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DF Spoilers / Re: 22 Case Files and BAT
« on: October 12, 2020, 07:44:10 PM »
Are you the guy who promised us a complete molly series spin off?
No no no, just three parallel books from her perspective. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: 22 Case Files and BAT
« on: October 12, 2020, 07:05:58 PM »
The Denarian book sequence might be off now due to Battle Ground.  It might be 21 now. 

  • 18 - Mirror Mirror - Parallel dimension book
  • 19 - BATTLE ROYALE - Wrestling book (name seems less likely now thanks to Battle Ground...)
  • 20 - PAST TIME - Time travel book
  • 21 - DEVILS KNIGHT - Denarian pre-apocalypse book

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror returners
« on: October 12, 2020, 06:52:39 PM »
I don't think it's definitive that Mirror Mirror will be the only time travel books, or even a time travel book.  We could still have a separate time travel book other than Mirror Mirror.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Backcourt vampires WAG [spoilers all incl BG]
« on: October 12, 2020, 04:12:31 AM »
I'm liking the dead Dragon theory.

  • St. George kills a Dragon (using the Spear of Destiny maybe?)
  • Later, the Order of St. George is founded.
  • Even later, a leader known for using "ruthless methods" to maintain power, founds the Order of the Dragon, modeling it after Order of St. George but named for the Dragon rather than the Saint.
  • The symbol of the order is a dragon restrained by its own tail.
  • Vlad II, a Starborn, joins the Order, and is chosen to act as host to a Dragon mantle.
  • Vlad II receives the constructed mantle, becoming something inhuman trapped in human form, taking the moniker 'Drakul'/'Dracul'.
  • When his son Vlad III doesn't live up to his expectations, Junior becomes a Black Court vampire to give himself power and impress his dad.
  • Junior founds the Black Court to organize the vampires; while unimpressed, Drakul sees the value and takes control after his son is killed.

This allows for Drakul to largely conform to the historical record, allows for Dracula to both found the Black Court *and* become a Blamp as an act of rebellion (meaning the Blamp type can be older than just the 1400's), and allows for a method for the Court to become associated with Drakul.

What other facts/WoJ on the subject would need to be addressed/incorporated?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lord Wraith [With Spoilers]
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:04:38 PM »
So the consensus seems to be that it's a bloodline curse for descendents of Margaret's line. Which would be Thomas, Harry, Maggie, possibly Bonea if it's soul/spirit based, and Thomas's kid in the future.

We're not at all concerned that it's just tied to Maggie's kids, and that with Harry's death and Thomas now being sealed away and cut off from magic, the curse isn't compromised.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lord Wraith [With Spoilers]
« on: October 11, 2020, 02:44:17 AM »
I forget, was it ever confirmed that the curse was anchored to both brothers, or is it just assumed?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Chicago, Sanctuary City?
« on: October 11, 2020, 02:38:25 AM »
You mean rush to the city that was just attacked by a Titan, will have official and unofficial mortals watching for any hint of anything supernatural, and the power is divided between vampires, the unseelie, and a gangster with a brutal reputation for anyone that gets out of line in his territory?

Sounds great to me, and I hope it happens.  I think it'll be great for Harry to build a small army.  But I don't think folks will rush into that danger.  Those that would show up will mostly likely be so bad that they'll probably sign on with Marcone rather than Harry.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Backcourt vampires WAG [spoilers all incl BG]
« on: October 09, 2020, 09:52:59 PM »
In think more often than not, it does go badly, there is a reason why Jim decided to go with the 666 years between births.  And that is why the choice of Malcolm for Harry's father is so significant in this whole process.  And why Harry is told over and over again he has a good heart like his father. I don't think he is being told this just to be saying something nice about him.  It is what sets him apart from and keeps him from becoming a monster like Drakul and Listen.  It's the bit that the White Council doesn't get.
One good point you make is that if Harry was born in 1975, give or take a few years, then the last Starborn alignment would have been 1306, give or take a few years.

Vlad II was born real-world in "before 1395". Open-ended, sure, but his father was born 1355. So the Starborn alignment date was fudged, or the Dresdenverse Vlad II wasn't the son of Mircea I. 

So maybe it opens the door for him to being the son of someone... Something... else.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Backcourt vampires WAG [spoilers all incl BG]
« on: October 09, 2020, 06:21:36 PM »
Yet LTW knows it when he sees it, which supports my theory that Martha Liberty (who has never seen Harry use it, due to Checkov’s broken leg) also has access to soulfire, he saw her use it in her role as a Voodoo Priestess. Eb, Christos and Carlos has seen him use it, unlikely that Carlos knew what it was especially as it was mixed with Winter power, and Christos is dead, so did Eb recognise it?

Most members of the White Council have little or no use for organised religion, so the chances of one getting granted Soulfire are slim, especially if a large number of them are jerks (though that didn’t stop Harry). Too many pursue power for powers sake, which disqualifies them, and they have to cross the Fallen, and most are too cowardly.

Vlad Dracul doesn’t seem a candidate for soulfire or being a wizard, and WOJ has it that he is something else forced into a human body. He was a member of the Order of the dragon, so could that be it? A Dragon or even a dragon forced into a human body and stuck that way? Drakul is Modern Romanian for Devil. Could Dracul have been a meat puppet for either Lucifer or another of the Fallen (not Denarians)
Wouldn't "modern Romanian" be post-Dracul/Dracula, and therefore influenced by the individuals?  The origin for Dracul is Dragon, from the Order of the Dragon, which revolved around the story of St. George and the Dragon. 

Real world-wise, there's not much reason for the order to have adopted the Dragon as its symbol, as the Dragon was killed by St. George after it demanded sacrifices.  Interestingly, their symbol was the Dragon with its own tail wrapped around its neck, almost as if it were tamed by itself.  Perhaps their symbolism was to turn that which had been evil to good?

Dresdenverse-wise, it'd be interesting if the Order of the Dragon was tied to doing just that. Imbuing someone with the power of the slain Dragon in order to let them wield it in a cause for good.  Vlad II could have become their chosen host for the power, which is why he got the moniker.  Maybe he was a Starborn and they thought he could control it, only things went... badly.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Backcourt vampires WAG [spoilers all incl BG]
« on: October 09, 2020, 04:25:30 PM »
So is the assumption that Drakul was always bad and wouldn't have been worthy of receiving Soulfire from a Sponsor? 

Because let's remember that the historical Drakul (Vlad II Dracul) was a first-class member of the Order of the Dragon, a chivalric order that supported the Holy Roman Empire.  He swore to defend it, and their code was "in company with the prelates, barons, and magnates of our kingdom, whom we invite to participate with us in this party, by reason of the sign and effigy of our pure inclination and intention to crush the pernicious deeds of the same perfidious Enemy, and of the followers of the ancient Dragon, and (as one would expect) of the pagan knights, schismatics, and other nations of the Orthodox faith, and those envious of the Cross of Christ, and of our kingdoms, and of his holy and saving religion of faith, under the banner of the triumphant Cross of Christ."

Just how devout or useful Vlad II was to the preservation of the Church is questionable, but he was a warrior king that fought against other nations and religions. 

Who's to say that he wasn't given power as a Starborn, but he went down a dark path after that and became something else?

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DF Spoilers / Nemesxorcism (and keeping him out!) [BG Spoilers]
« on: October 09, 2020, 04:13:48 PM »
Outside of Thomas taking up Amoracchius and using it to somehow remove Nemesis from Justine, what other method might be available?

I was thinking about a piece of the Wall to be used as a foci/ritual object. Presumably it's an anathema to them, or they'd storm the Wall rather than the Gate.  Maybe it could help get Nemesis out?  And possibly help keep him out after-the-fact?  Would shaving off a little bit of the inner Wall be worth making charms for Harry's closest allies to keep them free from Nemfection?

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DF Spoilers / Nemesis Scope Survey [BG Spoilers]
« on: October 09, 2020, 03:33:23 PM »
I'll update this poll as new possibilities are presented. 
  • No 'other here', just reply with options and I'll add.
  • For count-based limitations, I'm going with basic (1), thematic (3), or known limitations to outsiders (13, like the cornerhounds). If a case can be made for another number, I'll add it.
  • Possession options are for full possession, like we've seen with Cat Sith and Justine.
  • Influence options are for whispered influence, like what may have happened with Sells, Denton, and others, possibly without violating mortal free will and not controlling them directly.
  • Spying options are for theoretical sensory input from corrupted targets, where there's no influence exerted but intel is gathered from unknowing victims.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Revelations and Rereads (Battle Ground Spoilers)
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:01:24 AM »
Harry was already a wizard.  Marcone's demon form has accoutrements, Harry calls him Spiny Boy. Not gonna be a good look for Marcone.
Think again.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Brighter Future Society Assets, Resources, and Services
« on: October 07, 2020, 10:24:45 PM »
    I think the question is whether Harry splurges on nice stuff or if he falls back into what's familiar and furnishes the castle via Goodwill :)[/list]
    I doubt he'll splurge.  I'm a little surprised he said something about "with what money I have left" or something along those lines at the end of Battle Ground.  He should have his and Murphys diamonds, which should be a lot even after the weregild to Marcone.

    I see him going a frugal but sturdy route. No doubt Michael will know someone in the wood furniture business that will build solid good furniture for a decent price.  Because Michael.

    And even if he has to buy it, I'm sure he'll get decent stuff. It's no longer about being a poor detective wizard. It's about making a home for his daughter and a sanctuary for the apocalypse.

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    DF Spoilers / Re: Murphy's Gun [Battle Ground Spoilers]
    « on: October 06, 2020, 08:29:12 PM »
    I'm also not sure where the coach gun went.  He had it still in chapter 16, and didn't mention it again.  It was in its holster, and then poof.

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