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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: March 12, 2025, 03:17:56 PM »
Didn’t Molly mention having significant financial resources as Winter Lady …

Molly does have significant financial resources.
I'm not _at all_ clear that she didn't earn those herself.  I rather suspect she did not inherit any "Winter Lady Wealth" per se.

She gets the asset of Arctis Minor (which sits in the Nevernever, and she cannot sell), and she gets the powers of the Winter Lady's Mantle.

But a smart girl like Molly can leverage these things to an incredible degree.  I expect she could have become a multi-millionaire within a month of Mab releasing her from whatever "basic training" she had imposed.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: March 12, 2025, 03:10:26 PM »
... because it would make Harry more effective and efficient as Winter Knight shouldn’t Harry ask Mab about a salary or financial resources available to him as Winter Knight? ...
Jim has directly addressed this if I remember correctly. Harry asked for and got the ability to save Maggie ...

Yeah, this.

Harry gets everything he bargained for there under the stars, at the Stone Table.

Everything.

And not a single bit more.

(except a tiny bit here or there, as he manages to leverage new points by virtue of being the Winter Knight and having understanding of Faerie Law and Winter Law (e.g. Mab was annoyed with him for summoning her to Judgement in Talvi Inverno's office, but it was a correct use of Winter Law by the Winter Knight; so she was compelled to do it).  salary is nowhere in this. )
 

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The one I'm most looking forward to is seeing what equivalent upgrades darkside Harry got that lets him take on the Winter Knight in a duel
IIRC there's a WoJ saying that mirror!Harry is closely-allied with Mavra.
Suggests to me that he likely leaned-in on the necromancy.

If I recall correctly the "point of divergence" is supposed to be some event towards the end of Grave Peril.
I'm pretty sure this is correct, yes; specifically, it's a choice Harry makes.

Exactly what choice Harry makes -- the critical divergence -- is, I think, an important issue.

Suppose he takes Bianca's deal -- having "cost" Bianca her playmate, he lets Bianca take the (already half-turned) Susan from him.  Immediate consequence -- Susan is a fully-turned Rampire, and Harry's self-image is "I traded-away the woman I loved, to be safe."  Note this choice is actually foreshadowed in the book:  Jim wrote how hopeless and defeated Harry was feeling.

He didn't expect to win that fight; it was a last-ditch moment of inspiration to summon all the shades of the Rampire victims to get revenge (and a startlingly powerful act of necromancy, given how untrained / unpracticed Harry was; he's clearly a natural with necromancy!).

I'm sure many of us can project all sorts of futures from that divergence.

On the other hand, let's take the choice at the very end:  after all the action's over, Harry tracks Susan to a beach.  They talk; she leaves.

Suppose he didn't let her, argued/persuaded/cajoled, "let's just try, for a bit, you can always leave if it's not working," and half-Ramp Susan stayed in Chicago.  But, without going down to Latin America, she likely never came to the attention of the Order of St Giles, never got their specialized half-Rampire training, etc.  No Maggie Jr, no Red-Court Takedown at Chichen Itza.  I bet the Reds won the war against the White Council; maybe (probably) a few WC wizards survived... they likely all hate Dresden's guts for starting the war.

Etc...  I think I've seen at least half a dozen different "critical choices" proposed, with more or less convincing arguments.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Blood Rites foreshadowing
« on: March 06, 2025, 02:41:23 AM »
... he couldn't touch her unless she wore a rubber suit to protect him from being burned.. It wasn't until she had sex with another that that changed and then she could have sex once more with Thomas.. However if it was always that simple, why didn't she do it sooner? ...

This bothers me, too.

Not just with the Thomas/Justine:  why TF is this (obvious) method not part of the toolkit that every whampire knows??!?

They use sex for feeding their Hunger... but also as a critical tool for political power.
They're used to thinking of sex, and sexual permutations, as tools.
They have zero expectations of sexual fidelity:  each Whampire has multiple kine, and many kine get passed around amongst the Whamps; gifted, loaned, traded, &c.

They know of "sex outside of love" as the "magic key" to get past the "True Love" protections.
They should know "have willing, friendly sex to break TL protections" and then renew said protections (when they make love to their TL) as the way to move forward.

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No, both Susan and Murphy are now dead, give Harry his time to mourn and feel guilty and let's moved on.  There are plenty of dangling plot lines that haven't been resolved that could be addressed.  While perhaps they couldn't be resolved in the alternative plot line, they can teach Harry a lesson.
I expect so see both nods to the ST:TOS "Mirror Mirror" episode, and the old Jimmy Stewart "It's a Wonderful Life" movie:  Harry will get to see some of the upsides of him having been stubbornly a "Good Guy," by was of how much darker Mirror!Harry's Chicago is.

Murphy, in particular -- stuck in SI getting Black Cat cases, but without a reliable ally/guide in Harry Dresden.  Mirror!Murphy will know Mirror!Harry as one of the Bad Guys. 

She'll be a harder, colder, less-trusting Murphy.  One with less hope.  Fighting against the encroaching darkness without any of the info she got from Harry.

A very, very different person... named Karrin Murphy.
 

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... Hate to say now that I'm typing this but somehow in the mirror universe book Murphy comes back..... it would try my patience.

100% expecting both Murphy and Susan to come back.
Maximum Harry-torment, you see -- tormenting Harry is the foundation of Jim's career, after all

Susan's going to be a fully-turned whampire, I think (or else a black-hat partner to Evil!Harry (or both?)).
Murphy will see Evil!Harry as fully-onboard with TeamEvil(tm)... and thus have zero trust for Harry!Prime.
Maximum Harry-torment, you see.

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DFRPG / Re: Character Refresh and Stats?
« on: February 27, 2025, 11:04:42 PM »
Hey-hey, there's life in the ol' dog yet!  (why tf the DFRPG isn't doing better, I'll never know... Jim Butcher is still writing 'em (albeit with a substantive lacuna before the massive PT/BG-duology)
SNIP a very interesting read, TYVM!
Wonderful stuff!

Ooh I like the catch of not working during times of Peace. I've been searching for a reason he would be involved in each and every war.
There's always some war going... somewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars

I think the Catch would need to have them directly involved, working for one side and/or against the other side.  They may (or may not) have some other agenda, for which the current war is more of a smokescreen or cover-story... Or, maybe they don't.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Blood Rites foreshadowing
« on: February 27, 2025, 03:06:29 PM »
I'm curious how long Lord Raith's Outsider magic immunity continues once Harry digs into the Raith household and library of the arcane. His mind is probably close to gone at this point, but magically, he's probably still immune.

Perhaps Mab is tracing the Outside connection. ??? We shall see.

There's Papa Raith's immunity, Vitto's Outsider-summoning (that disabled dozens of potent Earthly minds),
and the fact that Justine seemingly got Nemfected from hanging around Lara (and thus, Raith's Outsider Library) ... once (they say) is bad luck; twice is a coincidence; three times is enemy action.

The Outsiders have deeply-infiltrated the Whampires.

Mab is tossing a Dresden Grenade into that bunker.

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DF Spoilers / Re: “All of Winter” in Proven Guilty
« on: February 27, 2025, 02:50:36 PM »
I don't recall reading about her. She wasn't in Mab's Sidhe legion that got glamoured, she wasn't in Molly's reinforcements.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Lea was being Mab's proxy at the Outer Gates.

Because early on in the story, there was a big assault at the Outer Gates, evidently in coordination with Ethniu's assault (Harry remarked on it being telling, who (among the factions in Chicago for Peace Talks) appeared to notice & understand the implications); everyone seemed to think that (if all those Outer Gates forces were not urgently engaged) Winter could reasonably have shut down the entirety of the Fomor assault with no other help (though of course Ethniu & the Eye would always need something exceptional).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months stuck?
« on: February 10, 2025, 01:12:38 AM »

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months stuck?
« on: February 10, 2025, 01:11:21 AM »
Super excited for a new Dresden novel. 

It would be nice to have an amazon placeholder for Twelve Months so it can be saved on TBR lists.  Any idea how to request the publisher to create one?

If I had to guess, I'd guess that Amazon does that based upon word from the boring bean-counters at the publishers, not the fickle & flighty remarks of creatives like authors (whose profession it is to invent falsity).

Fortunately for me, I don't have to guess!

Unfortunately for all y'all, I've done so anyhow ...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Speculation: Was Kemmler like Harry?
« on: February 03, 2025, 04:39:38 PM »
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Why did it get so far?  Why was in only in freaking 1961 that the Council finally punched Kemmler's ticket, after all that?  World War I ran from 1914 to 1918/19 (depending on when you count it ending) and its aftereffects went on for decades.  Necromancy is a straight Law violation in itself ...
Note that they tried before, according to Bob.
But also note that Kemmler was naturally strong with life&death magics (burly, like Harry is with Force and Fire (and Earth).

I don't think the Council knew how to kill Kemmler; how to bypass the protections Kemmler was using, the "mostly-dead-isn't-all-the-way-dead" tricks, etc... 1961 was them finally pulling out all the stops, not just "killing" him but applying absurd levels of overkill (not just force, but post-killing magical efforts to prevent all the ways of coming back).

... What I'm getting at here is to ask, given the Council's chop-happy approach to the Laws, how is it that Kemmler wasn't neutralized fairly early, while it would still have been relatively easy?

Kemmler was a known necromancer at least as far back as 1883 (Warden (pre-Captain) Luccio fought him in one of the short stories, A Fistful of Warlocks).

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DF Spoilers / Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« on: February 03, 2025, 04:03:28 PM »
... she doesn't want any crap from him...

It's not a matter of "want" -- The Queenmantles are much stronger than the Knightmantles.
And Mab has been subject to one for about 1000 years.

Mab cannot help but punish Dresden's defiance; the demands of the Mantle are her ever-fixed mark.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Lash still be alive?
« on: February 03, 2025, 03:55:44 PM »
I too have suspicions; not of "Lash" surviving, but Lasciel's Shadow.

The core purpose of the Knights of the Cross, after all, is specifically to oppose the Knights of the Blackened Denarius (and to save the mortals who have taken up the coin).

Only 2 of the Swords are wielded at the moment.  Both Knights were in play at the Battle of Chicago...  And, very specifically:  across the entirety of the battlefield, both came to that little alleyway  to fight against Harry Dresden when he lost his temper and would have killed Rudy.

Uncontrolled rage was one of the early signs of the Shadow getting into Harry's mind, influencing his actions.  We can say "But the Knightmantle..." and we can say "But watching Murphy die..." and neither of those is demonstrably "wrong" at all; but also, what if those are just "excuses" that Jim wants us to accept?

I return  to my central observation:  all of the Knights in the world were in the field at that moment to stop Harry Dresden; the Knights whose core purpose is to oppose the Denarians.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« on: February 03, 2025, 03:51:24 AM »
Yes, as Queen, Mab does outrank her Knight, Harry, but when has a little thing like that stopped Harry?  No, she was giving him a firm lesson on who is the boss.
My point, though, is that I don't think the Winterqueen mantle permits Mab to allow the bearer of the Winterknight mantle to perform certain kinds of defiance; at least, not without rebuking him.

She actually likes his defiance... "finally," she says, "a knight who's worth the effort."

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