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DF Spoilers / Re: How far can Mab go to seek revenge on a mortal?
« on: September 18, 2017, 01:01:54 PM »
Quote from: peregrine on September 17, 2017, 11:11:56 PM
The other thing is questions of what counts as "involvement" with the court.
She can't just whack entirely unrelated people, but if you've done something that warrants her wanting revenge on you that badly, we're talking something more than just inhibiting her plans.  Which may include some other type of involvement.

I'm not sure Bob was even aware of Nemesis when he explained the Knight's role to Harry in terms of assassinating people the Queens couldn't touch for lack of "involvement" with Sidhe affairs, either. Which makes it difficult to definitely address whether spreading it counts as "involved".

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DF Spoilers / Re: even hand thereory a reposting from 2013
« on: September 18, 2017, 12:52:04 PM »
Other problem - the first chapter of PT refers to Thomas being concerned about Justine's safety because a fetal whampire draws energy from the mother to such a degree that many mortal women carrying a vampire child die in pregnancy.

To use the gas tank metaphor for supernatural energy reserves, Justine was already running on fumes after that encounter with Thomas. I just don't see her surviving a dangerous pregnancy while still recovering.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How far can Mab go to seek revenge on a mortal?
« on: September 18, 2017, 03:05:59 AM »
Quote from: forumghost on September 17, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
She probably wouldn't need to tell Harry to do it, but she probably would anyway- and find herself somewhat nonplussed when Harry is, (for the first time ever) actually on board with her.

I'm sure Harry would love to punch Cowl's ticket, but I'm not sure he's capable even with his gains since their last confrontation.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Was Justin preparing Harry to learn necromancy?
« on: September 16, 2017, 03:24:31 AM »
Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 16, 2017, 02:53:14 AM
The problem with that theory is the earlier quote, where he says he's never seen a zombie before.  There's no reason to lie about that to Butters.

Assuming most of those explanations were by way of Justin, there's a big difference between him explaining the basics of dark techniques and doing an actual demo. Actually raising a zombie would have tipped Harry and Elaine that he was evil, and risked them running away before he could spring the enthrallment plan (assuming Elaine wasn't in on that voluntarily).

I'm still on the fence about the central question, but I wouldn't rule out Justin as the source of it for that reason.

Quote from: Kimmy T on September 15, 2017, 11:44:28 PM
My theory is that Kemmler switched bodies with Justin Dumorne during his "final" battle and then assumed the identity of the young Warden.

I'm not ruling out that possibility either. But it begs one big question - if Kemmler escaped death by body-swapping into Justin, that means Kemmler was running around with the Council thinking him dead for twenty-plus years, during which he could have completed the Darkhallow that they stopped him from doing in 1961. So ... why did he choose not to?

Quote from: groinkick on September 16, 2017, 03:07:51 AM
Forgot when in the book he did it, but Harry did memorize the book of Kemmler.  He says so to Mavra at the end.

Way, way later than he explained the basics to Butters. He and Lash only scanned the book right near the end, shortly before he raised Sue.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Eb already chosen his successor? If he has, who?
« on: September 15, 2017, 11:46:25 PM »
Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on September 15, 2017, 11:38:47 PM
It is widely believed the Blackstaff is mother winter walking stick, so an artifact of faerie.

Jim has even de facto confirmed this. Someone asked in a Q&A about the origin of the blackstaff and he said the right answer was commonly known in fan forums.

If Eb is aware of where it's from, that's a hell of a good reason not to give it to Harry. I can't see him putting Harry in a position where if ordered to hand it over, he'd have to choose between depriving the council of it forever or getting Mother Winter's version of punishment for disobedience.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Eb already chosen his successor? If he has, who?
« on: September 15, 2017, 11:20:52 PM »
Quote from: Just Al on September 15, 2017, 08:37:23 PM
Considering the amount of distrust the Council has for Harry, naming him Blackstaff (the wizard who can ignore the laws when he sees the need) would ignite a breakdown leading to the likely dissolution of the Council.
Luccio, Ramirez or Chandler would be more politic choices. I agree that Lucio would be the most likely choice.

It's not going to become a public wedge unless Langtry and company are willing to tell all the rank and file about the Blackstaff.

Most likely if Eb left it to Harry, it would just be the last straw for Langtry to have him assassinated.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Was Justin preparing Harry to learn necromancy?
« on: September 15, 2017, 11:17:18 PM »
Quote from: DonBugen on September 15, 2017, 06:37:31 PM
In Dead Beat, Harry questions Bob about Kemmler.  However, Butters questions Harry a lot about necromancy – and Harry has answers.  Without hesitation, Harry is able to tell Butters about necromancers, zombies, drummers, the effect of stopping said drummer versus the effect of cutting the zombie off from the energy, why human spirits are only used in necromancy, the two variables (impression and age) which make a zombie or spirit strong, and much, much more.

Quite a bit of that is focused on countering them. Could have been Ebenezar or Justin - and if Justin, it could be wanting his apprentices to be able to do necromancy, or wanting them able to fight necromancers (just because he was a bad guy doesn't mean he wasn't a rival to some other bad guys).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 15, 2017, 03:31:22 AM »
Quote from: jonas on September 14, 2017, 11:23:44 PM
You find that one can you give a link?

I will if I can, but I'm not optimistic. I looked for that one for almost an hour last time the topic came up and couldn't find it, and I don't have anywhere near that much free time for the next few weeks.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Starborn idea
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:31:00 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on September 14, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
The pentagram does have the appearance of how a star would be drawn.  Could each point on the pentagram represent a type of requirement for a Starborn to be created?  More likely a Starborn is based on some kind of astrology or something, but wanted to see if the pentagram could be part of the equation.  It's important to Harry, and I think his mom provided him with the the necklace?  I dunno, just a random thought I had.

I'm not aware of any five-pointed star shapes in the classical constellations, but there might be some sort of less direct connection. But if one of the ingredients for a Starborn was a deliberate ritual by / around the pregnant mother during the several months window of the astrological conjunction (we know that component is somewhat broad since both Harry and Elaine meet it despite being a few months different in age), it very likely could have been done in the usual pentagram format.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 14, 2017, 06:22:38 PM »
Quote from: Arjan on September 11, 2017, 09:28:49 PM
Never saw that one but I remember one about the white god as a mantle and for all we know it had changed hands already.
And another one about how they express themselves on earth that changes even if they themselves don't. The drift in belief about the angels and the white god is a historical fact so I assume it is so in the dresdenverse as well.

The one about angels being absolute was recent. I can't place the source right now - it was older than DragonCon, but I think it was one of the Q&A's this year or late last.

Would you happen to remember where the TWG as a mantle that may have changed hands was from? I had some vague memories of a comment like TWG is the eternal creator of the universe, but wasn't always. I've been trying to find that one again for a while to confirm what exactly was said, but I haven't been able to find it. Somebody else remembering something along those general lines makes me wonder if maybe the Fall was precipitated by the creator mantle changing hands and some of the angels resenting the change in management.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A new idea on Kemmler returning
« on: September 14, 2017, 03:39:37 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on September 14, 2017, 04:25:38 AM
With the Red Court you're right I think.  But Mavra for example is a corpse.  So I think that perhaps the person is probably dead.  That being said there might not have been much of Kemmler left to bring back.

From what we saw of turning new ones in It's My Birthday Too and from One-Ear's attempt to turn Lara in BR, they work with a live victim too. The new blampire then begins to look decomposed over time (One-Ear implied he'd enjoy raping Lara while she still looks lovely 'for a little while' before rot sets in).

Though I suspect Elders might eventually recover the ability to pass for human they want to, since Stoker's book downplayed Dracula from corpsey to merely emaciated looking.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A new idea on Kemmler returning
« on: September 14, 2017, 04:20:20 AM »
Well, there's WOJ that the Council killed Kemmler exceedingly thoroughly the last time they caught up to him. If standard vampire folklore is a reliable guide, I'm not sure an already dead corpse is a viable substrate for them to turn - they might need the victim alive to start the process.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Simon?
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:17:00 AM »
Quote from: Bacchus on September 12, 2017, 05:40:13 AM
i also wonder if doing black magics like kumori saving the gunshot victim would add any taint at all because the intent behind it was good.

Everything a practitioner does seems to leave some sort of signature on their aura, but in that particular case I think it would show as traces of dark but not exactly evil.

What's most perverted about the way Grevane or Corpsetaker raise undead is that they're enslaving human zombies / ghosts to their will. Kumori presumably would have picked up something more similar to the hints of darkness Harry got from raising Sue - in her case because she was saving a life with dark power but not compelling him to obey her, and in Harry's case because it wasn't a person.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 11, 2017, 07:26:32 PM »
Quote from: Arjan on September 09, 2017, 04:17:07 PM
Punishing the father by killing his son is morally wrong whatever the father did but I do not think the Uriel who killed the firstborn is the same as the Uriel who walks around now just like the Odin who demanded human sacrifices is not the same one as he who talked with Harry.
They change because the stories about them change.

Nope - at least, as far as Uriel's case.  By WOJ, the reason angels are not susceptible to Nemesis is that their nature is absolute. They're not subject to change such as that based on drift in belief the way pagan gods and 'worshipped' Fae (i.e. those in a position like Kringle who mortals believe in, even if not explicitly religious figures).


Quote from: Anubissama on September 10, 2017, 08:21:23 AM
And I fully admit if it ever turns out that Nicodemus is doing this just to get personal power I'll admit he is E evil, but from all the hints we have so far it seems more than likely that Nicodemus has an end game goal that fights the Outsiders. Which we also use to justify all that Mab does, so again they are at worst equal.

Oh, power is definitely a means to an end for Nic as well. But the difference between him and Mab is that keeping the Outsiders Out is Mab's overall purpose. I'm confident Nic shares that as an objective, but it's not like if someone were able to use a WMD to kill everything beyond the Gates, does anyone really think he's just going to say "mission accomplished" and retire to take up gardening? He's still going to have his 'saint of hell' game plan to act out.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 09, 2017, 01:11:37 PM »
Quote from: Arjan on September 09, 2017, 05:23:44 AM
Which all but confirms he doesn't.
And yet those thirty do more evil than all Mabs cohorts together. That is because it is their purpose to do evil things. Soulfire and hellfire can not be combined, you have to choose between the two.

Agreed that the Denarians are worse. But I don't think we can conclude Nicodemus' reaction to the probable Nem-fection of one of his own was a lie. Which is the more effective at deceit - lying all the time, or some lies mixed with some truths? And if Deirdre was just lying outright that their agenda is "to save the world", why? She had to know there was no was Harry would have believed that at the time.

Even if Hell's apocalypse isn't primarily meant as a drastic measure against Outsiders, an Empty Night win condition for the Outsiders would still bone Nic's plans to achieve the apocalypse on his terms. They're at minimum a competitor, if not right up there with Heaven as his main enemies.

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