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Let me give you some back ground to this question. I have a very eclectic taste in books. In no particular order my top five is Watership down, K is for killer, Pride and prejudice, 1984 and one for the money. For the longest time Butcher and Evanovich were my top authors. Until her last book. I was so mad at her choice of husband ( straight married white guy that likes rom coms here ) that I may never read another of her books EVER AGAIN. Which got me to thinking. What would have to happen for mus to not read another Butcher book? Thoughts?

Already kind of happened: Murphy's death and the treatment of her and Thomas', and just the whole Peace Talks/Battle Ground trying so hard to replicate MCU's End Game vibes. That, already killed 95% of my interest in the series. I'm going to stick around for Twelve Months, with that 5% of hope, but if I see any hint of Harry/Lara actually becoming a real thing, or Malcolm Dresden not being "just a very good man", I'm out, probably.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Favourite Head Canons?
« on: October 04, 2024, 04:27:16 AM »
Karrin's middle name is Rose.
Karrin made a deal with Odin "for the chance to stay in the fight" during the time Harry was gone.
Karrin never tried to have a relationship with Maggie while Harry was gone because she was afraid to draw attention to the kid.
Kincaid actually did have romantic feelings for Karrin.
Collin Murphy crossed paths with Margaret LeFay at some point.
There's a feud between Mab and Frigg, that's why we have not seen Frigg yet in the series.
Charity and Karrin get together for coffee from time to time.
Thomas prints out memes and mails them to Harry.

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Yes, but if the books continue to reflect real time, and Jim is averaging one every three to five years, Harry would be 43 to 45 the next book, still considered quite young by wizard standards, but menopausal 48 year old Murphy is in middle age, and the next one would put her over 50, by the time of the BAT she would have been on Social Security had she lived, while Harry was just reaching his prime.  What makes me sad is how she died, better she had died from her hand to hand with Nic than a bullet through the neck from a panicked cop.

The books have not been reflecting real time in a while. There's just 5 months between Skin Game and Peace Talks, hours between Peace Talks and Battle Ground. And we already know that the next book will cover the year of his engagement to Lara, which puts the start and finish of it within one year right after Battle Ground. There won't be a leap in years to the next book that would reflect our real time or publication time, nor do we know what Jim will continue to do in that regard in the future, yet.

I'm not arguing over what's prime age or whatever, just pointing out what the facts are regarding the ages of the characters in-universe. Not interested in making assumptions here.

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if the timeline is right and at the time of her death, Murphy was in her mid-fifties

The official timeline puts Harry as being born 26 years before Storm Front (which happens in March, we know his birthday is in October), and Murphy as being born 29 years before Storm Front (we don't know when her birthday is). That makes Murphy around 3 years and maybe a few months older than Harry is.

BG takes place 14 years after Storm Front, so, Karrin was in her early 40s in Battle Ground, she was 43 if she had a birthday before July.

And just for reference: Harry is turning 40 that October after Battle Ground, Thomas and Butters are 45-46, and Michael is somewhere between 57-60.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months stuck?
« on: June 01, 2024, 02:18:11 AM »
According to a fan who attended Comicpalooza this past weekend, Jim said he's planning to turn the book to the editors by July 1st.

In theory, that could give us a release by the end of the year.

I don't trust him to keep that schedule, personally, but let's hope.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: April 10, 2024, 01:48:23 PM »
I think Harry and Lara do marry ...do the wild thing honeymoon...and Lara conceives...just a afterthought twist... besides Maggie needs to be a big sister. 😳😜👍

I think it's unlikely, that's what Thomas' baby will be used for. That'll be the tension between them. If they get married, which is probable, IMO (just so Murph can return and get that funny surprise, lol).

Maggie already is a big sister (sorta). And I hope Jim at least starts writing both Maggie and Bonnie is a way that makes sense before throwing another character with no personality into the story.

Besides, Harry wouldn't want another child, and certainly not like this. I don't think it matters if Mab demands it, he'll find a way around it, it's just too much to ask from him at this point.

Personally, I still doubt anything physical could happen with Lara, there's still the protection from Murphy, and while it's not clear how it works now that she's dead or the influence the wedding could have on it, it just seems kind of silly to establish the protection in one book, just when Harry is going to need it the most being in the White Court, for it to just be swept away by a wedding vow that is going to be, probably, very carefully worded by lawyers, not by feelings/intentions.

I don't think there will be another child. Not with Lara. I kind of hope, he won't marry her, but I admit, if he does, it would definitely make his life even more interesting.
I kind of hope that Murphy will upgrade in Valhalla and come back as a valkyrie during the next 2 or 3 books after 12 Months. Because of how he always saw her with his Sight.

I think there's a fair chance for that. 1. If we're to believe the insinuation that Gard makes in Aftermath, Valkyrie is a state/position that can be obtained, and we all know how Murphy is, she climbed up the ladder pretty fast in her old job, she would at least try to do it in the afterlife as well, if it's remotely possible. 2. Harry is slowly being surrounded by weapons/attributes/allies that he will need for whatever final battle he has to fight, it wouldn't surprise me that what happened to Murph was a strategic play to put her (even if only to play with the myth of it) in place to be the Valkyrie that favors him and accompany him to victory.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How Murphy could return to the Dresden Files
« on: March 01, 2024, 06:24:54 PM »
That did backfire on her with the swords, however, since she had been "contaminated" in her faith by hanging out with Odin's people and therefor she did waver in her convictions. Or that's how I interpreted it, I could be quite off here.

That's an interesting take, I personally don't agree about her being "contaminated" in her faith, actually she shows multiple times to try to still hold some faith in her god, she even crosses herself in Battle Ground, something which most Catholics don't just do because, it's a testament of where your faith lies. I honestly think that she just made a mistake, she was scared for Harry, she was angry, that's all that happened. And it was ultimately to serve another purpose, for the right person to have the sword, Butters. (which is not who I'd pick but *shrug*). But it all served a purpose.

And it probably extends to Battle Ground, she had to touch bottom by the time of her death, because obviously she had to die in Battle Ground, I think the fact that Sanya and Butters just happened to arrive that night at Macs, where she was, stay and get "convinced" to take her to Harry that night, is testament enough that the White God, was involved in her death. The knights are always where they are supposed to be.

Let's face it. Murphy is going to return as a Valkyrie.

But, Murphy doesn't fit the physical model of a Valkyrie, you say. We don't know for certain how Valkyries are created in the Dresdenverse.

One-eye has Soulfire. It makes things real. It's how he rejoins the Einherjar's spirits to their bodies. (WOJ, Dresden Files podcast, December, 2020) Soulfire makes things real.

So, Odin makes a Valkyrie statuesque body from clay (plenty of examples from various myths), uses Soulfire to make it real, then uses Soulfire again to fuse Murphy's soul with the new body. Bob's your spirit in a skull, new Valkyrie.

This would also give Jim fertile ground to give a couple of appearances of the "new character" that we could go back after the reveal and say "Oh, Jim. You absolute bastard! You were torturing Murphy and Harry didn't know!"

Which is the most Jim-catnip thing, ever. And that's why he will do it.

Oh, that's just so cruel, it's a great idea. But personally, I like cute, blonde, 5 feet nothing Murph with her pert little nose, though.

But also, Odin took her body. She's not buried underground, her corpse is not rotting, they actually took her body, which tells me that it is needed for whatever is going to happen next to her. So, I doubt Odin has to make her a new body. My guess is that maybe she'll just need some physical therapy, like Harry after Demonreach and the failed suicide. I still do think that Battle Ground is Murphy's version of Changes. She's been following a similar path to Harry's.

Oh, and about the body type, well Gard in Aftermath, when she tells Murph that her boss (Vadderung) might be interested in talking to her, she says "you've even got the hair for it", which means that she has more that one requirement down, the physical aspect of it being the least important one. And most importantly, I think it means means that Valkyries can be "made".

I think maybe it's something that can be offered, maybe it's something that can be obtained. I can imagine that it would make sense that Murph was taken as an Einherjar, but is later offered the opportunity to become a Valkyrie. Of course, there's some challenge, ritual, something that she has to pass, and Murph being Murph of course would take on the challenge, because that woman is not going to wait for eternity to join the fight again, we know her. (also WOJ is that she'd want to survert the rules). We also know that she will want to prove herself. That's how she built up her whole life. It fits her.

Note that the Dr's typically like to leave a cast on broken bones beyond the point that the bones are healed-enough for light-use.

The point of the break will still be very tender (and much more susceptible to being re-broken!) but you can use the limb for most ordinary things.

I was presuming that was the stage Murphy was at, when she took off her own cast.

It is mentioned in Peace Talks that she only had four more days left in the casts when she took them off, so yeah, she was mostly healed, there was nothing miraculous about her taking off the casts when she did and being able to move.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: March 01, 2024, 06:01:35 PM »
IIRC, that's specifically a Faerie/contractual thing (a marriage being (from the Fae POV) a very contractual affair (oaths &c:  "to have and to hold, forsaking all others, from this day forward, 'til death do us part...")).  I'd need to go back and read the story to be sure whether Harry was actually that specific in the exposition.

I doubt the Whampire Hunger is affected by the ceremony either way; I certainly wouldn't expect a loveless political marriage to convey any protections, so I don't see why a political marriage would end them.

I think the stuff from Something Borrowed and the Connie and the Big Foot story do a lot to murky the waters here, I've seen a lot of speculation about how that could affect the True Love protection from Whamps. But it's all that, really, speculation, there's no definitive answers yet.

Something that always seemed important to me, though, in Something Borrowed, is that Will was going to make vows thinking he was marrying Georgia. Regardless the bride not being the real Georgia, Will would have been earnest and honest in his promises. So, maybe, that plays a part in the whole thing.

And thinking about that, I honestly doubt Harry would make those kind of vows to Lara, and I know some people would say "but the word of a wizards matters because of his power", yeah, but that's if he swears on his powers, right? which I doubt will be the case here.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see, but I sure hope to have a more definitive answer on how the True Love protection works in the Dresdenverse soon.

It'd still be just way too tragic, and kind of pointless, to have Harry adquire the physical protection of True Love with Murphy only to lose it one year later. Unless the point is to torture Harry, because how morally devastating that would be, to lose the only thing left from her to Lara of all beings. But that also sounds like how JB is thinking lately, so *shrug*

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: February 22, 2024, 08:42:36 PM »
So we don't know for sure if Lara still gets burned by his touch. It could be that the protection is gone because Karrin died. And she did die. Valhalla is the afterlife.

That is true, the protection has not been tested after Karrin's death yet. I imagine that is going to be one of the first things that we learn about in Twelve Months.

However, there might some reason to believe that her being dead doesn't really matter. It didn't matter what Susan was doing after she and Harry got separated, it didn't matter what Thomas was doing either for Justine to keep the protection, it only ever mattered what Harry and Justine did themselves to get the protection removed from themselves (sleeping with Luccio and other women, respectively).

I don't think it's 100% clear how the protection works really. I mean, in one book Thomas says Lara has a burn mark from a wedding ring, in Peace Talks it seems like it was only a mild burn what she got from Harry, but also true love is about supposed to be super rare, but Harry gets it twice in his short life (imo, it was ridiculous that he got it from Susan, but ymmv), then you have to add up some of the stuff that's been said in Something Borrowed about true love as well. It's all a bit inconsistent imo. Personally, I wonder how much of all of that is about conscious decisions. But anyway, ymmv about the philosophical concepts of what is love and all of that. I imagine that the next book will bring some clarification over this part of the lore.

One thing that JB has said though, that so far seems consistent through the books, is that the true love protection thing only happens between consenting adults, who mutually love each other and have shared the physicality of it, it doesn't take hold if you don't act on it.

IMO, it seems like a "mark" that is placed on you, that would stay until it gets removed by an act of rejection of it, ie sleeping with another person (because apparently not even time erases it, if we believe White Night).

But yeah, we don't know how death of one of the people involved affects it, my guess though, would be that it doesn't. Harry is still alive, he was already "marked" by true love, he would stay that way until he "rejects it" by being sexual with someone else.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: February 22, 2024, 03:52:35 PM »
And his feelings for Murphy haven changed, even though she is dead.  He is still grieving and hasn't moved on, and until he hooks up with another woman, he will be protected... Or rather any real marital consummation between him and Lara is impossible.  Mab knows this, so what is she really up to?

Yeah, and until the next book comes out and we see the rest of the story, all we do know is that even by Xmas time (which is several months after BG) Harry still grieves Murph.

My theory about the whole wedding situation is that is, like all of Mab's plans, a multi-purpose thing. I think in part it is about making powerful allies, in part is about isolating Harry or changing his focus, maybe about him making other types of allies, in part is about Molly and making her lose all hope of romance bewteen her and Harry, and it might also be about Mab needing something from the Raith's library that by Harry being close he could get for her, or even for himself, there's probably stuff that belonged to Margaret in there. But I really doubt is because there's a need for an "heir" or something as simple as that.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: February 22, 2024, 02:40:49 AM »
Thank you, I'll check that out ...
 :o

as soon as I figure out where my walkabout copy of PT has gotten to...   >:(

No worries, I got you:

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...Lara was standing next to me, her bare shoulder against my elbow. My elbow approved, ecstatically—but Lara jumped and let out a little truncated sound of discomfort.
She glanced down at her shoulder, where a patch the shape, I guess, of the end of my elbow was turning red, as though she’d brushed it against a hot pan.
Vampires of the White Court had a severe allergy to sincere love, the way the Black Court doesn’t like sunbathing. Skin-to-skin contact with people who love and who are loved in return is hardest of all on the White Court.
Which meant that …
Oh.
Well. I hadn’t been thinking about having that aura of protection around me when Karrin and I got busy, but it was nice to have it.
And it was nice to know it was real. Very nice.
“Ouch,” Lara said, her tone annoyed. Then she glanced up at me and her expression became suddenly pleased. “Oh. You and the policewoman? Congratulations, wizard.”
Chapter 25 - Peace Talks


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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara and Harry
« on: February 22, 2024, 12:46:39 AM »
We don't know if Harry's relationship with Murphy would have protected him, or if it hadn't gotten deep enough / serious enough.

Actually we do know Harry is protected by the True Love™ that he shared with Murphy.

Lara gets burned by Harry in Peace Talks, not in the scene you mentioned, the one at the dojo, though it should be said that in that scene there's no mention of them making skin to skin contact (so while he already had sexual relationships with Murph at that point, the protection isn't tested yet), but in the scene where Lara and Harry are getting ready to rescue Thomas in the castle, they do touch and she burns. Harry makes explicit mention of it, check out Chapter 25 of Peace Talks.

And at the end of Battle Ground, when Lara and Harry shake hands over their deal, the only reason they can is because Lara is wearing gloves.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Dabble Interview 23 August 2023
« on: November 08, 2023, 11:30:43 PM »
Many of us (including me) vastly prefer to read, than be read-to.

Spending $5 on a single short already looks like an expensive way to get our Dresden fix... further reducing the value by making it an audio-only format is ... well... it's insult to injury, honestly.

It's not audio-only, it's a on book (text) format on kindle, audio on audible.

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DF Spoilers / Re: New York Comic Con video
« on: October 24, 2023, 02:14:24 AM »
yea nothing good will come from that one lol. My first thought is of the overarching order of Dresden changing... Wouldn't Marcone make an excellent Adversary?
Off topic slightly, but where was Murphy actually shot?🤔 I forget wound placement..

He would, he definitely would. And Dresden already has a lot of problems with Marcone. What he saw in the soulgaze, really disturbed Harry in some really primal level, I think. He's visceral about his hate for Marcone.

Murphy was shot in the neck. Which is, I dunno if on purpose, or Jim being Jim, or what, but, personally, I can't not think about the fact that Susan basically dies the same way, wound to the neck, bleeding to death, in front of Harry.

Heh, the eye patch thing redoubles an old idea for me that karrin is in fact one of the main archetypical characters(starborn?), the eye patch, of course she'd lose an eye on the path to wisdom!

I meant to ask you about this before, but then I forgot as I was doing the transcript. I was just hoping you would elaborate on this? What's your idea here? I'm interesting to hear about that.

I always view Battle Ground as being her Changes, you know, the pivotal moment for her transformation, the same Changes was for Harry. Because I think, in some respects, they follow similar paths.

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DF Spoilers / Re: New York Comic Con video
« on: October 23, 2023, 11:59:50 PM »
ah see, yea. I wouldn't have really considered it to be shapeshifting, but coming from the author.. Jim tends to say things that we don't actually have the full context to but can be very good for guesswork and theorizing at what the context we're missing is. He's gotten better at it over the years actually. Last couple years of his he's been dropping subtle but very telling lines in his replies.

What I didn't remember but found interesting now that I've listened to the answer again, is that he also mentions Marcone in this, and how they could work together. Like you say, food for theories...

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