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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry sitting in a tree.......?
« on: May 05, 2022, 07:53:19 PM »
It is true.. Page 373 White Night, Harry and Lara kiss..

Then on the next page 373 White Night;

I think there's been some misunderstanding on your part or a miscommunication on mine.

First off, I have to ask: I have read White Night and am aware of all that you have quoted; have you read Something Borrowed? As I stated, my argument hinges on the events of that story.

Secondly, I want to reiterate that I am not denying that Lara cannot touch Harry while he is under the true love protection. I am of course aware that Lara is allergic to true love, and that Harry currently has that protection from Murphy.

So I am not arguing for Lara to be immune to the true love protection, I am providing an alternative (and speculative) way that the true love protection can be overcome apart from him hooking up with someone else, ie., through a wedding. Again the point is that the true love protection will end, not that Lara will be somehow immune to true love.

So pointing out that Lara was burnt by Harry's true love protection doesn't really address my point since I never denied that she was weak to true love.

I hope that was clear this time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry sitting in a tree.......?
« on: May 05, 2022, 07:44:48 PM »
If they have true love they can't have sex for procreation.  It's an explicit contradiction. For a male it would be like making love to a toaster. What Butcher writes but doesn't state explicitly is for the human to have the protection the human must be monogamous to the person loved.  But if they are monogamous the human is like a hot element in a toaster, but if that isn't true, then they don't have true love. In practical terms you have a couple where the women is monogamous and the man is running around.  A White could eat the husband but not the wife.  I don't write this stuff I just try to understand what Butcher is selling.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. I see what you mean now. Though Thomas and Justine's relationship and the resultant pregnancy seems to serve as a counterexample, doesn't it? More speculatively, there is also the marriage loophole I advocated.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry sitting in a tree.......?
« on: May 05, 2022, 05:40:14 PM »
But only if he has had sex with someone else since she died.    So would Murphy being dead make a difference? If not Lara cannot touch him till he hooks up with someone else.
I don't think that's true. Again, Bob's words were that marrying Jenny Greenteeth would annul Will's love protection even though Will was presumably completely faithful to Georgia and had no other sexual encounters. By the same logic, Harry being 'faithful' to Murphy should not prevent the wedding from annulling his true love protection. At least if the analogy is valid.

So would Murphy being dead make a difference? If not Lara cannot touch him till he hooks up with someone else.

Well, my logic is that Lara would not be able to touch him until after the wedding vows precisely because of the reasoning you present. But after the wedding vows, Harry's true love protection would be negated.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry sitting in a tree.......?
« on: May 05, 2022, 05:36:18 PM »
First, no vampire child could have ever been a product of true love.  Think about it.

How so?

Second question I get that the Big Foot's boy can feed his vampire lover because of his reserves but how does she keep from getting burned if they have true love between them?

This is an interesting question with no definitive answer. Connie and Irwin are highly atypical in a few ways:

  • Irwin is a half-human scion, hence his huge reserves. It is possible his (partial) non-human nature annuls or mitigates Connie's true love allergy
  • Connie never killed during her first feeding. Usually to complete their transition, a Whamp's first feeding must be fatal. But Irwin never died. So it is possible that Connie's Hunger isn't 'fully developed' and is thus less vulnerable to true love.
  • Connie and Irwin appeared to be in love before their first sexual encounter. Usually that would kill the Hunger. But again, the act was never completed. It's possible this partial experience with true love 'inoculated' Connie's demon, so to speak, making it more immune to true love.

Or maybe they just don't actually love each other.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry sitting in a tree.......?
« on: May 05, 2022, 05:02:44 PM »
Another solution is hinted at in the short story, Something Borrowed. In that story, Bob says that Will marrying Jenny Greenteeth (disguised as Georgia) annuls Will's true love protection (and allow Jenny to enslave him). In his words:

“I mean, if he’s married to another, it can’t really be pure love. Jenny’s claim on him would prevent the kiss from lifting the spell.”

One could argue, based on this, that Harry marrying Lara would similarly annul his protection from Murphy. And conveniently, there's a wedding coming up. Now Jenny is a Sidhe not a Vamp, so it might not be valid to analogise these scenarios. But it is definitely suggestive.


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DF Spoilers / Harry's possible Denarian form?
« on: April 10, 2022, 02:11:27 PM »
So, according to multiple comments by Jim, Harry had 3 choices or 'paths' in Changes: become Mab's Winter Knight, perform the Darkhallow or pick up Lasciel's coin.

Obviously in our timeline Harry became the WK but it got me thinking: if Harry had picked up Lasciel’s Coin in Changes, what would his Battle Form be like?

The obvious answer is like Hannah’s Battle Form. But, at least for me, that’s kinda… weird. I have a hard time picturing Harry transforming into something like that. But it probably would still be something at least somewhat alluring given that Jim has described the ‘Denarian path’ as being James Bond - lite.

So if not Hannah’s Battle Form, what would his form look like? What are your headcanons on this?

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