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DF Spoilers / Re: Will and Georgia’s child
« on: Today at 02:49:11 AM »
Why would the kid be conceived in Demonreach?
Also, I don't remember if he is a boy or a girl.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: Today at 02:41:19 AM »
I remember clearly like many years ago there was a WoJ that said that sex was needed for achieving the Protection because something something related with the potential of creating life. Then, later, someone asked him if that meant homosexual couples could not be protected, so Jim backpedaled, mentioned that Protection is not an exact science, that it could be achieved by not penetrative sex and things like that. So, he mostly forgot about the creating life thing.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Maggie's Name
« on: Today at 02:21:14 AM »
I agree about legal name and True Name being a different thing. I...will actually send you a PM about this.
But I am interested in Maggie's name anyways. I don't know her legal or TRUE name.

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Yes, I agree.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 16, 2026, 05:00:56 PM »
I think the true love protection is not removed by not loving one self, but is put in a non-functional state. Perhaps especially in this case where Harry does not feel he is worthy of Murphs love, because he feels responsible for her death. So if the kiss is not enough to loose it, perhaps it is back by the end of 12 months, now that he can love himself and feel worthy of love.

When Susan becomes infected at the end of grave peril, book 3, it is not untill blood rites, book 6, that we know he is protected by true love. There is no way to know if he was protected when he was at his lowest in the year following grave peril.

Regarding Mabs comment about it happening twice. I would have to listen to it again, but I think it referred to how it was the second time that felt responsible for the death of his love (third time if we count Lash, and for a long time je also thought he killed Elaine). That problably has an effect on whether or not one feels worthy of being loved.

Regarding the rarity of true love protection. As far as I remember the only place the rarity of it is mentioned is Thomas saying something along the lines of "it is rarer than you think" when him and Harry first talks about it. I think that also has something to do with the humans the white court interacts with. If they targeted normal couples living like the Carpenters they would problably encounter it more often, but they target young people at night clubs and powerfull people.
This is a very clever approach. I actually hope someone makes this known to Jim, just in case he has not thought of this  :)

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 14, 2026, 05:43:19 PM »
Yes, you are right Mira. It is clear that True Love does not protect from nemfection, or that previously nemfected people cannot feel True Love and be protected by it. About the burning, I think true Love killed the hunger in the unexperienced vampire, no matter if they killed the first feed or not. Only, it is very difficult for that vampire not to kill, as he has not experience in control.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 12, 2026, 10:02:18 PM »
I'll be surprised if we get any explanation that's satisfying.  Well, beyond a long internal monologue by Dresden that rests on a foundation built on a reading of 'All You Need is Love.'  I'm not expecting the readers will get anything close to an explanation of how the universe Butcher has built all works and comes together logically (even one that's at the descriptive/predictive/Newton level and not at the fundamental/'why does it work that way' level). 

After Twelve Months, I have a creeping feeling that the conclusion of the Dresden Files will reveal that the entire series was 'True Love Conquers the Outsiders.'  If that's all there is, then let's just keep reading and hope for a rollicking, enjoyable remainder for this yarn even if at the end we're left with a lot of Lost-esque unresolved loose threads.
I am ok with True Love Conquers the Outsiders but I hope the unresolved loose threads are not "a lot".

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 12, 2026, 05:43:53 PM »
No, I meant mind-wiped into not remembering that he had sex with someone else.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 11, 2026, 06:23:04 PM »
Yes, I considered Harry could have been mind-wiped.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 11, 2026, 09:31:42 AM »
I need to reread 12months yet. Was Lara afraid of burning in 12M? If she isn't , we can safely say that True Love is broken by death of the person you loved. If Lara was still worried about burning, even after Murphy's death, then we know death alone cannot destroy True Love.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 10, 2026, 07:28:24 PM »
I would agree, but Harry burnt Lara in PT/BG.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 09, 2026, 07:05:07 PM »
But that is what I meant. It has been clearly established but in order to have True Love protection you need to be very, very, very in love with someone who loves you in return AND have sex with that person. That is when you got the Protection achievement. Then, if you have sex with someone else, willingly or not, that is broken. I imagine if you just stopped loving someone or get in love with someone else, that breaks the protection too.
That is why is so difficult to explain what happened to Harry's protection, he was protected in BG. Then he is not. Murphy died, but that is never given as an explanation for the protection breaking, and Harry clearly did not sex with everyone unless he did it and forgot (not the first time it would happen in the show) or stopped loving Murphy. That is why Mab explained the thing about Harry not feeling worthy and being guilty and all that. And...that is what many of us don't like.

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 09, 2026, 03:05:59 PM »
But only sex with the loved one can seal True Love, right?

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DF Spoilers / Re: True Love's Protection
« on: February 09, 2026, 03:38:15 AM »
As I said before, there are many, many instances of TRUE LOVE to be such a rare, super special thing.
Harry-Susan
Harry-Murphy
Thomas-Justine
Inari-boyfriend (I don't remember the name)
Avernite mentioned werewolfy, I don't remember. Will and Georgia?
Also, given their sons, I bet Maggie-Malcolm had True Love too (That is headcanon, not proven in the books, but come on, you know I am right).

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In the aftermath of PT and BG, a lot of Carlos hate was thrown around on this site and others, Carlos is blind, dump, should trust Harry etc, etc. In the post 12 Months discussion there is little being said about Carlos and Harry interactions ,and Eb and Harry's interactions.
What do you mean? I saw a lot of discussion about how Carlos and Harry suddenly seem chummy again.
I don't know. I think Carlos  had time to think and realize he was in the wrong. I am glad for that and I welcome him, but for now I won't apologize.

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