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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Law
« on: August 03, 2023, 05:09:53 AM »
They aren't the same. The Accords govern interaction between supernatural nations (with a specific meaning of the word 'nation' that includes entities and organizations like Marcone's empire and Drakul). Winter Law governs, Winter. Not even Faerie as a whole, just Winter. It's internal only. The confusion arises because Mab is the one organizing and enforcing the Accords, which means that creatures of Winter need to adhere to them especially because Mab has more ability to investigate and enforce the Accords with them than with anyone else.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Small Details
« on: July 13, 2023, 05:18:56 AM »
Here's another one: In Fool Moon Susan suggests photographing the supernatural using a telephoto lens from a long way off. In Turn Coat, Dresden hires Vince Graver to photograph some wizards with a telephoto lens from a block away.

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When did he use lightning? I would have said wind for the early books, lightning shows up in Storm Front and technically Fool Moon true, but it's hardly a motif. I don't think he uses it again until Turn Coat against the skin walker, and then in Battle Grounds.

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Cthoniq, I agree it takes skill to use the mantle properly, but I think you're mistaken about it being ruthless logic. The series points pretty heavily towards the mantle being pure savagery, and logic is a way to control and handle the impulses. Mab is all logic because she's restraining the urges of a mantle orders of magnitude greater than Harry; her illusion display was scary because it was Mab, not the mantle, that was pulling it off. True, you couldn't expect a human to think like that, but she isn't human.

It's also worth noting that Dresden uses the mantle kind of constantly, especially in the last two books. He's taking advantage of the physical power an skill it gives, for one thing, and every single instance of ice magic we see is the mantle. Dresden on his own has 0 skill with ice evocations, that's entirely the mantle, not his own magic. The reason he hasn't tried experimenting is probably because, in addition to being concerned about the mantle's influence, he just hasn't realized there's more to it. The man can be insightful about magic, but he can really miss the obvious when it comes to applying it (see his total failure to use soulfire, which solidifies his spells, for anything but the most ephemeral fire evocations instead of like, a shield). Still, I think his current use of it is a far cry from "emergency situations only". Ice almost gets more use than fire these days.

You're point about him drastically missing the point on the physical benefits is a good one. That's an example of him just not putting the practicalities together. The mantle also makes him an excellent shot, and presumably grants skill with other weapons as well, but I don't think he's thought through the implications of that yet either.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Small Details
« on: May 30, 2023, 01:06:11 AM »
No, I think you missed the point. I'm not saying Morgan cast a similar spell, he definitely didn't. When he called in his favor with Summer, they were tasked with frustrating the tracking spells of the White Council. They found a way to do so that was a direct reference to when their own tracking spell was frustrated by Dresden; by sending the White Council on wild goose chases across the country, just as they were sent on wild goose chases throughout Chicago.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Small Details
« on: May 26, 2023, 09:00:07 PM »
Alright, you win, I'm stumped. What in the world do you mean?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Rudy up on charges?
« on: May 25, 2023, 02:34:43 PM »
Yeah, I find it unlikely there is any criminal action against Rudolph. It can be hard enough to get a cop on that kind of charge, much less without a body or reliable witnesses, much less in the absolute chaos of death surrounding the event, much less with the strain the legal system will already face in the aftermath. I mean, so many people went missing during that night where would you even start?

As for this, I'm not sure how you get Cowl=Nameless.
The Law and Fugitive give major clues that Cowl is Nameless. They also show that Harry is making him reckless and he could be coming to a falling out with Marcone, if Harry and Marcone would compare notes.

I suspect Nameless/Cowl gets the surprise of his life when he attacks Marcone only to find he is dealing with Namshiel.

Nameless is a demigod, emphasis on the god side, and Mouse just tackled him and broke his arm. That, along with Dresden's own certainty based on the feel of his magic, just screams mortal wizard. I mean, imagine trying to tackle and break the Erlking's arm. Unless you want to say cowl somehow wanted, and therefore allowed Mouse to snap his bones, I just don't see it happening like that.

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DF Spoilers / Small Details
« on: May 25, 2023, 02:27:26 PM »
I thought it might be nice to have a thread listing out little parallels, details, and insights Dresden never calls out explicitly in the series. Apologies if one already exists. There are a few I like, Butter's comment about getting a lightsaber is a classic, but I thought I'd start it off with one I'm not sure many others have caught or brought up:

In Turn Coat, Dresden talks about how the wardens are being spotted all over the country looking for Morgan. He concludes it's a wild goose chase, but he's not sure why the wardens would be showing up in these random cities.

The Summer Court's anti-tracking measure for Morgan is a deliberate nod to what Dresden did to their tracking spells in Small Favor, sending them bounding around the city via Little Chicago. Eldest Gruff even asks how he did it. Clearly, they figured out something along the same lines.

What are some of your favorite details and nods to past events?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Drakul is the third Walker
« on: August 16, 2019, 07:35:38 PM »
Here's some more evidence about the Black Court not fitting with the rest of the game. Free will is a constant theme in the series and its integral to any shift from human to other. Scions, white, and red court vampires all have an aspect of free choice before they change. So do wizards in fact though it's broader in that case. But black court vampires are a glaring exception. If you're turned you're turned. Its a violation of free will, an extension or subset of necromancy. If you look carefully at the laws of magic all of them, except the 7th, except the one about outsiders, specifically ban magic as it is used to override free will. Murder, murder through forced animal tranformation, time travel, enthralling others and invading minds, necromancy, these are all violations of free will as its defined in the series.

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DF Spoilers / Acquitting Harry of First Law violation in Grave Peril
« on: June 20, 2019, 09:21:43 PM »
Ok when Dresden lets off the firestorm at Bianca's Ball he regrets all the people he killed. But only 11 bodies, all inhuman, were discovered. Human bone disintegrates at 1500 degrees Celsius. So Harry's "living fire" spell which targeted the vampires and burned the trees had to have burned that hot to have killed any humans. Wood burns at 300 degrees so it was definitely that hot. 300-1500 is a pretty massive range. What else has Harry burned? His flames have occasionally melted through walls but explosive force and wooden infrastructure make that less than helpful. He's melted asphalt before, but that starts to melt in the sun at a mere 50 degrees so it's not like its hard. I haven't tracked it down, but I think he may have melted stone once or twice, that's ~1200 degrees by googling so we're getting closer, but this is much later in the series. And steel melts at 1300 degrees, again much later in the series. So the question is, can GP Harry, having had a bunch of his power recently eaten by the Nightmare, throwing fury-based magic that almost kills him, cast a large aoe firestorm that burns 1500 degrees across its breadth (in order to disintegrate all the human bones)?

No way. The human bodies were removed from the scene during the firestorm since they weren't there after and they were there before. Someone Interfered, and Dresden broke no laws of magic that day. The question is, who could have had the motivation, power, and ability to do this?



Small note. It is mentioned that the flames rise 50-60 ft in the air, but this should not be attributed to a more powerful flame. If you've ever lit a medium to large Christmas tree you'll know that the flame can reach way higher than the tree itself, in my experience during a semi-controlled bonfire easily 30 ft. and these are taller trees ignited immediately.

Smaller note. In CD Harry casts a harpoon of blue fire in one of his most powerful and efficient displays of fire magic backed by the winter mantle at HWWBefore. He says it's hotter than anything this side of the sun, whose surface burns at 5000 degrees. However, even if Harry is right about this which I doubt, it's probably hyperbole, this is not a spell that GP Harry has the power or focus to pull off (more focus allowing the fire to be more concentrated and ergo hotter).

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Second Coming
« on: June 20, 2019, 02:58:04 AM »
We are likely to see a sphinx even if you are wrong.
I'm curious why you say that. There are plenty of common mythical creatures that have barely been mentioned much less shown up in the series, there's no reason for a sphinx to be here more than a griffin, harpy, gorgon, hydra, basilisk, manticore, cyclops, etc.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Second Coming
« on: June 20, 2019, 02:31:30 AM »
If I'm right about this we'll see a sphinx in some form show up in the next few books. Here's a good analysis of the poem with some useful breakdowns and extra info, I'm still sorting through it so I haven't started drawing parallels yet.https://www.shmoop.com/second-coming/stanza-1-summary.html

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DF Spoilers / The Second Coming
« on: June 20, 2019, 12:54:42 AM »
In Chapter 27 of Storm Front, the wrap-up section shifts tenses from past to present. I believe there are a few WOJ that say that the case files (possibly the series) are sort of Dresden looking back on his adventures. The line, "My name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Conjure it at your own risk." reinforces this as he doesn't use his name as power against his foes till that thing in Cold Days with HWWBefore. The shift also occurs when talking about how the council might view him as a threat or warlock, and he says that, "for them, at least, the question has partly been laid to rest." This is ambiguous, could refer to the events of the book but just as easily to all the stuff he does later. PLus there's strong evidence that a lot of stuff in Storm Front comes back later, and some of it has. I believe there is a WOJ where he basically says, wouldn't it be super nerdy of me to drop stuff in there to bring up later? For clues, it's potentially the most significant book and stuff inside it, even minor, shouldn't be ignored.



Ok now that I've laid out the evidence for these words being future Harry I want to point out something I haven't seen anyone discussing that has significant potential, esp. for BAT.

"The world is getting weirder. Darker every single day. Things are spinning around faster and faster, and threatening to go completely awry. Falcons and Falconers. The center cannot hold."

This paragraph is multiple allusion to a poem by Yeats called The Second Coming, and the multiple allusions make sure the reader knows that its not just the common phrase "the center cannot hold" but the poem itself. I'll post the poem below, but there's at least one reference to a sight (which could be interpreted ads Sight) and the spirit of the world. I think the poem provides clues as to the overarching plot of the Dresden files, if correctly interpreted, sort of like a prophecy (but in reverse). Here's the text of the poem.



Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

-Yeats

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