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KG's George concepts are especially thought provoking.  The main place where they break down for me is that one of "Edna's" 6 faces she uses to interface with Harry happens to be his apprentice of several years.  However, I must say that it holds together pretty much as well as my vaunted "GUCMT"

For me, it works best because I feel as though the Mothers are indeed putting on a face when they interact with Harry in order for him to best understand with his limited perceptions what they are.

I'm not 100% sure I understand why the bolded portion gives you pause, but I'll try to clarify some more and you can let me know if I'm coming at it from the wrong angle.

Edna is the whole being, but in Harry's reality she manifests as 6 Queens to interact with mortals that help her do her Job.  What Harry knows as the Queens is only a small portion of the true Edna.  Think of Edna as the full entity/body.  The Queens together might just be a hand (this is kind of a different way of describing Griff's Tree metaphor).  In Harry's reality, a couple of Edna's fingers got infected, so the lopped them off to keep the entire hand from getting infected.  However, Edna has sufficient power to "regenerate" her amputated fingers.  This is obviously a metaphor for killing off the Nemesis-infected Queens and replacing them with new ones. 

At first blush it seems a little too convenient to say Edna is so powerful she can just grow new digits, and that's why new Queens are made.  But, if you think about it from the immutability standpoint, Edna /must/ have a full compliment of fingers because she, as the full being, cannot change.  The only thing that can change is how Harry perceives her.  However, in Harry's reality, he (and everyone in the know) perceives it as a law of nature that there are 6 Queens, so it /must/ be so that when one Queen dies another takes her place.  Until some event takes place in Harry's reality that makes people start to believe the laws of nature/magic are changing such that there may no longer /have/ to be 6 Queens, there will always be 6 Queens.  Over time the perception in Harry's reality might change, and Edna will manifest in that reality differently based on how mortal perception shifts.  However, the full being that is Edna will not change.

So if there /must/ be 6 Queens in Harry's reality, then there /must/ be a mechanism to change who the Queens are, if needed.  The Mantles are this mechanism.  While I agree that it's pretty damned inconvenient for Molly to have received the Winter Lady Mantle, she made choices with her own Free Will that led to the circumstance.  She wasn't fully drafted into the war against her will, but she didn't fully volunteer to serve, either.  It's a weird grey area, but she made sufficient choices to open herself up to becoming a part of this interface system, and now she's got to deal with it.  She's still Molly, to a degree, but the Mantle is also changing her some.  She literally can't tell Harry when he asks about her new job, but she can use a cell phone.  However, we have evidence that she will always retain a portion of her Free Will, because Maeve was slacking off on her job for 150 years.  Unless we assume Maeve was infected for that length of time, we can deduce that she exercised Free Will in deciding not to do her job.  This is similar to the way Mab can make Harry do some things, but she cannot make him /choose/ to do them.  Free Will still exists in the being, but it might be a little more constrained by the Mantle.

I don't know if that addressed the issue that was bothering you or not, but I'm enjoying the conversation.  Let me know if I got your concern all wrong and I'll regroup.  :)

And please, no jokes about Edna's malformed, six-fingered hand!  She's really quite sensitive about it.  :P

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Serack, this is an interesting theory that you have clearly thought about a lot and worked hard to develop.  It's spawned some thoughts I wanted to share, but I haven't spent a lot of time ordering them in a way that I can specifically apply them in parallel to the work you've done, so I'll just drop them as discrete points that might help further the conversation, for now.

George is George, no matter what name you call him.
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George isn't a flakey kind of guy.
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Pruning the Cosmic Forest
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This is all very fascinating.  I have to admit, it made me do a lot of thinking about DF concepts I haven't really considered before.  :)

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