Craft / Re: despite the flack I'm going to get....
« on: July 30, 2010, 11:34:43 PM »
The best I can say of Meyer's writing is that it's workmanlike.  It's the characters I really can't stand.

King's writing is actually pretty good, especially in relation to other bestselling authors out there.  His characters are some of the best developed I've ever read in stand alone books.  That he writes without a plan, I view simply as one way to approach writing.  You can't change how you write. 

Tolkien was a scholar of Middle-English, and it shows in his writing.  It's long on descriptions and speeches, and short on action.  If you think differently; you're thinking about the movies.  The rather dense writing is forgiven, when it is forgiven, because of the scope and idea of the novel.

In all the examples the important aspect is the story.  Meyer's story can, at best, be said to have a very narrow audience.  Both King and Tolkien tell very different types of stories, but they are interesting stories.  King, by using suspense, and Tolkien by sheer scale and almost mind numbing detail.

One of the ironic twists to a discussion like this is, that if you look at the nuts and bolts technical aspects of writing, J.K. Rowling usually comes out as the winner.  The series is written for children who are still learning sentence structure and vocabulary.  As a result, they were held to a very high standard of grammatical correctness.  The sentences are simple, true, but I think that makes what she did in creating the world she did  even more amazing.

Anne Rice scares me.  possibly because she's a born again fundamentalist vampire from beyond the Missisipp' So I wont say anything bad about her.

         

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Author Craft / Re: Necromancy and those that practice it
« on: July 28, 2010, 01:28:11 AM »


Vodou is a Hatian religion.  Voodoo is an offshoot of Vodou and Catholicism practiced in the Deep South of the United States.  Hoodoo refers to the specific ritualism aspect.

That's just what my Magic, Witchcraft and Religion notes say.  To be honest I don't know much about the area.

For my necromancy; I blended the Cult of Mithras with some Ancient Egyptian Funerary rites and set the whole thing in rural Russia

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Author Craft / Re: Necromancy and those that practice it
« on: July 25, 2010, 10:06:04 PM »
While the definition of the word is a good start, I think its important to remember there is a wider anthropological scope to the idea of necromancy. 

In cognitive emergence, the realization that death is something that awaits us all is a pivotal concept in the path to sentience.  Which means its possible, even probable, that most ancient and small-scale societies will have some form of necromancy as a reaction to that realization, so that some form of control, real or imaginary, may be exerted over death.

Navajo religion has a great deal that deals with the cleansing of spirits from homes, using the Ghost Way. 

Greek myth has several stories where a hero journeys to Hades to bring someone back.

Chinese ancestor worship provide links between the living and the dead

Voodoo and Santeria both have heavy necromantic elements to them


If you look at any supernatural religion, you'll find some element of necromancy.  I would encourage anyone to look beyond the traditional Western concept, to say nothing of the D&D

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Author Craft / Re: Sites and book recommendations
« on: July 24, 2010, 04:09:34 PM »
Useflul tings for me have been

The Turkey city Lexicon

http://www.sfwa.org/2009/06/turkey-city-lexicon-a-primer-for-sf-workshops/

Beyond that, Stephen King's "On Writing," and Ursula L. Le Guin's "Steering the Craft" were very useful.  I would also be lost without my 1995 edition of the Little Brown Handbook, a college composition and grammar book. 

Other than that I read a lot of fiction, and I read it critically 

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Author Craft / Re: Necromancy and those that practice it
« on: July 23, 2010, 01:34:37 AM »


The Wikipedia entry for necromancy presents some interesting options.  Great thing about creative writing; Wikipedia is full of information that's true...enough

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Author Craft / Re: Help needed: Good song for a vampire stripper
« on: July 22, 2010, 06:16:03 AM »


Black Magic Woman by Santana.  Slow, Sensual, Hypnotic.


"I got a Black Magic Woman.
I got a Black Magic Woman.
Yes, I got a Black Magic Woman,
She's got me so blind I can't see;
But she's a Black Magic Woman and
she's trying to make a devil out of me.

Don't turn your back on me, baby.
Don't turn your back on me, baby.
Yes, don't turn your back on me, baby,
Don't mess around with your tricks;
Don't turn your back on me, baby,
'cause you might just wake up my magic sticks.

You got your spell on me, baby.
You got your spell on me, baby.
Yes, you got your spell on me, baby,
Turnin' my heart into stone;
I need you so bad,
Magic Woman I can't leave you alone."

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