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DF Spoilers / Re: Our
« on: February 12, 2019, 02:18:06 AM »
IDK. I think Jim weighs in heavily on biblical symbolism..? Or maybe that's just how I interpreted it.
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> Which story was that about the beer though??
The story is an entire book, Drawing of the Dark by Tim Powers. It was published in 1979, right around the time JB was sick with strep throat as a child. It’s a great book and stuck with me for a long time.
This would fulfill all the WoJ requirements for Mac. “Plain vanilla mortal”, “dangerous”. Also an easy explanation for why he knows Mab and other high-level characters.
It explains why Harry hasn’t been able to get rid of Excalibur, we’re waiting for book 20 or the trilogy when he hands it back to Arthur. I wonder if Harry ever had the Swords in MacAnnallys, I don’t think so. Were there 13 knights of the round table, like 13 tables? I may be misremembering that.
To speculate on how he came to his current situation, maybe he was one of the signatories of the Accords, and agreeing to be “out” was a tradeoff for MacAnnallys accorded neutral ground. The Denarians wouldn’t sign unless Mac agreed to retire or something. When the outsiders call him “watcher” they are mocking him because they know he can’t do anything without violating the agreement. That’s also why he wasn’t tied up in Cold Days. Incidentally in Cold Days he is familiar with Sidhe bargaining.
It unlikely, the way I see it (unless Jim is severely rewriting mythology, or just got it very wrong) that anyone but Mother Winter could be either Skuld or Atropos. Which I understand the issue, because the youngest of the triple goddess should be Skuld (i.e one of the Ladies) but clearly the mantle fits better in Mother Winter's Death Aspect.
Here is my interpretation. We see the Queens as separate - because we view the world through Harry's limited human perception. However the "truth" could be that ALL of the Winter Queens are Winter (of which Mother Winter is the least human) and ALL Queens of Faerie total up to something greater...there is every chance that Mother Summer's use of "our" included ALL Queens of Faerie. The Name of such a being might well be Fate, Gaia, God or something else that Jim has dug up/created. I think this is why Harry is partly wrong/stupid because he only see's the Mother's linked, not all the Queens adding up to something greater than the some of their parts.
Their are many, many versions of the Triumverate in many religions and mythologies. Triple Goddess of Wicca, Brahmic Trinity, Devi Trinity, Catholic Trinity, Greek Fates, Norse Norns, Egyptian Ra and many others. I have long wondered if sum of the Queens represents all of that.
I wanna know where he hangs when he relaxes, I'm guessing Egypt. It's just to good to pass up.
(Mac)Arthur: "I'll shall return!"
I think Mac is King Arthur.
I read somewhere that Butcher was a fan of Tim Powers who wrote Drawing of the Dark. The theme is old gods wandering the earth in different forms. Similar to how the older gods exist in different forms in Dresdenverse. The story revolves around a magical beer “the dark” that can only be brewed every few hundred years.
In the book, Arthur is the protagonist, not the brewer. But ever since Small Favor where Harry faced down the Gruff and Mac brought out the dark beer, I’ve been convinced of this. Plus, if Merlin and Excalibur exist in the Dresdenverse then King Arthur obviously exists too.
Prove me wrong. ;-)
Mildly incoherent this morning, but in the interest of random gibbering. Jim has given us some hints of the structure. Model the Never Never like fluid in a pipe. The water doesn't move at the surface of the pipe. The Never Never is the water touching the pipe. The boundary between Creation and everything outside it. The further away from the pipe wall the more stable reality.(evidenced by time being variable in the Never Never)
Given that the Sidhe don't have free will they aren't part of the multiverse. Humans only thank you. Human reality is like a tree with many branches. Each new branch representing a choice, but not all choices. Only important ones.(Vadderung in Cold Days referencing his model of temporal inertia) The Mothers can see the tree grow and branch.(Cold Days referencing Harry learning of the Adversary)
Why do the Outsiders want in? Who knows. But it could be more about opposition to the Creator rather than any property of Creation. Jealousy maybe? Or maybe they are a property of the void, anti Creation. Model this as entropy with the Outsiders representing the Heat Death of the Universe.(Empty night. If Jim loves physics, then as the universe expands there comes a point where there would be no stars to be seen in the night sky)
Sorry for going on
It is my opinion that if Lea is Harry's godmother, Rashid is a good candidate for his godfather,
even if it is an unofficial title. Why is it from the first time we meet him that Rashid always manages
to turn up when Harry is in trouble with the Council or to give advice when Harry is contemplating some very serious actions... Yet at the same time he appears totally outside of the usual politics of the Senior Council..
Skuld's one of the three Norse Norns, and Atropos is one of the three Greek Fates. Atropos makes sense, but I don't know enough Norse mythology to determine if Skuld does. I've only read the wikipedia page, but it says she is the youngest Norn, so that, at least, doesn't seem to fit.
page 338 Cold Days
Harry goes on to say that Rashid's job is so secret his eye gets it's own disguise when he isn't at the gates. This implies a whole lot of things, like just how old is Rashid? How long has he had the job of Gatekeeper? Who made the eye in the first place? And when did Rashid receive it? Since the eye is made of the same material as the gates, was it made at the same time?
Odin and him share a lot in common.