It's possible that Uriel used the word "lies" because he knew that it would have a stronger effect on Harry, and the multiple definition of the word "lie" gave him the leeway to do so.

He could have used the word "lies" because Uriel views it as a lie, since it is an untruth that would work to subvert Harry's exercise of free will, even if it is not a lie by faerie definition. As has been made clear to me in another thread, people frequently see very different things as lies, and I don't see how being different species with completely different codes of conduct would do anything but increase that tendency.

It's also possible that he was trying to warn Harry that Mab was nemfected, but if so, she appears to be resisting well for the moment.

It seems extremely unlikely that Uriel did not have control over the specific words used, given that, as I remember it, in Ghost Story Uriel makes a point of saying that one of the Fallen used seven very specific words to undermine Harry's free will.

Of course, that would mean Justin probably isn't Cowl, unless there is some really twisty reason a misguided good guy would give a nemfected Athame to Leah.

Because he didn't know it was nemfected, and wanted to give a powerful weapon to someone highly placed on the anti-Outsider team.

(Note that I don't actually think Justin is Cowl, but for completely different reasons--I feel that it would undermine large parts of Harry's character, as well as messing up the black magic thing that the books have been dealing with.)

Specifically, I think Justin tried to enthrall Harry, and partially succeeded.  Harry is still suffering the effects of this, including anger management issues and memory problems.

I'd always assumed that the anger management issues were a result of breaking the Laws.

I also think there was more than one fight between Harry and Justin.  The first was the one described in Ghost Story, where Harry flees from Justin.  He then met with the Leanansidhe, and spent some time with her.  He returned to confront Justin and rescue Elaine.  Justin defeated Harry in this second fight and took him prisoner.  Justin tried to enthrall Harry with Elaine's help.  Harry broke free, and in the third fight killed Justin.
  The above is not described in the books, but I do think it may be what actually happened.

This makes sense.

It is logical that Justin was stronger - he is older. Harry is 16, Justin may have been anywhere between 50 and 70 (remember, wizards age slow). Justin was a Wardern. Out of however many White Council wizards, there are only approximately (+/- 10%) 200 Wardens. Not a damn lot, which is why they would only choose the strongest, most skilled Wizards (assuming they have the talent for Evocations). The oldest Wardens are between 100 and 200 years old (if Luccio and Morgan are anything to go by; remember when it comes to Wizards age tends to denote seniority). So likely not many older than them. Justin as a senior Warden (trained by one of the strongest Wizards in the world, Simon Pietrovitch) is not going to be some slouch. If Harry is top-40 at 25 (!), even for a prodigy he still is not going to surpass everyone. Justin has had plenty of time to grow and get strong, magically speaking. So assuming Harry is stronger than 2/3 of the Wardens, there are still going to be a fair few stronger - the old guard. Of which Justin was likely one. So is Justin going to be number 200, or is he going to be somewhere near the top? I think it is pretty obvious.

Justin doesn't have to be super powerful to be more powerful than Harry. Now while several Wizards have commented on Harry's magical muscle (point of order: it would help if they mentioned how they calculated magical muscle), it especially looks good because he is so young.

Okay, there seems to be some confusion here. I'm talking about raw magical muscle when I talk about Justin not being super-powerful. We have WoJ that wizards don't gain raw magical muscle as they age (actually, we have WoJ that Harry hasn't, and I feel it's safe to extrapolate), they just get better at using what they have. I absolutely agree that Justin would be far more skilled than Harry--that is why I brought up what Harry said about using raw power to counter skill.

Also, we know that the Wardens don't select people based on raw magical power, because we have a WoJ that Molly would be a good Warden.

But despite all his muscle, he isn't good at using it. Especially in the earlier books, Harry mentions this several times. So at 16, he is going to have awful energy efficiency. Which compared to a highly trained wizard soldier/police, who has been around and gathering power for several decades (think of how much better Harry is at magical combat after only 2 decades) even a 16 year old prodigy with some help from Leah (which remember, was just Dumbo's feather) is going to be nowhere near Justin's power.

Justin also would have gone into that battle the way Harry goes into a lot of fights--tired, probably hurt, having used his magic for a bunch of things already. And what Lea's training has to have done is enhance Harry's ability to deal with being in that state--she did spend days at least torturing him.

Think of it in terms of Harry's fight with Victor Sells. We have WoJ that Harry's skill compared to Victor's lack thereof means that if they're both going into the fight on equal terms then Harry wins that fight 19 times out of 20. But in the book, Harry nearly loses, because of the circumstances he finds himself in. The only way he wins is by being smart and taking advantage of his opponent's screw up.

Compare that to the fight between Harry and Justin Dumorne (fight 3): Dumorne has just gotten attacked by Harry, and may have gotten hurt. Instead of resting, he almost certainly moved straight into setting up the ritual to enthrall Harry. Then he gets jumped unexpectedly by Harry and maybe gets hurt again. That's the state he's in when the fight begins. Harry, on the other hand, may be tired from the last fight with Justin by may have some time to recover (he was either knocked out or tied up, rather than running around trying to prepare a ritual), but he's probably not hurt, because Justin still wants to use him and would therefore try to avoid damaging him. He's also gotten the drop on Justin, maybe hurt him, and we know he's still thinking because that was how he managed to escape Elaine's binding spell. Even if he is hurt/tired, he's going to be coping with that better than Justin expects him to. Given all of that, I don't find it remarkably unbelievable that Harry won that fight.

Just because he lived with Eb does not mean he really understood what Eb's limits where - he was only just learning the basics then (the equivalent of completing his final years of highschool).

It means he had extended exposure to someone who is Senior Council-level. It might not have taught him specifics, but it should have let him get a sense of power levels.

So, what JB actually said when discussing Senior Council power sources was that they each have hidden deals/power sources that they don't tell each other about. Which makes a lot of sense, considering they have had centuries to accumulate power. But they arn't just "in case of emergency". Harry being the White Knight doesn't just stop when he doesn't need it. The same would apply. Which is not to say they don't have hidden nukes for when the shit hits the fan, but JB was answering a question about hidden power sources.

Fair enough.

What I think about Senior Council displays of magic is irrelevant; it is Harry who found them incredible. The Merlin and the Gatekeeper stopping an army of Outsiders and Ramps with a single ward was considered amazing. The Merlin communicating his battle plan and restoring order in a split second was considered exceptional. Ebenezar's entire list of achievements (Krakatoa, Tunguska, killing Ortega with a satellite etc not to mention with a word destroying the top of El Castille at Chichen Itza and wiping out those mercenaries). La Fortier (I think) using illusion magic on an entire nation (that one was from JB). Simon's Death Curse leveling the Red Court's army at Archangel. Listen's-to-Wind duel with the Shagnasty (and he could have gone harder). Hannah Ascher's most incredible piece of magic was protecting herself from Fire in the Underworld. Followed up by her blowtorch spell. Not exactly in the same league.

See, this is the problem. You say that what you think about displays of magic is irrelevant compared to what Harry thinks, but then the minute Harry disagrees with you you turn around and say "no, actually he's wrong." Harry did find the Senior Council's displays of power incredible; he also found Hannah's fire magic incredible, and classed it in the same league. That you don't find it as impressive is irrelevant.

But if we follow your theory, Justin is injured by Harry's surprise attack. Why doesn't he use his Warden blade or shoot him or use a magical device on him?

Because he didn't have them with him, probably. We've seen Harry preparing for ritual magic, and doing magic in his lab. He doesn't keep his weapons on hand for either of these things. I feel that it's fair to assume that Justin wouldn't, either. Remember, he's got Elaine restraining Harry at this point.

Why not control the fire himself? Justin was skilled enough to do such a thing (remember how he sets his hand ablaze) yet Harry's magic overwhelmed him?

Because it's harder controlling outside fire than the fire you conjure yourself. Remember, we've seen Harry hold fire in his hand as well, but he still says that he can't control outside fire like Hannah did.

As I said before - if Justin wanted to win that duel, he should have. The only real possibility is that he never intended to win in the first place, with all the implications that come with that. 

No, it isn't the only real possibility. Even if you discount everything I've said, Jim has said repeatedly that there is an element of chance in fights. He's said that it is technically possible for Harry to beat the Merlin, it's just not likely. He's said that it is technically possible for Harry to beat Mab, it's just not likely. None of my arguments are needed to establish the possibility of Harry winning his fight with Justin. That possibility is built into the world that Jim created. All my arguments do is shift the odds.

Anyway, that scene, as described in Ghost Story, makes me believe that Justin had to alter his plans because something happened (or was about to happen), and his timeline had to radically shift. For whatever reason, he absolutely had to have Harry and Elaine under tight control, now.

This makes a lot of sense.

Nearly all your argument?  Warden's are a different level of wizard.  They are feared amongst other wizards.  Just because Harry can withstand a lot of wizards on the White Council (all wizards on Earth) doesn't mean he could wear down a warden who specializes in combat magic.

Okay. I'd just assumed that he was talking about combat-capable wizards, which would include wardens. It wouldn't make much sense for him to say "I can win a fight against all the wizards who don't know how to fight," after all.

You yourself stated that Morgan was one of the most if not the most powerful Wardens, right?  He didn't think Dresden could beat Justin.  Wouldn't you say Morgan is an expert?  Wouldn't he know?  Or is he not very knowledgeable?  He knew Justin's level of power, he's seen what Dresden could do...  He made the assessment that Harry shouldn't have been able to win.

No, in this case I would not consider Morgan an expert. His judgement is clearly flawed when it comes to Harry in the early books (which I assume is when he says that Dresden couldn't beat Justin. I don't remember that bit. Would you mind providing quotes?). Morgan does not believe that Justin was a warlock at this point. He believes that Harry is a warlock and a murderer. When trying to decide if Harry could have beaten Justin in a fight vs would he have had to murder Justin in his sleep, Morgan is extremely biased and his judgment should not be trusted.

(If Morgan says that Harry could not beat Justin at some point after Dead Beat, I will retract my statements here. But I don't believe he does so.)

First he said "White Council"..  Harry is White Council.  Anyone considered a wizard is White Council.

Um, yes? I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

Not only that but does he really know what a Senior Council member can do with fire magic?  I don't think so.  He's never fought a Senior member of the Council before.  He's witnessed some of them using fire, but not in any kind of desperate situation where they were really unloading.

He has, however, seen Luccio use fire magic in a desperate situation, so he has an idea of what high-level fire magic looks like. He's also seen the Merlin use what Jim says is his most powerful skill, and heard about what he did with wards, so he knows approximately what level of ability is Senior Council-level. In addition, what he says is that Hannah's fire magic is something "he would barely have believed" from a Senior Council member, so even if he's underestimating what the Senior Council can do, there's still enough leeway to say that she's Senior Council-level with fire magic.

Pure speculation.  We don't know what level he was at.  Being on the Senior Council has a great deal to do with #1 power, #2. age.  Eb for example is extremely powerful, and holds the position of Blackstaff.  He had been captain of the Wardens.  He was not Senior Council at that point, yet was much much more powerful than Harry is right now. 

That could be the case, but neither of us knows.

I believe that Justin was not extraordinarily powerful for two reasons. The first is statistics: it is exceedingly unlikely that Justin was super-powerful, because only a small percentage of wizards can be super-powerful, and of them a percentage are given important and notable positions, which I think we can assume that Justin did not have, or LaFortier would definitely have brought it up when he was accusing Harry of murdering Justin in his sleep. The second reason is that if he were super-powerful, you'd expect someone to say something at some point. The subject has come up with wizards who could be expected to know, had no reason not to say so, and in one case had compelling reason to say so, and none of them did.

Justin taught Harry his defensive magic, if anyone knew how to get around it, he would.  Look at the Wards Harry used in his home.  Elaine knew exactly how to get around them because he used the same ones he used as a teenager. 

You appear to be disregarding Lea. She convinced Harry that his magic was stronger, thereby making it stronger because Harry was more confident. She may also have taught him some magic/given him time to practice, considering that in Ghost Story Harry says that when he went to confront Justin, he had a new blasting rod and staff.

Finally, Harry has been proven to not always be a reliable source of information.  Not only that but when he makes statements about what "Senior Council members can do", it's nonsense.  He has not once squared off with someone on the Senior Council.  He's barely even spoken to someone on the Council besides Eb who became a member in Summer Knight.

Okay, not being a reliable source of information does not mean that we get to disregard everything he says. Harry has plenty of ways to know how powerful a Senior Council-level wizard is: he's a wizard and can be expected to know about magic, he has Bob, and he lived with Ebenezer for two years, just to start.

Harry's whole assertion he is in the top forty wizards in terms of magical muscle (out of what, 5000 wizards?) has always been a bit arrogant. He barely has any idea of what the others are capable of. He doesn't go very regularly to Council meetings, and he has been asserting that statement since the beginning. Only recently has he even seen any of them in action.

He lived with Ebenezer for two years and has Bob. There is every reason to believe, therefore, that he is not just making up the power thing, and actually has evidence to support it. Also, Luccio agrees with him in Small Favor when they are talking about the power needed to contain the Archive, implying heavily that he is in the top of wizards' power range.

Jim also says that most Wizards, especially Senior Council types hide how much power they really have (I say types as there are quite a few wizards who are probably powerful enough and senior enough to be on the Senior Council, like Eb was, but aren't - take Klaus Schneider the Toymaker for instance).

I'm pretty sure what he actually said was that most wizards, especially Senior Council types, have "emergency power sources" like the deals that Harry has been offered, which they do not advertise.

But even if Harry was top-40, then Justin is would be top-15.

What? Where on Earth does this come from?

We have had very few demonstrations of Senior Council magic, and all of them have been incredible. Well beyond anything Hannah Ascher ever did.

Okay, no. You may think that they are less impressive, but Harry, who is not only a wizard but one with a lot of experience in magic, thinks otherwise. In this case, I'm going to say that the wizard probably knows more about how difficult magic is than we readers do.

Justin would have watched Harry's method for both offensive and defensive magic.

Nope. Harry says in Ghost Story that Justin did not teach Harry offensive magic.

He would know his magical flaws, and his psychological ones.

Which I have reason to believe Lea helped him with. At least, that's how I interpret her torturing him to give him more confidence--it certainly sounds like her getting rid of at least one of his most exploitable psychological/magical flaws.

So even if Dresden got the jump on him, unless he took him out straight away, any extended duel would not have been in Harry's favor.

If Justin were injured, possibly bleeding or something, and also hammering at Harry's unexpectedly-strong shield, I still believe that he would weaken enough faster than Dresden that Dresden would have a chance to get him (or get the house, since that burned down) with fire in the endgame of the fight.

He didn't get the jump on Justin.

Only if you consider the comic books as canon. I generally don't, because the information revealed in the comic books doesn't appear to fit the timeline of when the comic books are supposed to take place.

Harry's raw power doesn't mean diddly in a lot of cases. As I said above, Jim said Harry would be easily defeated by those on the Senior Council.  He even said that Morgan would have beaten him easily.  I believe he said "Harry was to Morgan what Morgan was to Eb".  So if Justin was anywhere near Morgan's level, he shouldn't have had any difficulty beating Harry.

Harry explicitly says in Skin Game that his raw power allows him to counter other wizards' skill. Here's the quote:

The second sphere came flying at me and I countered by lifting my staff and shouting "Defendarius!" A broad wall of force shimmered into being in front of me, and the sphere smashed against it and exploded into a cloud of flame that spread out along its length and breadth, as if seeking a way around it. The heat was viciously intense, and enough of it would have burned through the shield--but it was a question of volume. Ascher had struck at me with pinpoint precision and intensity. I'd countered her with raw power, using a shield big enough to spread the heat over a wide enough area to keep it from burning through.

Ascher let out a snarl of frustration and hurled another sphere. Her thinking was obvious--if she could keep pouring fire onto me and force me to hold up shield after shield against it, eventually she could either burn through it or exhaust my ability to keep holding it up. I'd have taken that fight against a lot of practitioners: There are relatively few wizards on the White Council who can stay with me in terms of pure magical horsepower. But while there are plenty of wizards who could wear themselves out pounding on my shields. I had a pretty solid intuition that Ascher could keep throwing fire until I was a gasping heap on the ground, especially with Lasciel's knowledge and experience backing her up.

Note that Harry has previously said that Hannah was Senior Council-level with fire magic. Justin was not Senior Council-level; I seriously doubt he was even Morgan-level, given that Morgan was known to be one of, if not the most dangerous Wardens; and I absolutely believe that if Justin was trying to blast through Harry's shield then he would be one of the wizards who would exhaust themselves trying to break through.

Remember, per Ghost Story Justin wasn't teaching Harry offensive magic, so he would have no reason to suspect that Harry could pull off a decent offense. I don't think Harry could win by slinging attacks, but if he had the sense to mostly defend himself at first then I believe that Justin could, and likely would, wear himself out trying to break Harry's shield, until it got to the point where Harry could launch a successful attack against Justin.

Corpsetaker didn't die until Mort dispatched him in Ghost Story..

I'm pretty sure that Corpsetaker died when Harry killed him, and he just stuck around due to the whole "death is a spectrum" thing.

The difference between a lie and a mere mistaken impression or falsehood is in the knowledge or intent. In the example you used, the married woman would be "living a lie" if, for example, she was pretending to love her husband when she knew that her feelings weren't real. Or maybe her spouse was a criminal and she was pretending her spouse was an upstanding citizen. Either way, it is about willful blindness.

No it isn't. If the woman had believed that her husband was John Smith, a banker, when he was actually Henry James, criminal and married to someone else, then she would be living a lie without any need for willful blindness, because the definition in this case for something being a lie isn't "willful blindness," it is "founded on a mistaken impression."

If Mab didn't think she was lying, then Mab wasn't lying, she was simply wrong. Telling a lie requires knowledge of the falsity of the statement.

Not necessarily, according to the definition I found. Seriously, I didn't make it up; it's the definition you get when you google "lie definition."

Mother Summer tells Harry that it is possible to master the mantle, that in fact, it had been done.  And given that, Mab had to know.

Not necessarily. It could have happened before Mab's time. We already know that she wasn't the first Winter Queen.