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DF Spoilers / Re: A Way to Demonreach
« on: September 01, 2021, 01:43:06 AM »
From a Doylist perspective, the boat ride is usually good for framing a chapter of dialog and exposition with the narrator's companions, with the possibility of an action chapter off of being attacked in transit by hostile faeries, sea monsters, or Outsiders.

I suppose walking the Ways could substitute, but that's more likely to lean toward being attacked than talking. And Turn Coat kind of emphasized it's not smart to talk about anything sensitive in there, as anything might be listening and it's a distraction from being ready to fight anything that goes bump in the night.

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DF Spoilers / Re: If Eb dies
« on: August 30, 2021, 07:45:46 PM »
Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on August 29, 2021, 10:25:25 PM
Most likely, only Bonea would be able to read them as they wouldn't be in modern English and it would be older than even Bob would have experience with.

Unless a lot of it was written in cipher on purpose, why would Bob have trouble with Latin or Greek? Merlin's career wouldn't have started much more than maybe a couple hundred years BC, and the languages then aren't forgotten mysteries now.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months therapist
« on: August 30, 2021, 07:38:09 PM »
Quote from: The_Sibelis on August 30, 2021, 04:16:46 AM
Idk, with his separation from the council, I think he'll send River Shoulders to tell him a thing or two

Yeah, I figure that was introduced as a substitute because LtW would now get in trouble for getting too close to someone the Council has excommunicated.

He's probably also not going to be very mobile to come to Harry, and Harry isn't welcome at HQ.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
« on: August 26, 2021, 04:26:16 PM »
Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2021, 02:26:15 PM
While any of the Denarians may be able to use Magic only one, other than Thorned Namshiel does, and she was taught by Namshiel.

Two, actually. Rosanna favours Hellfire, and Tessa seems to have a broader range of abilities.

Lasciel with a future host traveling back in time to attack Arctis Tor is theoretically possible to keep in mind, too, but has essentially nothing to support it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: I can see why some of the gods would be in pro wrestling
« on: August 25, 2021, 08:38:20 PM »
Quote from: Yuillegan on August 25, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
I mean, maybe...we know that the gods are not even 100% on their own creation stories. Creation really messed up their memories of Before Creation. Many of the gods were omnipotent and eternal. Ra, Atum, Odin, Ahura Mazda, Ptah, Neith, Izanagi, Izanami, the Rainbow Serpent, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Devi, Enki and many more are considered creators in their own stories. I'd say most of them existed before Creation began. Jim did say that the reason most of the stories conflict is because the act of Creation was so powerful and different they have trouble reconciling it with how things were Before (especially in an existence that predated cause and effect).

I suppose it only makes sense that if the universe is the bright loud house party the Outsiders have been prosecuting a cosmic noise complaint against, the welcomed attendees are going to be a bit foggy on some details by now. Who hasn't been there?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Apocalypse is a frame of mind
« on: August 24, 2021, 05:32:59 PM »
Quote from: Mira on August 23, 2021, 05:54:27 PM
What Nic and HWWB are saying it is more of a slow rotting from with in.  Institutions are broken down little by little, loss of faith in those institutions, collapse from with in, the inability to resist outside attacks.

Huh. The popcorn, escapist wizard detective novels are getting kinda 'relevant message' after all. That's a bit of a disturbing take on it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who summoned the Cornerhounds?
« on: August 24, 2021, 04:50:44 PM »
Quote from: Mira on August 24, 2021, 01:55:26 PM
I can see a real split happening, hard to tell whether or not Eb would surrender the Black Staff, but I see him in the next book showing up at the castle telling Harry he quit and is now backing him.  It may take a little longer for Listens to Wind and Rashid, but I see them following suit.

I can't. He's not going to get over Harry being engaged to Lara.

One of the narrative purposes of that plot arc is probably going to be driving the wedge between Harry and Eb even deeper.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Kind of confused about Old Ones and Outsiders
« on: August 24, 2021, 03:57:08 PM »
In the flashback in GS, when Harry told the Walker this isn't his world, it replied that it once was and will soon be again.

I think the difference between the outsiders and the Old Ones who were kicked Outside at the moment of creation (presumably by TWG) is one of stature, not separate factions where one works for the other. The Old Ones rule, the Outsiders serve, but they're the same overall pantheon.

Part of the Outsider agenda is presumably rescuing / waking the rest of their rulership caste like the Sleeper.

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DF Spoilers / Re: So are the Svartalves going to be at war with the White Court?
« on: August 22, 2021, 10:54:43 PM »
Quote from: Ed0517 on August 20, 2021, 02:01:19 AM
the spies do not have to be Svaltalves. Did Harry have a spy in the White Court? Sure he did - Justine. The White Court didn't find her.

I find it really difficult to believe Lara wouldn't have predicted Thomas' lover would share information with him, and given that Thomas was closer to Harry than to the Raiths for a good part of the time since BR, anything that concerned him would probably have reached him. Lara isn't dumb, and that wasn't anywhere near as subtle a spy placement as Harry seemed to think.

Lara saw Justine as useful because she couldn't be whammied by anyone else in the court and would generally support Lara because Lara was looking out for her beloved Thomas, but I really doubt she was ignorant of Justine's allegiances. I think anything Justine saw was filtered through 1) does Lara mind if Harry sees it? 2) can Lara benefit from Justine unwittingly passing misinformation to Harry on this topic?

The latter may have been an unintended blessing, because while Harry actually didn't ask Justine for much out of concern for her safety, Lara was probably showing her enough disinformation as a precaution that Nemesis would have got a fair bit of fake mixed in with the real material.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who summoned the Cornerhounds?
« on: August 22, 2021, 04:56:09 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on August 22, 2021, 05:16:20 AM
One thing to consider is that Justine/Nemesis has a wizard ally capable of summoning Outsiders....  Listen could be that person.  He's a Starborn....  Perhaps that's why he betrayed Ethniu, because he's an agent of Nemesis.  Morgan was worried that Harry, as a Starborn was an "agent of Nemesis".

WOJ was that starborn don't have to worry about being hijacked by Nemesis, although I suppose Listen could have made a deal to serve their side willingly as Harry has been offered a few times. I don't think he's shown any talent whatsoever,  though - he was giving Molly trouble just by being an intelligent warrior (sort of like dark side anti-Murphy). I don't think she'd have done even as well as she did as the Rag Lady against him if he had magic too.

Could just be that long-term nemfected try to get a Circle / Black Council ally near them (or on call to be able to get near them on short notice through the Ways) to handle this sort of thing for them.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Outsiders origins
« on: August 18, 2021, 06:53:56 PM »
Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 18, 2021, 04:38:35 AM
Like Serack's Theory, I think there was a balance of Order and Chaos in a space, and TWG separated the two, with Order staying inside and Chaos going out. And just like Avatars were made out of Order on the Inside, Avatars were made of out of Chaos on the Outside.

Something along those lines, yeah. Primordial chaos.

But also, the Outsiders are the servants of the Old Ones ... who are still inside. The Walkers aren't the pinnacle of the lovecraftian pantheon, they're the knights of the even higher powers that were put to sleep in lieu of casting them outside.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How long did Thomas know?
« on: August 16, 2021, 08:13:44 PM »
Quote from: Basil on August 15, 2021, 05:32:27 AM
This, I think in retrospect, was supposed to be a clue for Harry.  Harry was supposed to realize that someone used the baby as leverage, and so Harry was supposed to then figure out who knew that Justine was pregnant.  This is a small pool of people that probably only included Lara and Justine.  Lara can be immediately ruled out because of all the trouble this has caused the White Court, leaving us with ... Justine as the only suspect.  As Holmes says, "Once you've ruled out the impossible then whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth."

Pretty weak clue. A lot of us thought in between PT and BG that the hit was the price of making a deal with something powerful to make sure the baby didn't kill Justine. Which was sort of a 'well, yes, but actually no' situation. Lampshading the inherent danger of carrying a whampire baby and saying he had a plan for that ended up being a distraction from the much more immediate threat that Nemesis could just make Justine jump out a window or something if Thomas didn't play ball.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Justine Been Faking It All Along?
« on: August 16, 2021, 02:46:02 AM »
Quote from: Mira on August 13, 2021, 04:08:01 PM
First question, were they or weren't they in true love at that time?  Because if they were, all Justine would have done was burn Thomas up.  And actually if he suspected it, and as we know wanted to get rid of his son, that might be why Lord Raith sent Justine to him. 

In BR the protection seemed to require an act of self-sacrifice to set up. Thomas' little sister was able to get away from the Raiths because the guy who was going to be her first took a bullet for her. Justine was willing to die to save Thomas, and he risked his life stopping feeding on her.

The sacrifice requirement seems to have been softened a bit in later installments.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Harry become a signatory to the Accords?
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:15:19 AM »
I think there was a WOJ about whether the Paranet could sign up. Basically they'd have to win some fights before they'd build sufficient respect. Teaming up with the Librarians could help, but that's at best a long-term prospect since the Librarians are supposed to be really careful about not even being noticed by any supes. Plus, there's a national organization, and while the Paranet are centered in the US, they are to some extent trans-national - that's an additional dimension of obstacle.

Applying as a freeholding lord would also be tricky - the Council would lean on other signatories not to support him because it's an end-run around being expelled, and Marcone would exert similar pressure because signing up a Wizard of Chicago introduces uncertainty about whether Chicago is the territory of the Wizard or the Baron, and Mab's attitude toward it would be a coin-toss between liking a knight with a power base and disliking too much independence. 

Warden of Demonreach might have more juice to get recognized than Wizard of Chicago, but announcing that one any wider than it's already known is probably a bad move. He's not going to be able to sucker-punch anyone else too stupid or arrogant to realize the danger of imprisonment.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab's word play about the White Court
« on: August 09, 2021, 12:46:50 AM »
Quote from: The_Sibelis on August 08, 2021, 07:09:35 AM
* Although... Mab has a habit of putting Harry in tight spaces with things she believes could be comprised too..

Justine's infection was probably either from when she was a prisoner at Bianca's, or from someone in the white court. I'm not sure what motive there would be to infect someone they were intending for Susan to kill to complete her transformation ... so, perhaps Mab is playing the odds and throwing a grenade into the nest to flush out the other Nemfected who turned Justine.

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