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DF Spoilers / Re: Odin's Raven's
« on: August 03, 2021, 03:51:57 AM »
Haven't we met them as his personal assistants outside his office?
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Maeve's protection was predicated on the idea that no other person in that circle had been prepped to make her a target for the mantle once Sarissa had the Summer mantle. Murphy wasn't and Justine could not have been. Sarissa's training with Harry by Mab and Molly's by Lea are almost exactly the same. The military calls that lighting the target. But you are correct in that this foreshadows Justine haven been taken.I don't think her becoming assistant was too suspicious, but the stability without Thomas feeding from her too calm her should have been.
As readers we should have suspected when Justine became Lara's assistant. Prior to that she wasn't exactly tied real tight.
Sarissa was already out of play by that point. She's received the Summer Lady mantle, which left two viable candidates. She identified them both, and we just didn't realize at the time that Justine was the "instrument of some foe".
Possible, but let's not forget Maeve's "mommy issues," how jealous she was of the relationship between Sarissa and Mab. When the Summer Mantle went to Sarissa it forever put a wall between her and Mab. Or at least in Maeve's eyes it did and that was sweet revenge, though as we've learned from Christmas Eve, apparently Mab and Sarissa still have a good relationship.
I think it all rests on understanding if Molly really was clueless.I think Molly is doing a good job, and Mab is satisfied in her progress.
I think, fundamentally, Mab gambled better than Maeve there - Molly is a good Lady, even if she has a learning curve.
Molly was the fallback for an outcome that Mab couldn't foresee. When Lily was killed and Sarrisa assumed the mantle Maeve was blind to what she didn't want to see, that Mab had outmaneuvered her again. But Mab knew that, where Harry was, Molly was. Mab won. The mantle was never in danger. The hapless mortal would have been Murphy, Justine was Maeve's ally.No, we're led to believe that she was blind to it. But she knew the mantle could be taken by a mortal or by Justine. She thought the threat was enough to spare her in the moment, and she was wrong about that. But she was on point with the options.
Yup, Molly was the fall back, but Mab meant for her to be the Summer Lady and Sarissa the Winter Lady, but it didn't work out that way. Maeve thought she won because she thought she was breaking up the mother/daughter relationship she has always been so jealous of.I don't think Mab meant for Molly to be summer lady, she just said she thought it would suit her better. But I think Molly was the backup for Sarissa and Lily, if either as lady couldn't function. I think she thought she'd have more time to prepare Molly, but she was on the board just in case. And she was used as needed.
Probably. Watch the ones whose lips are not moving rightly.It's also interesting to see that Maeve sings solo at the end, "And many more." She might have really wanted that, if she thought she could turn him. Or she might not have, and lied in song in front of everyone.
“Oh, oh!” Maeve said, her body twisting into a
spontaneous little dance of pure glee. “You never
saw that coming, did you, Mother? It never even
occurred to you, did it?” Her own eyes widened in
lunatic intensity. “And how will you slay me now?
Whither would my mantle go? Where is the nearest
vessel now? Some hapless mortal, perhaps,
ignorant of its true nature? The instrument of
some foe of yours, in alliance with me, ready to
steal away the mantle and leave you vulnerable?”
Maeve giggled. “I can play chess too, Mother.
Better now than ever you could. And I am now less
a liability to you alive than dead.”
I expect the ending will be a bit more optimistic than that.I think the end will be a new world a lot like this one, but with magic openly practiced and the supernatural public knowledge. Where Harry won't be the only wizard in the book.
I expect society to collapse, and then a period of darkness (a post-apocalyptic world) and then maybe, a renewed world. But probably not much like our world. Assuming the second coming or some such doesn't happen and everyone goes to Paradise.I think things will break at the end of the case files, be very bad and apocalyptic during the big apocalyptic trilogy (it's in the name, so), and then just starting to rebuild at the end in the epilogue.
It all depends on how it was done, I think.Now that his age is indefinite, it's all but impossible to pin down any facts.
Jim said that when Athena popped out of Zeus' head, he created a body for her to be in. Harry couldn't do that for Bonnea in the same way so they had to use Bob's back-up skull.
So did Drakul create a body, or possess one, or is it the combination of a starborn ascending and that being taking shape? The answer is very important I think.
You're onto something with the ectoplasm versus real body. I believe that's part of how beings like Vadderung and Drakul can affect the universe in a big way, that non-mortals can't. I don't know if they get free will when going mortal...but I wouldn't be surprised if their will becomes "freer". I also suspect it require less energy from them to maintain a mortal body than an ectoplasm one and it can't be cut-off or banished as easily as an ectoplasm body. Uriel, Ethniu and others don't use ectoplasm bodies though, so it does make you wonder if their bodies are those spirit+flesh bodies mentioned and never talked about again in Fool Moon. If so, why doesn't Drakul do that?
Seem it could be he was looking for protection from the other powers by hiding in a mortal body. But I think it's more likely it offers an advantage that an immortal body doesn't. Mab hinted this when she told Dresden immortality is no substitute for intelligence. Ethniu hints at this when she muses why Vadderung is so mortal now...and suggests it's because he thinks he is deep in the "game".
All good, it was fairly recent information.
Yes, I think that's the salient point. Has Drakul been body-hopping or did he get stuck early on in human history, maybe in his first body, and holding various personas over time in the one body? I think there isn't enough information as yet to make a clear decision. There is merit in both ideas. My gut feeling is that he got trapped in his original starborn body back in the day - somehow that just feels right. Which makes it all the more impressive he is still running around.
Black Court simply struck me as the original condition and other vampires were simply other variants. But I am less leaning to Drakul being the sole creator of all the vampires and rather just the father of the Black Court. While there are connections, he doesn't display obvious Red Court and White Court tendencies or characteristics (excluding the Willpower attack - but I think that's another thing...). I do think though that he offered a worthy opponent a long time ago what Drakul described as "the dark gift of immortality" in exchange for servitude. That's how he started the Black Court, I think.
Yeah, I don't think he's Luci. It would both be too obvious and not make sense for all the reasons you stated and more. The Demon Lord theory now seems the most likely.
The Apocalypse reference is a good one. It makes a fair bit of sense. I can see Vadderung as a Prof X type and perhaps Nicodemus or Marcone as a Magneto type, working together to defeat him. Certainly a vibe.
It would be good to try and make a list of candidates for possible personas that Drakul has held. I will think on it.
Vlad II Drakul is also a bad fit for the previous starborn cycle, which has to have been in the early 1300's where Vlad II was a boy in 1395 (counting 1970-666 gives 1304; not sure I remember Harry's birth year, but definitely not right for a boy of 1395).Yeah, none of the three Vlads fit the cycle, so something else had to be going on. Based on the Butcher comment in the podcast, it seems likely that Drakul isn't from the last cycle, but instead a previous one.
My opinion is Drakul is the son of Loki, Fenrir. The hint to me was when he said "I like this much better" and transformed into a wolf that was taller than Dresden at the shoulders.Turning into a wolf seemed more like typical vampire magic from Stoker, but I suppose it could be a clue. There's just little else to connect the two.
Also reading more about him, Fenrir was bound by the other gods (because he was growing too powerful, and it was predicted he'd kill Odin). Drakul is "something else" trapped in mortal form. There is a chance that the only way to actually bind his power was to trap him in a mortal form. Fenrir is also supposed to kill Odin, so it would make sense for him to be in the books.
There is another child of Loki who is The World Snake. I think it would be cool if The World Snake and Fenrir were one in the same, but don't know if that's the case. Drakul could be The World Snake as well.
Loki has three children. Fenrir, Hel, and Jörmungandr (the world snake). I'm hoping all three make an appearance but believe Drakul is either Fenrir or Jörmungandr.
I will add that because Fenrir was born, he in theory could also be a Starborn.
Dracula (son of Drakul) was also known to change into a wolf. The son of Fenrir would probably take a similar form as his father.
My belief is that Drakul's goal is to release his father, and brother, and conquer reality.
Both of the above statements are paraphrased from Jim's interview with the Dresden Files podcast (ep 77).I hadn't read that yet, so thanks for that. It helps.
I also am assuming you mean the Black Court vampires when you say the strigoi?Yeah, my guess is that in the Dresdenverse, Drakul toyed around with making Blamps, either from a proto-strigoi creature or a strix.
I agree that him being Luci is unlikely, as that would make the power use in Small Favor difficult. Hard to believe he'd help the denarians with that but not associate with them otherwise.
The likelihood I think is that Drakul has been the source of many ‘outcast’ myths and legends, and whilst I doubt that he is Lucifer, he may be an outcast god or several gods such as Mars, Ares, Loki etc, as well as a host of other monsters shunned by mortal man.