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Nice Poetry man.

I've got a personal theory that he had either heard of, hired or worked with either Monoc Securities or Kincaid in the past. And got a first time free consultation, like a lot of security businesses do.

I desperately picture 2 or 3 scene's between Kincaid and Marcone/ his people off screen. The first being simple exchange of badass nods.

First between SIgrun gurd and Kincaid.

"Sigrun" Kincaid smirks with a twinkle in his eye's "Been awhile how have you been."

Sigrun returns the smile. "Since the hotel room in Venice, or the battlefield in the Congo?"

"Either, or. Whichever you preferred"

Sigrun grins and goes to return the banter. Hendricks grunts and growls uncomfortably. Sigrun settle for a wink. Kincaid winks back.

"Kincaid" Marcone Nods. "Don Marcone" Kincaid nods back.

The next scene Marcone tries to hire Kincaid for a job as he's not sure Monoc Securities are prepared to do it.

"Kincaid I wish to hire you again"

"Contracts not up with Ivy, Don Marcone"

"It's not immediate, but sometime in the future, within the next couple of years or so"

"What's the job"

"Dresden."

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DF Spoilers / Re: White Court, Venatori and Kemmler
« on: September 27, 2017, 03:06:31 PM »
Hades as Erlking... huh can't believe I hadn't thought of that.

Mostly I still refer to the meaning of anagram Erlking and Kringle

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DF Spoilers / Re: White Court, Venatori and Kemmler
« on: September 27, 2017, 03:25:24 AM »
I'm not sure that applies; I've always thought that it was mortal memory that counted, for the Oblivion War and other things. Like Mab working with Disney (conjecture by Harry in Cold Days) to spread fairy tales in the last century. She should have all the Sidhe belief she needs, what with the millions of soldiers hanging out at the Outer Gates. I figured similar rules apply to Cthulhu.

Confirmed by Thomas in the Short Story Back Up and COnfirmed by the dedication in the Grimm book in Cold Days. Mab spread fairy tales.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Molly still have her soul?
« on: September 26, 2017, 02:53:59 AM »
As late as Proven Guilty Lily stil exhibited signs that she was still humanish or had human traits. A willingness to help beyond Fae Balance for instance, as well as old jokes between Friends. I would argue that Molly is like Harry in a battle to save her soul on multiple levels, and is in a lot of ways in more danger than Harry is, particularly since she isolates herself from her family who are her bed rock. Seriously outliving them is going to suuuuuck. Assuming she makes it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
« on: September 26, 2017, 02:41:14 AM »
I think that latter case of being shot might be more of the shock factor. psychological shock.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
« on: September 25, 2017, 11:02:58 PM »
There's a direct correlation the loss of their loved ones being the trigger though?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
« on: September 25, 2017, 08:35:50 PM »
Bunnies screw for fun. Elephants and Wales commit suicide so big meals for Skavis. Deer for Malvora.

The problem isn't the emotion. It's the Soul.

 Arguably Elephants and Wales do have enough of a Soul in every definition that counts, but Whampires need to feed on souls that will fuel their soul so that thei darkness can feed off their soul.

I think thats what causes the slow descent into evil for White Court. Their soul is being fed on, just as they feed on other souls.

Think of Ghost Story the entire book is about Harry's Soul. At the end Uriel comments it's hard for half born half immortals. They deal with the pressures of immortal, along with the free will and soul of a human.

Humans souls have both good and bad in them (which is WOJ btw). We can make the choice of good and evil.

White Court have demons inside them that feed off of souls, particularly when they haven't fed on someone elses soul.

Having a soul eater in your body that either nibbles away at your soul or you feed it others. Thats bound to have an effect on someones morality.

Apply it to real world addictions all of which arguably tear at a person soul. Drug addiction you become a shell of who you are and evantually die. Sex addiction your incapable of forming relationships with fellow humans on a funcional level, which is damaging to the soul as humans need to interact to feed their soul. Just ask Bob.

Finally the big one Killing. Killing does become an addiction and sooner or later life holds little value to you. At best you have a callous disregard for it. At worst you actively seek to end life to feed your addiction.

All of these are damaging to the soul and result in a corruption of morality.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 25, 2017, 07:42:28 PM »
WOJ is that the silver Denarius are mostly Augustan with some Tiberius Denarius. If we take the Calender as literal truth to the year, they would technically only just now have roughly passed 2000 years

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
« on: September 25, 2017, 06:44:43 PM »
I said a little racist and I thought I wrote something about being progressive for his time, but I must of deleted it.

At the very least Tolkiens treatment of Eastern peoples and "Black Numenoreans" are a lil suspect as a race war against all the "white races."

However I do agree that the said white races have a diversity of cultures that have diversity of cultures within their cultures.

Theirs also evidence to suggest Numenor the Tolkien Atlantis was predominantly Black.

I just think within the books themselves their is a very west vs east attitude, which you can make arguments about the morality of the Ottoman Empire all you want but thing is Tolkien fought the Germans and came to respect them not hate them. Why couldn't he apply that to eastern peoples?

Though again it's implied that Aragorn himself gained respect for said eastern peoples when her travelled their fightin with and against them going as far south as Haradrim.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
« on: September 25, 2017, 04:01:53 PM »
I have a slightly different view Kulkan is actually identified as Quetzalcoatl in Aztec Myth, Which then, as I think has repeated through reality/history a 'fall' happened based on the N paradigm, With the Help of Mayan Blood sacrifice He changed persona and the identity they named him as changed to Kukulkan too This fall/change I think happened repeatedly through history and can be seen in the Greek Gods becoming decadent Roman ones,  Sumarian into Etrusican, ect.

Thank you jonas for giving said ancient cultures proper respect

Of course thats my entire argument. It seems your just disagreeing on the order.

Seriously guys klingons and orcs what board are we on. They're different genres with different focuses. Besides tolkien was just a little racist. Star trek has more anthropology but still it's focus is intellectual. Dresden files is about heroism superheroism in fact. A closer fandom analogy would be marvel. But an even closer one is the actual aztec mayan and inca cultures for Red Court. Etruscan roman greek for white
 Slavic russian and lower germanic cultures for black court.


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Cinder Spires Spoilers / jims cats are making an appearance
« on: September 25, 2017, 02:20:21 PM »
Jims cats are making an appearance in cinder spires. There are five of them. Ben is getting a personal assassin of one.

Check out the dragon con vid for the info. On my phone so I'll link it in the morning.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQDTvMv1otI

The 41 minute mark.

Commodore bontemp will be commodore bayards cut.

Ninja cut will be a shadow like Rowls girlfriend.

And benedicts cat zatara will be benedicts serial killer cat.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Vampires and Evil, a philosophical rabbit hole.
« on: September 25, 2017, 01:27:50 PM »
White Court Vampires are Etruscans. This implies a lot of things, but particularly that Roman society was based off of Estrucan society as much as Greek. Early Romans were a mix of Greek colonies and the tribes Latin hills. They frequently traded and were at war with the at the time much more powerful Etruscans. Who frequently traded and fought with the Gauls of northern Italy.

Anyway Romans named many of their early gods after Roman gods. Minerva, Jupiter, Mars all original Etruscan jobs. Mars for instance never reall had much in common with the Greek god Ares.

My point is Etruscans had a major influence on early Rome, including huge influx on sexual peversity and kink. Presumably in the Dresdenverse this was where the White Court had their peak controlling the Roman Empire.

Seven Deadly Sins were formed by Catholocism in part as a response to what they believed to be the ultimate flaws of the Roman Empire and decadence, combined with a growing for chivalry to instill honour in early dark age knights and warriors.

It's possible in the Dresdenverse the White Court are the epitome of the Seven Deadly Sins which is back up by the three major houses, but also in Paranet Papers the RP, where theirs another minor house that feeds on Wrath and fight clubs.

It should be noted that I think it was Quantus who theorises the White Court have more to do with Greek spirit personifications. Eros, Phobos and so on and so forth. It's possible. but the Greeks personified everything into spirits.

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RED COURT
Again if you take Paranet Papers as canon which I think it is as Jim reads through it offers advice and approves of it before publication.

The Red Court became powerful because they captured and imprisoned ancient Inca gods. I think it implies they did similar to the Ancient Mayan and Aztec gods. They imprisoned they ancient Inca gods and physical fed on them. You are what you eat.

I believe they did similar things to the Ancient Mayan and Aztec gods which is implied by the Red King taking on Kulkulan name and position, as well as Dresdens theorising he wasn't the original Kulkulan in one line where the Red King wasn't sure who Susan as a KOTC was under the invisibility cloak.

Red COurt feed on blood to the point that it's an addiction and several have shown they find sexual pleasure from feeding. It is a physical addiction to them but I don't believe it has any direct impact on their Morality. Keep in mind the real world Cartels in the same region do everything the Red Court does and are all perfectly human. I would still have major problems if any federal government launched a genocide against all cartel members and gangs. Which has been done before.

What makes the Red Court different is the fact that they have become dark gods. (Mostly retired according to Vadderung). In all ancient cultures gods provided a service, of good fortune in exchange for worship and sacrifice. Some Pantheons were said to abuse this relationship, and according to Thomas as well as a lot of mythos the Dark Gods were defeated by other Gods. Those Dark Gods were put Outside of reality, but are still powerful enough to launch invasions and incursions into reality every so often.

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Black Court okay I'm keeping this one short because internets about to run out.

The most common and prevelent theory is as people have mentioned.

Dracula tried to impress big daddy Drakul who might be an Outsider himself trapped in human form.

Dracula tapped into the Outside in an Acnsion ritual gone wrong and became Black Court. Still tainted with the Outside. The Outside in its nature is outside reality, evil and wrong.

We also know Black Court power up from mass killing. That is by any definition Evil.

More later

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 25, 2017, 10:20:07 AM »
...What?

I'm talking about the magical, spiritual, emotional, mental and consciousness of a soul being a powerful tool and fuel source for Hell and demons.

Islamic theology and pholosophy believes Lucifer mad a deal with God that he would get ten thousand years to prove humans deserve to go to hell which would be proven by the number of people who go to hell.

Judaism believe Sammael/Lucifer was the Angel of Death and punishes evil doers in the after life or delivers them to heaven. Earliest form of the Reaper myth along with Charon. It was him in the bible that slayed the first born of Egypt.

I'm wondering if in Dresden verse Lucifer is gathering as many condemned souls as he can for some sort of purpose.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 25, 2017, 09:21:21 AM »
hmm I wonder if thats the purpose of the mass killings by the Denarians. So that people in strife and crisis commit evil acts to doom their souls, so that they're sent to Hell where Lucifer and other demons get a power boost.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry/Marcone Relationship
« on: September 24, 2017, 01:26:31 PM »
-_- Harry is clearly the scion of Odin

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