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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Harry going back to his roots a good thing?
« on: April 27, 2022, 10:27:41 AM »
It makes sense psychologically for Harry to try to return to some semblance of his former life after the recent extremely traumatic events.  With all he's lost recently, it's no wonder, and add his impending wedding on top of all that, and well.  He needs stability, he needs a safe place to grieve, he needs the comfort familiarity brings.  And where was he happiest?  Certainly not anywhere from before he set out on his own and settled in Chicago, though McCoy's farm is probably a close second.  Chances are he'll set up a room with a bookcase full of ratty old paperbacks, mismatched rugs on the floor, and a star wars poster on the wall.

"You can't go home again" is a real thing.  Things will be different.  The people living there will be different.  YOU will be different.  Anyone who pretends everything is exactly the same as when they left is just grasping at straws and ignoring the changes wrought by both time and personal experience and perspective.

There is nothing wrong with seeking comfort in the familiar, but it can cause problems when it becomes a crutch.  Should be interesting, as always.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Gods of Pro Wrestling
« on: December 31, 2021, 12:56:07 AM »
I don't know about that...while individual soccer/football players are famous, it is, overall, about which team is the best.  Pro wrestling, on the other hand...

It's all about the personalities, the characters, the spectacle, and especially the heat the wrestlers generate in the crowd.  It's all about the individual.

While I could see some gods being more interested in pure competition, I could see a lot of the more arrogant ones being attracted to the individual focus of pro wrestling.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
« on: March 16, 2020, 12:17:23 AM »
This morning I had a thought provoking post about the concepts of power and responsibility and the dangers of keeping vital information from people who need it, especially when they don't realize they need it, and how Harry has grown over the books from all the secrecy bs in the early books that would have eventually gotten Murphy, Molly, Butters, and all his other (mostly) vanilla friends killed if he had kept it up, but the forum seems to have eaten it.

Also, I'm not giving Kim and Susan a pass on anything.  Both of them made their decisions and had to deal with the consequences.  By the same token, Harry does not get a pass for withholding vital information from Kim and Susan.  They made their decisions based on what they thought they knew.  He doesn't get a pass for hiding the realities of the supernatural from Susan to the extent she thinks old horror movie tropes are enough to protect herself when she invites herself into a vampire's den.  He screwed up.  Repeatedly.  He goes on and on in the early books about how normal people need to stay away from the supernatural and how dangerous it is, and also about power and responsibility.  He has power, he has knowledge, by his own logic he had the responsibility to use it wisely and in these two cases in particular, failed to do so.  Kim and Susan were already involved with the supernatural.  Susan didn't understand the true extent of the danger, and Kim...the whole scene with Kim, in particular, struck me as someone who knows they need help trying the only way they can think of to get help from the one person who can help them, but who refuses to help almost by default.  Harry knew she was doing something above her skill level, basically told her she was an idiot for even trying, and apparently expected her to follow his orders and give it up on the spot.  Is it any wonder she lied about what she was really doing?  Early Harry has a lot of annoying complexes...Hero complex, Mysterious Wizard complex, I Am Always Right complex, I Am The Only One Who Can Do It complex...not to mention an overabundance of pride and even arrogance.  Frankly, while I enjoy the books, Harry, especially when looked at objectively early on, is a complete ass.  He gets better as the books go on, but he makes tons of mistakes on the way (and ends up paying for them too, for the most part).  Character development is a good thing. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
« on: March 14, 2020, 11:23:45 PM »
Interesting as it is, do we really need round #N of the "Harry was/was not responsible for Kim's/Susan's fate"?

This is a new argument for me, so just one more thing.

Harry has involvement in what happened to both of them due to his refusal to give them enough information to make an informed choice when he had the opportunity.  Instead, when Harry refuses to help Kim she assumes Harry's just treating her like an ignorant apprentice and goes ahead with her plan and gets killed for it.  If Harry had helped her out would she have gone ahead with it?  Probably, and she might or might not have succeeded with his assistance; he might even have gone there personally when he realized what was at stake.  We'll never know.  But Harry?  He insists on playing the "I'm a mysterious wizard, and I won't explain any of the reasoning behind my decisions" card, and it pretty much cost Kim her life.  He basically ensured her failure by intentionally holding back information that could have helped.  Granted, she was probably feeling pretty good about her skills by that point, had probably succeeded at some difficult things already, and that gave her the sense that she was ready to go up to the next level.  Spoiler:  She wasn't, and now she'll never be.

With Susan, he had made sure she knew vampires were dangerous, but judging by her actions she clearly had no idea just how dangerous they could be.  Would she still have gone through with her plan if he had sat her down and made her understand?  Something tells me she would, but something also tells me she would have been better prepared at the same time.  She's ambitious, not stupid.  She was fully convinced her preparations were enough to ensure her safety.  She was wrong.  Why?  Because she didn't have the necessary information.  Both of them had just enough information to get in over their heads but not enough to realize it until it was too late.  Why?  Because Harry Dresden refused to tell them. 

Both of them got where they ended up through their own decisions based on what they thought they knew.  Who had ample opportunity to correct their mistaken assumptions but didn't?  Harry Dresden.  Kim even asked him for help, and he refused.

I'm not saying Harry's fully responsible, but he definitely had a hand in what happened to them by denying vital information.

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Now, about the microfiction.

Seems like Kincaid is telling himself all sorts of things.  "It's only a job."  Ha, yeah right.  He's grown to care for her in his own weird way.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
« on: March 14, 2020, 01:24:48 AM »
  Yeah, poor Susan, I don't remember her taking responsibility for stealing that invitation which led to her plight in the first place. 

To be fair, she didn't know how dangerous vampire parties could be because Harry refused to give her all the information she needed to make an informed decision.  Instead, he tried to protect her by warning her off which only made her even more determined to attend.  Much like what happened with Kim in Fool Moon, that one's also on Harry.  Would she have gone through with it if Harry had told her everything?  We'll never know.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
« on: March 13, 2020, 01:56:11 PM »
Of course Harry was being irrational and stupid in Changes. The entire story is him going completely off the rails to save someone that he only really cares about on a conceptual level and throwing the people he actually loves under a bus out of sheer selfishness, and then killing himself because his martyr-complex-self is more comfortable with him dying 'nobly' then owning up to the consequences of his own asshattery.

Doesn't change the fact that Susan was not rational in hiding Maggie from her father, and is apparently even more allergic to rational thought then Dresden himself.

Disagree with your interpretations.  I agree that Harry was irrational all through Changes, but it was because he cares, not because he's got some noble death fixation.  Think:  Harry has been an orphan since he was what, 6?  His adoptive father was abusive, twisted, and evil, and then was killed by Harry when he tried to mind control him (and succeeded in mind controlling Harry's first gf).  His first job as a private detective was with a guy who searches for missing children he rarely finds and apparently can only afford to live in his office in a run down, bad part of town on the border of gang territory.  With Harry's skills, he could easily have built a much easier life for himself, but he doesn't, he continues to do what he thinks is right.  He is constantly describing how happy Michael's kids are in the books.  Also, remember when he got his hand fried?  Harry has a fixation on Family, and another on saving and protecting children from all the horrors of the world.  He's going on , trucking along, witnessing all the horrors of the world (not least of which is what the Red Court does, especially when it targets young people) and burning them down whenever possible for people he has never even met before, and then, suddenly, he finds out out of nowhere that not only does he have a daughter, but the red court has her and are probably planning to do something horrible to her.  Changes is nothing but Harry dialing up his usual behavior to save his own daughter, his family, you know, that thing he always, always wished he had for his whole life.  The situation has changed, he now has something personal to fight for, and he goes completely off the rails trying to do it.  Make no mistake, children of your own change everything, whether you've met them before or not.  The only people who wouldn't be affected are those who are married to cold, hard, logic (or people trying to apply cold economics to Harry Dresden), and when has that ever described Harry Dresden?

As for his death, he already knew Susan had fled from Chicago, apparently to get away from him (because Harry Dresden, deep inside, thinks he alone is the source of all his friends' woes).  She has a kid, his kid, hides it from him to protect the girl because it's too dangerous for Harry to be around her.  Then, things happen and he breaks his back and is helpless to save his daughter.  At this moment of deepest darkness, his absolute lowest point, he needs a miracle.  Instead, he gets the seven words, and that's it, that's all it takes to focus his wild actions toward a single result:  saving his daughter.  He calls kincaid and accepts Mab's deal because it is literally the only way he can save the little girl.  He is clearly terrified of Mab, and just as clearly terrified of what she'll do to him.  He sees her as cruel and vicious and uncaring, and he doesn't want anything to do with that. He knows he would be a much more powerful and dangerous winter knight that Slate ever was, he fully expects to turn him Lloyd Slate Mk 2, and he doesn't want that for anyone.  But, most of all, he doesn't want the fae going after his daughter to get at him.

Harry Dresden's suicide, to him, was the best he could hope to get out of many, many terrible options.  Not only for him or his friends, but most of all for his daughter, his family.

It was a terrible decision, but based on what Harry knew and thought he knew at the time, not to mention the seven words driving their way through his skull, it was the best he could come up with, for everyone.

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Also, agreed Susan was being an idiot with how she handled the whole thing as well.  But, something to remember is that one can be extremely intelligent and still make terrible decisions.  It sounds like Susan's INT is high, but her WIS is definitely not.  She wanted to be a mother to Maggie and wasn't able to convince herself to leave her somewhere that actually WAS safe and out of reach, and instead precipitated the whole thing by bringing her with her. 


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[edit] Also, what Maz said.

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