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DFRPG / Re: Invitation to pass a threshold - explicit or implicit?
« on: May 16, 2013, 08:45:20 PM »
In one instance, I believe that is the case, but I do not believe that all such instances in the novels (and there are several) have such a statement.

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DFRPG / Re: Invitation to pass a threshold - explicit or implicit?
« on: May 16, 2013, 07:40:44 PM »
Also, the permission to enter can be implied if the supernatural beastie says, "Can I come in?" And you simply nod or step aside to grant them entry. That's like an implied explicitness (an oxymoron, I know!), but you know what I mean? Had the supernatural not asked, then the context would be different and it would not be an invitation.

As I mentioned, this is actually something that happens in the novels for the express purpose of NOT 'deactivating' the threshold for that individual.

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 16, 2013, 06:55:03 PM »
You still haven't gotten this?

Lawbreaker exists for 'the big 7'.  No such mechanism exists for other activities, nor is justification for such a mechanism applied to other activities referenced in the fiction.
The Laws of Magic exist both as metaphysical truths and as the Laws of the Council.

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 16, 2013, 06:23:38 PM »
It's good you've begun to reference them as 'The Laws of the Council'.  It is an important distinction from 'The Laws of Magic' which you seemed to have been referencing previously.
That clarification being in place, the corrections I would insist upon are minor enough that I no longer care to continue beyond this last restatement:
The Laws [of Magic] make a special case of a small set of actions.  We are not told why.  I do not care to guess.
(clarification added)

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DFRPG / Re: Invitation to pass a threshold - explicit or implicit?
« on: May 16, 2013, 05:56:25 PM »
Largely, I agree.  Depending on the case, I might also impose the threshold as armour against the attempt to move someone strongly affected by thresholds (but not so strongly as a ghost or being of pure spirit).

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 16, 2013, 05:17:15 PM »
So you would argue that you could take a Power that functions similarly to Lawbreaker for other types of magic you might perform?

Or are you saying something more abstract?  I didn't really understand your post.

The Laws of physics are no less accurately termed Laws for their lack of a police force, trials, and executions.
The metaphysical laws represented by the Lawbreaker power are The Laws upon which the White Council of Wizardry based its Laws.

There is no Law for heating a cup of tea.  There is no Law for veiling a blade of grass on a lark.  There is no Law for transforming the caster's own self.
The Laws make a special case of a small set of actions.  We are not told why.  I do not care to guess.

Houserule as you will.

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DFRPG / Re: Invitation to pass a threshold - explicit or implicit?
« on: May 16, 2013, 05:07:07 PM »
Forcibly carrying an individual across a threshold can mean nothing short of your indication that you wish them to cross that threshold.  If you are a member of the household imbued with the authority to offer invitations, then you have inherently invited them.

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 16, 2013, 03:26:37 AM »
The rules imposed by the Council are boundaries on behaviour.  The rules imposed by the Council are not the only Laws.

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 16, 2013, 12:41:20 AM »
The metaphysical truths ARE the Laws.  The Laws are pertinent to themselves.

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DFRPG / Re: Invoking aspect to boost the Power of spells
« on: May 16, 2013, 12:25:23 AM »
There was a comment from the game designers a while back saying strongly implying that the intent was that you can do this.

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 16, 2013, 12:23:36 AM »
It's irrelevant to the purposes of the Laws from the perspective of the Council.

The Laws are two entirely different things that happen to overlap.

There are the Laws that the Council enforces, for which you may or may not be executed, and there are the Laws as metaphysical truths, which affect you regardless of what the Council thinks.  The fact that these Laws typically coincide is mere coincidence.

Metaphysical truths have purpose (or not) entirely independant from any mortal political group.

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DFRPG / Re: Invitation to pass a threshold - explicit or implicit?
« on: May 16, 2013, 12:20:36 AM »
In several instances, iirc, there are what would be reasonably strong 'implicit' invitations to an individual's home (Murphy's is the most common that I can recall: opening the door for an expected visitor, then stepping aside so as to allow them entry while neglecting to explicitly invite them through) that are nevertheless pointed out to not suffice to pass the threshold without effect (and are used in this manner specifically to weaken any supernatural threat the visitor might pose).
In Ghost Story, for instance, when Murphy meets with the WCV in her home.  (pretty sure that's not any meaningful spoiler;  I'll add tags if I'm asked to, though)


I think any unwholesomeness happening in the home would affect the threshold, or not, entirely independantly from association with a business.

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DFRPG / Re: WCV Powers
« on: May 15, 2013, 08:31:34 PM »
Harry's conversations with Bob re: souls, Susan, and True Love
I believe it would be found shortly after Harry's hand goes numb from using Soulfire, but I could be mistaken.

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DFRPG / Re: WCV Powers
« on: May 15, 2013, 08:27:15 PM »
Keep in mind the rather open definition of 'soul' for the purposes of the Dresdenverse when applying that rule.

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DFRPG / Re: The First Law of Magic In-Play: Semi-Official Advice
« on: May 15, 2013, 08:21:04 PM »
Luccio specifically says that the Laws and the Council are not about good or evil, but about limiting power, and if they happen to do a little good along the way then so much the better.
This is the perspective of the leader of the Wardens of the White Council.  Understandably, it espouses the purposes of the Laws as enforced by the Council, rather than the truth of the Laws as a metaphysical fact of the Dresdenverse.

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