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Mostly I like Harry's Shield Progression the most. Purely Kinetic from Baseballs as a 12 year old to fending of half a dozen Black Court Elders.

The Soulfire and Will combination is good as well. I just reread BG and he combines both those with Winter as well.

His offense is progressively more powerful but that's more about his power growth than any distinct skill he works on.

Binding Ethniu was great and all but felt like a standard fight against WILL at this point, has done since Changes.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Murphy's background
« on: March 09, 2021, 10:47:13 AM »
Harry did try to warn her though she may have thought that was jealousy.

She's not stupid either, she could have figured it out before it was too late in Ghost Story.

WOJ somewhere is Murphy knows about Kincaid shooting Harry and would greet him with her p90

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DFRPG / Re: Need help building a spell in DFRPG
« on: March 08, 2021, 08:35:32 AM »
Tethered the dudes soul/life force to his body long enough for paramedics too arrive and save him. She ad to be present the entire time though.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Was Eb a lot more like Harry in the past?
« on: March 08, 2021, 08:23:08 AM »
Aaah cool I was using Ebenezar in the search find bar not McCoy

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This topic needs to be updated.

-Dresden has shown disturbing affiliation with a White Court Vampire to the point of disrupting Peace Talks at an Accord summett.
-Dresden has also been rumored to be engaged to Lara Raith the true power of the White Court.
- There is a rumour Dresden fought the Blackstaff and survived.

Dresden fought in the Battle of Chicago his actions there in are included but not limited to:
-Surviving a Kracken.
-Unleashing several thousand of the Little Folk under his command, which gave several powerful beings great pause.
- Killing a squad of Huntsmen. With the help of one of the Forest People, a people known for their aversion to voilence and even an issolationist policy worthy of the Jade Court. An apparent ally of Dresden who has agreed to join Mab's (Dresdens Liege lord) Unseelie Accords
-Leading a compliment of Wardens mostly to their death at the hands of Mavra. A vampire Dresden has been known to fight Dresden yet conveniently both of them lived.
-Dresden fought one of the prominent Jotuns and lived.
-Dresden took command of a large number of Fae and Humans in possible violation of the Fourth Law. A law his former apprentice now Winter Lady Molly Carpenter has experience with, and was spared execution only by Dresdens intervention.
-Dresden bound a TITAN with the use of his superweapon The Island now known as Demonreach.
-Dresdens longtime ally Karrin Murphy has been enlisted as an Einherjaaren.
-Dresden attended a closed meeting of supernatural powers to discuss the fall out of the Battle of Chicago. The result of which atleast on policy of seemingly bribing human populist.
-Dresden took control of a Castle once belonging to Baron John Marcone a criminal. The Castle is a heavily fortified position. Almost as strong as the Island of which Dresden has control of.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Can't wait to see what they got!
« on: March 08, 2021, 04:41:11 AM »
Reading some WoJ and this is from 2015...  I can't wait...


Most of the older wizards have got their own crazy background of powerups which they do not advertise. Listens-To-Wind’s shapeshifting isn’t purely a matter of wizardly skill (though his healing abilities are), for example.
But here’s the key thing about people of power in the Dresden universe (and in the real world): the truly dangerous folks do not advertise. Not ever. They have no need to show off, and constantly displaying how scary they are would be counter to their own interests. [/snip]
All the senior wizards have got something up their sleeve, and every single one of them is hiding it from all the others. If they don’t know about it, they can’t plan for it, and the “knowledge is power” wizard crowd is all about planning for things.
But we are coming up on the time when people are going to have their backs to the wall and we’re going to start seeing what they’ve got. And I’ve been looking forward to writing it for nearly twenty years

huh I thought the quote was older than that. Pre Rashid as Gatekeeper at the Outer Gates explained.

As for Listens to Winds we now know that he was taught by Rivers Shoulders. So there's that addition.


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DF Spoilers / Re: Was Eb a lot more like Harry in the past?
« on: March 08, 2021, 04:35:50 AM »
WOJ's on Eb's youth is that if anything he was even more reckless then Dresden. Dresden chooses his fights. WOJ is the difference is Dresden would like ot just sit at home read a book after a long day. Eb's the guy that clocks of work and goes looking for a fight.

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Yeah in my head, history is especially intertwined within the Dresden Files supernatural world. There's lots of other people who have done other things. There were knights of the sword fighting the American revolution. There's all kinds of stuff, oh my god the Seven Years War is such a mess Dresden Files style because that's the Merlin and Ebenezar were young hotheads that were out kicking butt and they did it in very different ways and on different sides of the war. Which neither one of them was supposed to be doing because the White Council's got this whole thing about "wizards do not do politics because we watched what happened to Camelot and it was awful". But I don't know if I'm ever going to get to write those or not, it'd be fun. I'd love to write the story of hunting down Kemmler, that would be cool. Cause it would be like sixty years long, it starts like, a little bit after the end of the Civil War and goes all the way through to World War One where he was out there operating but anyway. That's for future stuff, paying off my gambling debts and so on.

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For the Dresden Files, this whole America fusion thing, in a historical sense it just started this past-we're only on like our second season. We kind of had that cool first season and now we're kind of wandering around I think, in the second season. But a lot of the people who were alive and especially the people who were doing magic, they were there when America was getting started. Listens To Wind, you know, he got to see the entire decline of the way of life of the native Americans, he had to live through that. People like Ebenezar and the Merlin, they were involved in the French and Indian war, so this whole America thing is new to them, it might not last, a couple hundred years, whatever. It's one of those cultural differences we have, one of my favourite sayings is "in America a hundred years is a long time, in Europe a hundred miles is a long drive". We've got a very very different experience culturally and historically than a lot of the folks overseas.

That being said, you get a different sort of point of view of magic based on who you are. Listens to Wind has a very native American, a very shamanistic approach to magic, his magic is very much based in the natural world. The guys who are the White Council old school, who are from the old world, they've got an elemental tradition of magic that comes up from the Roman empire and developed in the Middle Ages, they're the inheritors of that school of thought. You get to somebody like Harry Dresden... Harry's got this very, I think for him I kind of think of him as more of a colonial craftsmen of magic. He's somebody more like a silversmith... he's putting together what's going to work-not a silversmith that's too highbrow, he's a blacksmith, he's a plumber of magic. He's working with magic, with these forces and he's gotta put them together to get the job done and he doesn't really have an ego about it, as long as it gets the job done it doesn't have to make him look good, it doesn't have to support the dignity of wizardry. He's got goals, he's trying to get things done. Someone who is brought up in one of the older schools will have teachers who say "but you've also gotta stop and think about all these other things", Harry had a teacher who was more like "you know what, let's teach you how to not be a psychotic killing machine first and after that we'll worry about the niceties" so there's all these niceties that he never got and Harry never went to finishing school like all these other wizards who will do stuff with style. Even younger wizards who are more his age like Chandler, who was brought up in a very British tradition and Chandler's the kind of guy who would say "but a gentleman wouldn't", that's his point of view. For Dresden, he has a much more American point of view and I think we're looking at different philosophies just based on the history they're brought up with. And poor Harry has my history so he has issues with bullies, so stuff like that.

I can't find the fight at the end of the day quote but it's out there somewhere.

@TheCuriousFan. You'd probably know where to find it better than me, but also Serack if you're still around.

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG: "Queen Mab is dead! Long live Queen..."
« on: March 08, 2021, 04:22:49 AM »
My bet is Titania involed.
BG: Titania "you know what this means?"
Mab: "I expect you to do your duty"
Flicker of pain in Titania: "When have I not?"

Titania's either the one to pull the trigger or deal with the fallout. Possibly both. Something to consider as even if that wasn't the case as Summer Queen she would have to balance out whomever succeeds Mab. At the very least send EG as an Emissary to their birthday party :).

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DF Spoilers / Murphy's background
« on: March 08, 2021, 04:16:56 AM »
1. So we know there was something in her past about Big Dogs that made her afraid of them. We know Rawlins once faced a "Thing" (I suspect Black Dog but can't find it anywhere) and was saved by her father Jack Murphy. That and Rawlins is one of the few people to get away with calling her Karrie. It might've been the same incident.

2. Her husbands.
-First husband was when she was 17, he was a bad boy with a Harley. Gregory Taggart about a decade older dies at 42 in Blood Rites.
-She had to sneak out to go to prom which she would've been around 17 and possibly dating Harley guy.
-Mama Murphy doesn't approve of divorcing her *second* husband implying she agreed with the divorce of the first.
-So my Theory is that Taggart was abusive, leading to Murphy's Martial Arts obsessions and trust issues.

-Husband number 2.Rich. FBI guy. Got together cause they were on the job, which later makes Murphy more hesitant to do the same thing with Dresden. Though admittedly this is fresh from the backdrop of her little sister marrying said ex. turning him into brother in law.
As psychologically analysed by ID Harry and summed up by Butters as " Wow. Catholics" (I'm from a large extended Catholic family so I don't take offence. It happens.)

As for Murphy's career well we know most of it as it happens in story. First met Harry when she fought a Troll as a Beat Cop got bumped up/down when she refused not to consider supernatural as possibility, so by the time of Welcome to the Jungle she was taking lead for the tougher investigations. The only other relationship we know of is with Kincaid, which on an ethical level Man Toy with professional assassin is a bit ick for me. (Then again Harry and Lea might be the same and I have less problems with that)

I know its a bit academic at this point as we're unlikely to see her again anytime soon.

Am I missing anything vitally important?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Childlike Wizards
« on: March 07, 2021, 09:34:26 AM »
More or less yeah

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DF Spoilers / Re: Childlike Wizards
« on: March 06, 2021, 11:56:10 AM »
In her case I doubt that it has anything to do with children.  Voodo and various African religions dolls are used in various ways.  Same for Listens to Winds, many Native American religions are tied up with the spirit of animals and communication with them, and yeah, many animals, just like us like sweets. I don't see either of them playing the same role as Molly, recruiters of children or using dolls, talking to animals, or candy bars to do it.

I agree with Martha Liberty she's a bit of a fringe covering my bases

Listens to Winds though seem to have a deeper more pure heart at times not exactly naive or innocent like a child just pure. SOmething I think could tanslate well into protecting children.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Molly's new magic
« on: March 06, 2021, 09:30:21 AM »
I've got a theory which I posted in the other thread that Molly is one of the few Wizards sensitive enough to the etherial that she can sense the childhood monsters, that Magiie has to face. The fact that she wrote the book on it is a big hint, as well as the ffact that her job as Winter Lady is to handle the Fae children.

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DF Spoilers / Childlike Wizards
« on: March 06, 2021, 09:24:24 AM »
So we all know about the general rules of paranormal children but quick recap.
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in the mid-long term is going to be Maggie Dresden goes to school. She's gonna go to St Mark's Academy for the Gifted and Talented which Harry is gonna try and get them to rename Resourceful and Talented and they won't. But it's where a bunch of the supernatural kids go to school, kind of the scions of the area and there's an unspoken rule in place "we let the kids sort things out themselves, we don't get involved in the kids' problems as long as nobody dies the kids sort it out

So there's a recent WOJ about childrens monsters and how maybe only a couple wizards on the white council are actively aware of them and those ones are considered wierd like Radagast the Brown childlike.

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Priscellie: And the previous one was from Kimberly Sanco? Thank you again. Derek Burger asks "Since there are monsters that can only be seen by children, what happens if or when a wizard uses the sight when one is present?"

Jim: He would go right past it if he wasn't, if he didn't have a childlike mind. If he could not- if he was not in contact with his inner kid if he did not have a good conversational relationship with his own imagination he wouldn't see it at all. And there's really not a lot of wizards who would. There's relatively few who would still be connected enough to that childlike sense of adventure and mischief that they would be able to connect with kids on that level, that's a rare thing.

Priscellie: What percentage of the white council is aware of these creatures that can exist?

Jim: There might be a dozen people on the council who know that and probably most of them who know that have talked about it and been considered wackos by everybody else. Which is just the perfect way for wizards to react to something like that in the Dresden Files "oh that can't possibly be real!", like that. It's for me the proof that wizards are definitely human since it's the reaction they have in the face of something like that.

Klaus the Toymaker was the not so subtle implication
which brings u the debate of who he is and whether or not hes another- yes I'm gonna say it- MANTLE- of Vadderung/Kringle. Kringle would definitely know as THE Fae about protecting and bringing joy to children.

WOJ on Klaus:
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My favorite is probably from an unpublished short story I wrote, set in the Dresden Files universe, but during the Battle of the Bulge. The Nazis had a sorcerer operating out of an old monastery, and the White Council dispatched the Belgian wizard, Klaus the Toymaker. Klaus's magic is all based around using children's toys as focii. My favorite moment was when he killed a couple of SS-summoned demons with a windup wooden duck.

The other Wizard that comes to mind for me would be the extra sensory wizards around so potential candidates include:

Molly. Her jobs as WInter Lady is to recruit Fae children and she wrote the OG book Maggiee uses.
WOJs:
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Q:  Harry says several times that Molly isn’t going to be a good combat wizard, but she seems to hold her own.
A:  Harry still sees her as a little kid AND she’s a girl.  Those are two things that Harry has a hard time looking past.  She really could be very dangerous, but not in the same way Harry is – and that’s how Harry measures combat talent: sudden and intense violence.

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said "okay I am rounding up these kids and taking them to war but these are /my/ kids and I'm going to teach them how to crush everyone in their path" so that's a little more, she is becoming more assertive and more confident as she goes

Listens to Winds: He talks to various animals specialising in little critters who like candy bars. Every kid thinks they can talk to animals at some point.

WOJ:
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Listens-To-Wind's shapeshifting isn't purely a matter of wizardly skill (though his healing abilities are), for example.

Chandler: His sensory as of a WOJ is he can see potential paths of the future, he has some childlike humour in that he sorts an avengers to hate of some sort.

Not sure if this a point for or against him but, relevant WOJ's on Chandler:
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What kind of magic does Chandler specialize in?
Chandler does a lot of Divination, and a lot of stuff that is involved with time.  Which puts him in a very finicky spot, a very high profile spot on the council.  It's one reason why he's a Warden where they can keep an eye on him.  He can actually do things to screw with the flow of time and look back in time and find things out, and occasionally to look forward in time and see things.  Although that's very unreliable because of the whole free will nonsense.  He's an information gatherer for the most part.  He's not as much of a punch you in the face type, but he's really really useful which is why he has got a lot of status among the young wardens.  He's got access to what the old wizards think is valuable, which is information.
(Jim also says here that Chandler's hat and bowler look is based off of John Steed of the 1960's British Avengers show)
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Even younger wizards who are more his age like Chandler, who was brought up in a very British tradition and Chandler's the kind of guy who would say "but a gentleman wouldn't", that's his point of view.

Martha Liberty: She uses Dolls for her main magic trick.Contacts in Nevernever so presumably shes aware of the fringes of childhood monsters.
WOJ:
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Thaumaturgy, specifically information-gathering. She’s got legions of contacts in the Nevernever and the mortal world alike.

Rashid: He's the Gatekeeper a Way Walker on par with Margaret Le Fey and one of the council exerts on mind magic and can also see paths of the future thanks to his eye. Nemesis would find children an easy target for possession just like Nicodemus thought about little Harry Carpenter. Part of his perview would be checking children.

Yoshimo: She could scan Harry's emotional state so might be able to scan children similarly.

So thats my list of POTENTIAL wizards who would know or be able to fight/interact with children and their monsters, that we know of. Share your thoughts.

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DFRPG / Re: Help with a character idea for an NPC
« on: March 04, 2021, 05:40:59 AM »
Off the top of my head.

Hoodoo or voodoo matriarch could be cool.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ferrovax Identity - crazy theory
« on: March 04, 2021, 05:26:54 AM »
Blood of was used as a courtly insult for bastards.

My pet theory is Lucifer and Ferrovax are the same being different mantles. Course than my question turns to does Vadderung have an angelic alias or is the fact that he has Spulfire an angelic substance enough.

As for the translations arguments. I did a similar deep dive into the denarians and angels a couple years back about ancient babylonian. Jim actually did a shout out when answering a question about fan theory and said "as long as i don't have to learn ancient babylonian!". My lame claim to fame lol. Just saying deep dives into language are usually overextended at best. Spefially cause Jim says he prefers reading children section myths rather than any anthropological books. Too much freudian analyses.

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