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DF Spoilers / Re: [PT Spoilers] Why does Ferrovax care?
« on: August 03, 2020, 04:07:09 AM »
But wouldn't that apply to signing on to the Accords in the first place? I think they're very new on Ferro's timescale.

If he is (and Ferrovax might very well be a true Immortal), to me that would be more of an argument Not To Get Involved. Why sign on to Accords that might obligate him to get into fights like this one? Why risk himself for something like this?

I mean, Ferrovax is implicitly geologically old. He's seen many civilizations rise and fall.
Ferro's an elder Dragon, but Siriothrax was his contemporary and he died a few dozen years ago. The same rules should apply to him as they did for the one that Michael slew.  So if Butters thinks Ferro has it coming, and the Sword agrees...

In short, if he's immortal, and Uber powerful, then there's no reason for him to want things to change, because there's nothing to gain, and everything to lose.  It's pretty common to see those that gain power settle down and try to hold on to it through peace.

It's those that don't have power, or lost power, that are more likely to want to see the world burn.  Them and Harry.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Will Harry Have to Come Clean?
« on: August 02, 2020, 01:44:54 AM »
I'm not sure what secrets he has left. All the higher powers know everything. And if the Council votes him out, he won't have to tell them anything.  If they don't, then what's the Senior Council going to do?

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DF Spoilers / Re: [PT Spoilers] Why Wait?
« on: August 01, 2020, 07:27:46 PM »
I definitely expect to see Sue, but I doubt even Mab will have planned for that. :)

I'd love to see what happens if Harry uses soulfire to stabilize Sue -- I'm thinking he might get a permanent T-rex mount. I'm suddenly wondering how deep Lake Michigan gets between Chicago and Demonreach...
Harry blows a horn at the shores of the lake for every Wild Hunt...

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DF Spoilers / Re: [PT Spoilers] Why Wait?
« on: August 01, 2020, 04:31:15 PM »
She thinks she waited for everyone to be weakened and softened up for her attack.  Meanwhile, the Outsiders are using her to weaken and soften up everyone for their attack.

It's a vicious cycle.

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DF Spoilers / Re: [PT Spoilers] Why does Ferrovax care?
« on: August 01, 2020, 03:20:17 PM »
Because he's old and old people don't like change.

He's content with the way things are, and doesn't need things getting hectic.  Because despite the fact that he's old and powerful, he *is* capable of dying.

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DF Books / Re: Thoughts on Harry's jewelry
« on: August 01, 2020, 03:14:09 PM »
A while back there were a lot of theories on possible shield bracelet designs. I'm not sure if they're still around, but they'd be in the Spoilers section, as they contained bits up through Skin Game at the time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara's First Favor [PT Spoilers]
« on: July 31, 2020, 04:04:01 AM »
Squaring Thomas with Winter?

He owed Cat Sith for an offense in Cold Days. With Sith dead or on the outs with the Court, and having been on the job for Mab at the time, then the debt might have passed to her. 

And Lara wouldn't want Thomas on Mab's bad side if he was going to be put on trial under her accords.

(Or as others have speculated, his debt to Sith for a guest law offense was claimed to make a guest law offense against Etri. But I'm not a fan of that one.)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Where did the Snarky Wiseassery Go?
« on: July 30, 2020, 04:14:08 PM »
I doubt losing people in the second half of the story is going to help.  He was flat out depressed in PT, and he broke down in tears at a traffic light.  I think between his previous trauma, losing friends, friends dying, and a growing sense of isolation, it's only going to get worse.

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DF Spoilers / Re: CRACK Theory. Winter Knight and Holy Knight.
« on: July 30, 2020, 04:12:10 PM »
I remember when they were called WAGs.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror Next?
« on: July 30, 2020, 04:34:00 AM »
Power is out all across the city.  My guess is that cameras will be out of commission.  So it's going to be a very dark night with explosions and screams and people sheltering inside.  And come the morning, there will be no trace of any of the participants.  Just damage and victims and rumors with very little evidence.

And by the end of next day, the story on the news will be about the city water supply being tainted with a drug previously known in the streets as ThreeEye, which caused a lot of hallucinations.  The damage will have been caused by those hit with higher doses that rampaged through the city, and by the drug dealers that fanned the flames.

And they'll hope that no-one in the Dresdenverse watched Batman Begins.

Who knows, maybe we'll even get a mention of Larry Fowler blaming Harry. Imagine how that would feel, having saved the city, only to have the citizens think he's involved because he's been stoking the 'supernatural' subculture for years, which encouraged these poor youngsters to try this supposed magical drug.  Just thank goodness the effects wore off so quickly without side effects.

It's not like Chicago in the Dresdenverse isn't ready and willing to accept the lies.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Raith Reservoir [Peace Talks Spoilers]
« on: July 30, 2020, 02:20:28 AM »
The problem is that if this is possible - if a White Court Vampire can feed on energy stored in an inanimate object - then a wizard could just as easily fill up that object with energy drawn from a spell.

Harry uses "life force" energy in his spells too, he can even fuel them with emotions. It's the same energy. So the only way to keep this from happening, IMO, is if the Hunger demon is incapable of feeding on anything except a human or near-human (or at least sentient) being.

Sure, a WCV couldn't fill up the item itself without feeding (unless it was also a spellcaster). But that wouldn't keep Harry from being able to fill up such an item, if it could exist.
I'm not saying they can consume just any spiritual energy. I think they have a method that works for them, and that's what would have to be done to make the energy compatible.  I think we're both in agreement that them being able to consume just any spiritual energy doesn't make sense.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Raith Reservoir [Peace Talks Spoilers]
« on: July 30, 2020, 12:43:07 AM »
Three reasons:

Out-of-universe, it's too easy a fix; the White Court just aren't able to live as "normal people".

In-universe, if this was possible, why didn't Harry build something like this for Thomas when he was fighting his Hunger between BR and TC? Even if Harry didn't know enough about the Hunger's nature, Lara does; why didn't she suggest Harry do thaumaturgy to feed raw magic to Thomas' Hunger in PT?

In-universe, it doesn't really fit the way the feeding is described to work IMO. It's been described as merging auras with the prey. I think it needs an actual coherent aura/spirit of a sentient living being*, not just "X quantity of life-magic energy".

*Maybe a close-enough-to-mortal being ... we've seen it used on part-humans in "Backup" and "Bigfoot on Campus", but never on totally-inhuman things. Kind of doubt it would work on Bob or Kalshazzak or an Outsider.

Not quite. I think what is being consumed is "generic" life force energy - not specifically fear energy or lust energy. But the mode of access to that energy isn't compatible with anything other than a near-human being... an item can't work since the item itself doesn't have a spirit or experience emotion.

Basically, yeah... Thomas' Hunger demon can eat his own life force directly. So the emotions provide access to energy not energy itself.

It's not like a person has separate stores of "lust energy" and "fear energy" and "despair energy" and so on. A person has a certain amount of life force, and there are different ways to access it. (Wizards & other spellcasters can draw on their own life force, sometimes using emotions, sometimes not.)

Someone drained to zero by the White Court dies; they don't become dispassionate or fearless or whatever. And in "Bigfoot on Campus" we see that a being with more life energy than the Hunger Demon can handle can survive a normally-fatal feeding. That pretty much confirms that it's "life force" not specifically "emotion type" energy.
I still think you're misunderstanding the scope of this project.  It's not to replace feeding.  It's not to make feeding obsolete.  In fact, it's still dependent on feeding normally, to stock up the item. 

It's more like an energy bar for the demon to munch on if things get desperate.  It could be used to continue a fight (briefly) that otherwise would be lost due to running out of energy, or to prevent the demon from turning on the host until they can get a regular feeding.

It wouldn't do anything to change the lifestyle of the wamp. It's not an alternative, it's a backup.

As for the energy, we'll just have to disagree on the storagability of the energy the wamp draws and feeds from. 

The wamp would still be drawing out the energy in the usual method themselves.  A little bit would just be directed to the item, which would store it as it is.  Then, if they tapped into it, the energy would come out just like it went in.  Just like other energy storage we've seen.

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DF Spoilers / Re: 666 years and what follows - The Cycle
« on: July 29, 2020, 07:20:23 PM »
That's not that exact. The Romans had to add a variable number of days to their calendar to sync it.

In recorded history, we're talking what, 4-5 cycles? It might be very precise- and lame- 666 years, 6 months, 6 days, in the sixth hour, just no one has caught that yet.
Sure, but you're still talking about a variation of months between alignments, and a collective variation of 3.5 years across all of recorded history (4,820 years or so).

So it's not like it could easily fudge from 23 BC to 0 AD (or even 4-6 BC, as some theorize for timing on TWC's birth year).

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DF Spoilers / Re: 666 years and what follows - The Cycle
« on: July 29, 2020, 04:52:34 PM »
I don't think Eb would have said "once in every six hundred and sixty-six years" if it weren't just that. Why be exact with you know it's wrong?

I think the Starborn alignment happens every 666 years.  Maybe it fluctuates within the year, but not by years.  Months at most, which would allow for the confusion over Elaine.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Gregory Cristos
« on: July 29, 2020, 04:20:17 PM »
Gregorio means watcher? Like to observe, or to spy?

Perhaps calling oneself annointed spy was a retrograde step from Cowly McCowlface.
It does seem like a name chosen to be ironic, as he's the one chosen to watch the council collapse from within.

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