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  And that is mentioned at the end of Peace Talks when Vadderrung and Company try to devise a defense strategy for Chicago.  That the Fomor reign supreme under water and none of the powers at the Peace Talks has much knowledge and no influence there.  So in that sense it is easy to see why they would be totally hoodwinked by the Fomor.
Of course they say so, but it seems in Ghost Story/Changes Mab has some power over the cold and dark of the deeps.

So I suspect the Fomor have the home field advantage, but various powers did know SOMETHING was up with the Fomor. They just didn't know what. And as per Skin Game, sufficiently powerful beings can provide serious magic screening to prevent even Angels-of-espionage looking in. Presumably Ethniu is on the level where she can do that too, to depowered Deities-of-espionage.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “All of Winter” in Proven Guilty
« on: February 27, 2025, 06:41:50 AM »
I don't recall reading about her. She wasn't in Mab's Sidhe legion that got glamoured, she wasn't in Molly's reinforcements.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “All of Winter” in Proven Guilty
« on: February 16, 2025, 09:44:38 PM »
That was Cold Days, and it was Mother Summer who took Harry to the Outer Gates.  The only experience he had before seeing any of Winter's army was in Summer Knight.  One would think that while most of Winter's forces would be at the Gates, there would still be at least a couple of brigades in and around the Court in case Mab needs them.  And in Battle Ground both Mab and Molly were in Chicago fighting, can't remember if they brought troops with them or not, but even so both the Winter Queen and the Lady were in Chicago while supposedly the Gates were under siege with only Rashid to lead the Winter Army, unless there were some other of Winter's generals.
I believe Lea was conspicuously absent, and she's been touted as the placeholder for Mab in other parts of the story.

So presumably Lea was in command of the Gates.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mac's Possible Identity
« on: February 16, 2025, 09:42:47 PM »
While I appreciate the idea, IF Morgan knew who Mac was (approximately), his being paranoid about it tends to put an upper limit on Mac's power.

A random Angel that is out? Sure, could see that. A former Archangel who dropped his mantle into something else? Maybe, though a sign of Morgan's overactive paranoia. But literal TWG or TWC? Seems a bit too high up the power ranks to let any threats be about in his demesne.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What's your favourite conversations in the series?
« on: January 02, 2025, 10:54:43 PM »
Molly's trial isnt high-brow, but it's high-stakes.

The talk that leads to the fight in the Deeps.

And, indeed, the chat in Warrior.

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Mesopotamia / middle east. See what the Gatekeeper and his fellows have made of the big nasty things that the old tales speak of.
A place like Göbekli Tepe is screaming out for some deep dark ritual. Of course it does run the risk of drawing too deeply on Abrahamic religion to 'paper over' the cracks without having to pick if it's all true or just so from a certain perspective.

The Vatican. See if they've topped Hades - if there's one thing the files have been big on it's comparing humanity to the big nasties... and usually humanity comes out on top, somehow.

Subsaharan Africa. I have no idea of the mythologies of the region, and I think Dresden Files would be a great intro. Even if it would, no doubt, fly in the face of half the themes actually there.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry's full name
« on: November 19, 2024, 07:54:37 PM »
My personal thesis is that, for mortals, a True Name simply makes a conduit between the speaker and the Named. Harry is stubborn as can be, and uses his full being to repel Mother Winter. Against the Outsider, because he's Starborn, his full being is also enough.

Of course if he had used his Name against Mother Winter she could randomly reconnect to Harry at inconvenient times, but Outsiders are Out, and speaking Harry's name on the Outside does nothing. Bit asymmetric, since names of outsiders do call them in to reality, but eh... that's my WAG anyway :)

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Yes, they do appear civilized, but are they really?  They are cultured, clean, rich, attractive, so they are allowed to thrive, we think of them as civilized.  However these are the same beings who will suck the life out of a mortal by feeding upon his or her emotions. This a group of beings that think of vanilla human beings as "kine" or prey to be fed upon.. This is the group that would imprison the little folk so they can have nice colorful lanterns at their parties.  So as long as they have a source of food, and can create their own "civilized" islands they can thrive in a post apoplectic world as well as the Black Court in my opinion.

Eh, I could see some deluded megalomaniac thinking that, but not the sophisticated strategists that actually lead the White Court. It's easier to prey on a thriving species over one that's marginalized and you have to actively farm.

Humans also started farming fish on a serious scale only when the seas stopped providing quite so plentiful.

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The problem is, at some point star born Harry is going to have to unite all these factions otherwise they won't have a chance against Nemesis and the Outsiders.

Just a thought, Mab's intentions for the marriage might be a stronger alliance between Winter and the White Court.  However as many of you pointed out, that alliance might make uniting everyone against Nemesis/Outsiders in the coming BAT a whole lot harder because of infighting between the allied factions.. Hmmm... I wonder if this will be an instance where Mab is totally wrong in her planning?  If she is, will she openly admit it?

Alternatively, Mab intends it to blow up because she believes the White Court is fundamentally compromised thanks to Papa Raith's connections. She did also blow up Nicky and the Nickelheads, despite the now-proven value of Infernal power against some dangerous artifacts.

Alternatively Alternatively, the library has weapons so valuable, it's going to upgrade Harry's growing armory more than any downsides.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who wanted the Fomor to rise?
« on: September 06, 2024, 06:41:34 PM »
I would caution against seeing too much in the Fomor's abilities...

If only because we saw just how ridiculously outmatched their army was against the Sidhe. It makes the whole 'Fomor buildup' look like the Fomor sent their strength out skirmishing, while everyone else kept to their own skirmishing back. When one side brings the army, the other brings skirmishers, the army looks quite impressive.

And sure that's a sound strategy, kind of an inverse Trachenberg plan - if your ace can win any battle almost alone, why not fritter away your strength on skirmishes while your opponents must remain careful to husband reserves for a big battle.

So to me it's plausible that, in some sense, the Fomor HAD been building up, for something. They then went into overdrive when Changes happened, before they were ready; their skirmishers were strong, but having to put too much in reserves behind it. Then they gathered on Chicago, aiming to bring Ethniu out as an ace in the hole / the only way to win a battle, but with the army too weak to back her up, the defenders managed to keep (just) enough strength out of the battle to pitch it against Ethniu herself.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Warden Survival Rate and Current Strength?
« on: August 29, 2024, 10:45:50 AM »
The Hospitallers still exist.

There are about 40 "First Class" members, 600 "Second Class" members (mainly titled "Knights in Obedience") and 12,400 "Third Class" members.
(per Wikipedia, fwiw)
Sure, but it's not exactly a military society anymore. I wouldn't translate those numbers to '640 soldiers, 12400 hangers-on'. What I'm thinking to compare to is them circa siege of Malta, or even during the wars in the Levant.

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Right up to the last moment on the boat going to Demonreach Justine/Nemesis had Harry fooled..
I disagree there; Harry felt something off, just wasn't sure what.

When it was about 'emotional reaction to sad news' it didn't trigger a total 'huh', sure...
But if it was towards Thomas about 'our literal worst-possible thing' I'd think even a 'huh that's weird, is it really THE thing'.

And of course Justine had plenty later interactions with parties on the Outsider team, to allow 'act of true love was real, nemfection was later'.

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This is a very-interesting notion.

I don't think Jim's going to write it this way; but it's very interesting!

The pieces hang together well-enough for me to now think it's likely that "replace Lara's Hunger-Demon with a Wintermantle" may very-well be part of Mab's planning (if only 2nd or 3rd tier contingency).

I've intentionally not specified the Queen-Mantle... Lara of course hardly qualifies as "virginal" but maybe the magic can admit of a "from now on" definition.  It'd be incredibly-ironic for "Queen of the Sex Vampires" to become mythically-virginal!   :o   And we know (from the disastrous Carlos/Molly event) that Jim's very willing to torment other characters than Harry, with this sort of thing.  And it'd give Molly an "out" from the Ladymantle, if Harry could find a way to initiate the transfer without killing the current owner...

Or, just do the "normal" Queen dies + Lady-becomes-Queen + Ladymantle-needs-host sequence, with the Winterknight's fiance close to hand.  Ratchet the Molly/Harry tension another notch, I'm sure Jim would like it for that if nothing else.

Or just some direct Lara-gets-Queenmantle path.  That might eliminate the "marriage" elements, though, if there's any incompatibilities between the mythic Winterlaw ideal of "marriage" and the Queen/Knight relationship.  I think Jim's more-likely to write the complex one that loops-in Molly, ratchets-up tension, and tweaks Lara's twerk.

So, lots of elements come together very nicely indeed!  I like your theory a lot, @Avernite!

Thank you :)

For further 'support', I find Lara and Mab mostly have fairly similar outlooks. Low sentimentality except some 'defend our own', ruthless to the core, winner in a court of violent backstabbers... And both surprisingly good at understanding Harry Dresden (even if it feels for Mab it's partly 'characterization marches on' - she seemed much more alien in the early books).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Warden Survival Rate and Current Strength?
« on: August 28, 2024, 09:29:24 PM »
You're absolutely correct.
My point was that the WC, as an organization, looks a lot more like a standing army; much more so than it resembles a nation.

Nevertheless, it also has things like meetings to vote, etc, that look kind of more like a civilian government than like a military.

Here's maybe a closer comparison:  some historic mercenary companies had IIRC a voting membership to whom the leaders were beholden, and to whom the leaders had to get a vote on key matters (or at least, this is a common fantasy trope (I'm only sure of a few historic exemplars)... but that's plenty for Jim to model from!).

I'm thinking more a Knightly Order like the Templars or Hospitallers. But I'm coming up blank on Knights vs Members for those orders.

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I think the words "close to Lara" are meant to make us think it means when Justine started to work for Lara.
But in my theory it can also mean "close to Lara" in location. Meaning either Justine got infected during her imprisonment in Grave Peril and because she was Thomas' girlfriend and Thomas during that time often met with Lara offscreen. So she often was in proximity to Lara.

Or Justine was even the first vector, the first nemfected person.
Iirc the question in Battle Ground was "since when have you been in Justine?"
What if Justine was Nemesis' plant all along. Everything planned, from the moment she met Thomas till the end in BG. Becoming Thomas' girlfriend could also be seen as "close to Lara".
I always thought it weird, that the Reds wanted her before. What interest  could they have in one weak human girl? They could have any other girl. Why Justine?
And yes, all of this already implies that in theory the Reds worked for the Outsiders.

All of this almost purely speculation, of course.
 
Edit: the Reds' interest could have been faked to push Thomas to act and safe her, thus making it more probable for her to become his girlfriend.
One concern I have with the 'pre-planned plant' is that Thomas was convinced that Justine had true-love protection. That seems the kind of 'one of a kind' feeling a White Court Vampire wouldn't be wrong about.

Of course that's also a flaw with 'immediately after the near-fatal feeding' for Nemfection, because the True Love protection must have kicked in at/after that feeding.

I can't exclude the possibility Nemesis can simulate it... but in all other Dresden Files situations Love is a rather big deal. To be able to simulate it feels wrong to me.

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