Much depends on what animal you turn into. If you're playing the type of Were-Form that just changes into a real-life animal that can soak up a lot of punishment, I think it'd make sense to just have the catch be anything above a certain weapon rating. I think I'd also add some restrictions, such as no Toughness powers unless your animal has Hulking Size or really thick scales or the like. Now if your wereform is, say, a White Wolf style garou, then you'd take the toughness power and give it some kind of magical catch.

I thought I'd bump this thread back up since I noticed someone just made a new one asking questions about this power. A new Hulking Size question has come up with me and my players as well, and I thought I'd put it to all of you. Say you have an American Alligator who is at the top of the recorded size spectrum for those animals. He's over fifteen feet long and weighs upwards of one thousand pounds. I say that anything that huge and heavy has to at least be a candidate for Hulking Size, even if it's at the small end of the spectrum. My player maintains that because gators are low-slung and short, some of the trappings of the power would not apply. What do you all think?

Fists can also be a very viable build if you take the right stunts. They do take a bit more refresh/Aspect juggling to get right, but I played a character who was keeping right up with his gunslinger partner in our Dresden game, hitting for seven to nine shifts of damage every time he swung a punch. It's true that armor or range can render a Fists monster useless, but that's why you have the other characters And besides, there's nothing like rolling and your GM telling you, "You feel something give way under your fist and his head snaps around with a sickening crack." Unless it's doing it three times in a row 
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I recently sat down with my gaming group and talked about running a game for the first time, to give our long-suffering and very good GM a break and let him play. I'm in the process of coming up with the NPCs and characters that will inhabit the city we're going to build, and I wanted to ask for some tips on GM characters from those with more experience. How far is too far with a GM character? The city we're setting up (New Orleans) is going to have a very old, very powerful voodoo practitioner who has amassed a level of power on par with a Senior Council member over the years. He'll be a shadowy figure who's never spoken of or seen but controls everything in the city through a web of contacts and underlings both mundane and supernatural. My question is, how much do I use such powerful NPCs and GM characters before it starts to take away from the players and becomes railroading? And what is the best way to avoid making situations where it takes a Deus Ex Machina with a powerful allied GMPC to save them?

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You are overstating the threat level a bit. Grenades are weapon 4. This means somebody with supernatural toughness could easily take 10 average shots before going down or 6 really well aimed shots from a grenade launcher. A lot better than the dozen shots to the face needed from a handgun.

True to a point. It depends on what creature you're facing and what the gun rules for the full-auto grenade launcher would be. Something that pretty much every single person on this board forgets when weapons like this are mentioned (see the Heavy Weapons thread and the discussion about the GAU-8) is that these things are fully automatic. As in, firing several projectiles per second fully automatic. If you were going up against a Black Court Master, sure, it wouldn't do you a damn bit of good. But if, say, you were going up against a few werewolves, one or two RCVs, a couple of smaller fae. . . then it would put you on a much more even footing.

Now, it can be argued that something like that isn't necessary when you could just use a .45 with iron/silver/insert catch here bullets. That's absolutely true, but it's not the only option. Nor is making a new stunt to make said gun more powerful. I just wanted to point out that there are other ways to make himself even with the bad guys, if pistolero wasn't his style.

One final note. . . what the hell kind of campaign would have beginners (even Submerged beginners) going up against the likes of a sidhe troll or black court master? A bit of an edge is more than sufficient for the beginning of a game, when (Unless you have one INTERESTING story) you'll be fighting things that are just a bit more than human.

Another way of differentiating gun 'styles' would be to look at the weapon of choice and the range of choice. Does your character prefer to sit back a hundred yards with an elephant gun or be right in the fray? If he's right in the fray, does he use a big machine gun to spray bullets everywhere? Or does he zip around with a pistol, getting precise headshots left and right? Things like that will define the gun 'style' best of all.

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Wow. You'd have to have Hulking Size for those things to be concealable. They're wider and heavier than most rifles of that length.

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Oh damn, you're so right! *Laughs* That's perfect. This, then, is the new template.

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Human Giant

Musts: Must have a High Concept and background that reflects your ridiculous size and strength.

[-2] Inhuman Strength.
[-4] Supernatural Toughness
[-2] Inhuman Recovery
[+3] Catch: Head Wounds

Total Refresh: 5

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So what we have, then, is a massive, powerful person with legendary levels of strength who is nearly immune to damage from blunt or stabbing weapons. Sounds about right for Fezzik or Goliath, and it's playable in a Feet Wet game, just barely.

I did have a thought, however. Another possible Catch to the toughness powers might be something along the lines of Strangulation. That one would probably be a +1 or +2, but it's another option if you want to be more powerful, are in a Waist High or higher game, and have a nice GM. Thoughts?

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