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River Shoulders and the Genoskwa are very tough beings, but I don't see how either of them could survive the impact of that much mass without magical assistance beyond their normal means.

Or Ursiel is compatible to Sasquatches, Genoskwa did die, the coin ejected, picked up by another Sasquatch, who becomes Genoskwa. I think way back when Nic tossed Lasciel's coin Harry's way, that he said something about choosing the right coin for the specific host.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Should Jim skip to the BAT?
« on: April 07, 2022, 10:50:15 AM »
  The selfish part of me says, "skip to the end."  In other words, the BAT, that is because I will never live to see it, nor will a lot of his other loyal fans at this current rate.  And as you point out, he will be in his eighties if he continues on his current timeline for getting the books written.

I also think the series would benefit from editing, some of the story lines have suffered some from sprawl.  It is also true that Jim wants to write other things, I understand that, but I think it has come at the expense somewhat of The Dresden Files.  The long stretch between Skin Game and Peace Talks is a perfect case in point, making loyal fans wait years for the next book in the series isn't fair.  Only Jim can answer why the reason for that was, but that cries out for edit,edit,edit!
I think Jim has caught himself in his own trap of, "wouldn't be cool if...."  So yeah, having Harry involved in a novel with a pro-wrestling story line seems cool, but how far is it taking us down the road to the BAT?  Both Peace Talks and Battle Ground only seemed to present more questions than answers exploding in ten different directions at once, leaving a lot of story lines just dangling perhaps never to be resolved.
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I don't want a rushed version of the series, and nor do I think Jim should be chained to his desk. For it to even exist, let alone be it's best version, he has to keep loving it. And nor do I think I am in any position to advise or ask Jim to do anything with the series. This is just my thoughts on the subject and want to see what those of you around here think.
I agree, and I'm not alone in this, many of us have felt that the latter books have a "rushed" quality to them or going through the motions quality..  No, Jim shouldn't be chained to his desk, but is that the real problem? I mean he managed to begin begin one series and finish another since he has been writing The Files.
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Finish Twelve Months (assuming he has already started, or if he feels he needs to write it etc). Then straight to the BAT, and all the other case files come out after the BAT or as short stories in between and/or after or even just get shrunk down and included in the BAT. To me, the Dragon fight and the Kaiju stuff would be fine in the BAT. The pro-wrestling feels like it would be just as good as a side story, unless there are major cosmology and/or plot reveals in it. Mirror Mirror does feel like it NEEDS to happen, just because the multiverse stuff is going to be so important. Which is why it would have been good as the next book, but I understand that there are important character reasons for Twelve Months (and Jim clearly feels strongly that this book is important to him to be written, so it's hard to not have it now).

Yes, Twelve Months is an organic outflow of dealing of Harry dealing with his grief and the fall out of how Murphy died. That makes sense, the problem is all the other story lines introduced at the end of Battle Ground, Marcone/Namshiel, Thomas/Justine/baby/Nemesis, break with the White Council, break with Ramirez, dealing with Eb, Stars and Stones and WTF is the purpose of a star born, oh and marriage to Lara.. That is what I mean by sprawl, any one of the above almost deserves it's own novel, or at least a short story, something is bound to get lost.  We are still talking about Elaine and Cowl, are they just to be left as dangling story lines never to be resolved?  At the time they were introduced they seemed to be pretty important. 

Yup, skip to the BAT.


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With the exception of Nicodemus the Nicklehead's aren't that hard to kill.  Ursiel dies the first time in Blood Rites.  Separate the head from the body and they die. Destroy the head and they die. And so on. And he stole the idea from the Highlander, whose writer stole it from someone else.

But if Butcher wants to raise him from the dead all it takes is a word processor and the desire. At this rate I expect a party with all the quasi dead people of the  Dresden Files in attendance.

Correction, Ursiel's host dies in Blood Rites, if the coin isn't accounted for by the Holy Knights and properly locked away, a new host takes up the coin and becomes the new Ursiel, and the appearance of who we think of as Ursiel.  That may get lost in the shuffle between books, but it recurs over and over, even Namshiel's host is killed in Small Favor, Namshiel doesn't return until the mortal Marcone takes up his coin in Battle Ground..  Namshiel's previous host got fully absorbed by Namshiel, he was merely called, "Namshiel."  However this didn't happen in Nic's case, his is a different partnership, one that Lasciel tried to sell Harry on.  Now did Namshiel assure Marcone that he can do the wizard thing and remain Marcone?

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And yet we know the Genoskwa (Blood-on-his-Soul) has survived. Dresden saw him get crushed like a beer can under a hammer. I don't know we will ever find out exactly how it worked out, but it's fair to say "magic" was involved. And yes, Ursiel himself as an immortal is unable to be killed except in very specific circumstances.

Or maybe because Sasquatches are tougher than your average beings, we've also seen River Shoulders take some fearsome punishments as well and survive.

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My reading was that Ethniu couldn't see the forest for the trees i.e. she couldn't understand that Harry and Co. had beaten her, and assumed the only way it could have happened was treachery rather than being out-thought and out-played. She had to pin it on Listen rather than realising Harry might just be smarter/trickier than her. Scratch that, than Molly might have been smarter/trickier than Ethniu. She was the one who swaps out the bodies, and made sure there was no Mouse to ensure Harry would not be fooled. Something only Harry would realise. Ethniu, and those like her, can't understand humans because they don't have human fears, human connections, human cares. It's why Ethniu forgot the dog, and why her servants wouldn't have realised the decoy.

Let us just say it was a team effort, even Marcone had a part to play in her defeat.  I think it was the team effort part that Ethniu couldn't conceive, between the Eye and her confidence she didn't think she could be beaten.  She also wanted to maximize the pain directed at the Winter Court to both it's Lady and it's Knight.  Molly did foresee that and acted accordingly, at that point Ethniu needed a scapegoat for her own mistakes, so naturally she claimed that Listen betrayed her.

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Then again, Denarians have shown high levels of recovery in some circumstances, and Ursiel is about as tough a Fallen as they come. Coupled with the Genoskwa's own toughness (and likely ability to heal), plus whatever other Denarian tricks (like speeding up the mind) I can see how Blood-on-his-Soul survived.


 This true, but dead is dead, and if the host is killed the coin rolls away.  Unless it is retrieved by a Holy Knight for "safe keeping," Nic or another Denarian will pick it up to tempt the next suitable host.

So Ursiel, himself cannot be killed, he lives in his coin, but his host can be squished to death.. So wouldn't be shocked to see Ursiel again, but he will have a different body.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground foreshadowing
« on: April 04, 2022, 10:51:33 AM »
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I like this. Although I will point out Mab said kill Maeve when she meant Harry to physically end the life of the current Winter Lady. She wouldn't necessarily say end the Winter Lady...because that might mean getting rid of the mantle itself and that would obviously be a problem.

You may have stumbled on to what Mab meant when she ordered Harry to kill Molly if something happened to her.  Not the Winter Lady, but Molly, the the human being with a soul. That may be why she is promoting this marriage between Harry and Lara, because she knows Molly loves Harry.  One thing for Molly to tolerate Harry and Murphy, she knows it made him happy.  But Harry and Lara would be a soul killing bridge too far.

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  I agree, we've seen over and over again, the host body dies, the coin just drops away to be picked up by another.

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The statement is about why he is feared not about what he would do.  He's lied to anybody and everybody at one point in the story or another, either by omission or commission. Outside looking in, Harry is a big, tall, ugly can of mayhem ready to go off in somebodies face. It is what Butcher has both written into the story and what he says in the WOJ's. That he has warm feelings for puppies and kittens isn't the point.

I disagree, as far as how the story is written.. I wouldn't characterize Harry as a habitual liar. Considering what he has been subjected to, he has shown quite a lot of restraint as well.  As to why he is feared, that is a perception issue, and those have been wrong on a number of occasions, often the first words out of a foe's mouth if Harry is fighting someone, is Harry isn't what they thought he was on a number of levels.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Are Soul gazes inherently subjective?
« on: April 02, 2022, 11:18:00 AM »
Eb would have taken charge of Harry no matter what the soul gaze showed. As for what Harry saw, I would say that Eb's identity/being is not in being a grandfather nor is it being a hitman. I would guess it's similar to Rawlins in being strong, steady, and protective.

Or it did, but sixteen year old Harry really didn't know what he was seeing.  Nor did Molly at the time of her soul gaze with Harry, he saw all her possible futures, while what she saw made her want to have a sexual relationship because she saw his loneliness. She never saw the the ice water coming for her head to put end to that notion.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Black Court Missing Elders (Newbie first post)
« on: April 02, 2022, 11:13:10 AM »
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I believe you're confusing Black Council with Black Court. Black Court's a vampire court, Black Council is Harry's name for the alliance of individuals from several nations working to undermine everything. The post you quote was about Black Court, not Black Council.
Not confusing, merely misreading.  As far as the Black Court goes, since unless killed they live forever why do they need any elders?  They have a couple of leaders at the moment, Drakul and Mavra.

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Eh. It seems to me this was a battle where Heaven and Hell were on the same side. After all, Marcone gave Harry the blood he needed.

Well, at least Marcone was at the time, Chicago is his city.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Black Court Missing Elders (Newbie first post)
« on: April 01, 2022, 02:19:39 PM »
well j calls Drakul something monstrous stuck in human form. Doubt he's strictly a vampire. Though. His  son was the one
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Made the BC. Though I do find it intriguing that Drakul can make undead vampires even if maybe he,'s not one himself. I assume his son was the King 👑 of  the BC. Will be interesting to hear to their backstory. And if Jim does a strictly BC book then Kincaid HAS to be involved since he might be something similar to his former boss himself. A scion of a human and something monstrous. Though to be fair we don't know if Drakul is really a scion.

But I don't think anything was said about him being a member of the Black Council.. Again lots of talk about, but no substance as to whether or not it really exists.. Oh I think there is some kind of connection, or at least perhaps some of the factions have was looks like the same aims but that doesn't mean they are part of a group called the Black Council.

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If you want to know what the council fears, look at what Butcher has done with Harry.  He controls a prison that is so dangerous that it has a fail safe designed to destroy the Great Lakes area. He accepts no judgement but his own.  He has a temper of epic proportions and if provoked could  commit murder with magic and would feel no guilt while doing so. He committed genocide.  I think that covers the bases.

I wouldn't sit next to him on a bus and if I  lived in Chicago I would move to Miami. 8)

I think it's a bit of an exaggeration.  Harry accepts Michael's judgement for the most part, he did trust Murphy's until she died, I think he'd trust Mac as well.  He has shown moderation in his judgement as far as the prison and handling the artifacts go.  Yes, he totally lost it after he saw the woman he loved senselessly gunned down, which is understandable.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Black Court Missing Elders (Newbie first post)
« on: March 31, 2022, 06:34:18 PM »


  I might be wrong, but who or what the "Black Court" is has never really been spelled out.  In the beginning Harry called them that, then wasn't that changed to "the Circle" or something like that in later books?  We know they are bad asses, but just who and with whom they are allied with, is mostly a mystery. Lots of guesses, but no one really knows

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