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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone and the thorned one
« on: October 28, 2021, 11:30:08 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on October 15, 2021, 04:10:35 AM
I just think that he worked really well with Namshiel.  Something I don't know would have happened if it was their first joining.

Plus, the fallen seem to need at least some degree of magical potential in the host to work through. Marcone didn't have much to start with - he needed "the magical equivalent of a nine volt battery" just to make a defensive circle in Even Hand work. He's pretty clearly got less innate in the tank than Butters. I don't think going from shadow to full Denarian on the spot would have been enough for Namshiel to work with - I suspect they've been working hand in glove on buffing his horsepower for some time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone the Informant
« on: October 25, 2021, 11:16:43 PM »
Quote from: vincentric on October 25, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
Also informants work for the government so the government can use them to land bigger fish. The only possible bigger fish is Dresdenverse Chicago is Lara/House Raith.

He's got national and international connections - dealings with coastal organized crime, and at least one of the southern organizations per the Grey short story.

In favour of the hypothetical deal argument, the government's interest might not be so much in bigger organizations as worse ones. It's lampshaded multiple times that even those in Chicago he can't bribe are reluctant to try too hard to bring him down just because less organized crime that aren't as concerned with limiting collateral damage or enforcing 'no kids' would just fill the void if they succeeded.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone the Informant
« on: October 25, 2021, 01:01:18 AM »
Quote from: Con on October 24, 2021, 10:08:36 PM
I mean tbf Marcone seems to view most net losses as just mildly inconvenient.

Sure, I'm just saying the extent of his corruption network in-story is probably a lot bigger than any parallels in real-world organized crime subversion of the US judicial and political system. I don't think we can draw conclusions that he's got too much pull for it not to indicate a deal, because his corruption influence is essentially however wide it needs to be for narrative convenience.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone the Informant
« on: October 24, 2021, 03:19:08 PM »
He might. But his influence through plain corruption is pretty vast.

That Goodman Grey story where Grey's secretary takes out a bunch of VIP's who'd been clients of the child brothel Marcone wanted an example made of ... something like a dozen of them were under Marcone's thumb, and he treats losing them as just a moderate inconvenience.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why did Bob never spot Bonnie growing?
« on: October 21, 2021, 12:23:20 AM »
Quote from: Monkez on September 24, 2021, 08:18:51 AM
The only reason why we know that Mab wants to find Bob is because Bob said so.  For all we know, Bob could be a mole under the control of Leanansidhe (and thus Mab) when Lea helped Harry defeat DuMorne.  Remember, we only know what Harry knows. :)

The fact that Bob asked for a backup skull right around the time when Bonea would need a place of her own to occupy is highly suspect and way too much of a coincidence.  In my opinion, this is an example of Bob helping Harry (and maybe passively resisting Mab's instructions) without Harry being aware of it.


We don't know that Mab really wants Bob gone, although I tend to read it that he sincerely believes she does.

I think she's perfectly happy to see him making her vassal smarter and stronger, so long as he's afraid enough of her to keep his head down and his mouth shut about what Halloween means to immortals. Her whole scheme in CD depended on Harry getting the information he needed to know from Bob, though ... it falls apart without him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: How different would things have been if Harry had…
« on: October 20, 2021, 07:04:46 PM »
Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2021, 06:23:54 PM
I don't think that would have made any difference.  Harry would still be Winter Knight, he'd still have asked Molly to aid his suicide, and Molly still would have insisted on going with Harry I think.  I don't think she allow Carlos to be chosen over her.  Her attitudes wouldn't have been different either.

I agree she would still have insisted on going. If Carlos had been there in addition, though, I expect he'd have stepped up to take over her apprenticeship when Harry pseudo-died.

He probably would have been on the team anyway if he hadn't been detained by Christos. It's not like Harry really had an option to bring him to CI.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A reason Dresden was kicked from the White Council
« on: October 20, 2021, 01:33:54 AM »
If Langtry is thinking that he's going to set Harry up as a double agent among the Black Council, he's sorely barking up the wrong tree. They've already made their recruitment pitch and been rebuffed.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas's Cell
« on: October 19, 2021, 12:29:22 PM »
Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on October 16, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
On that basis I fancy Michael Scot/Scotus The Wizard of the North, nice dubious date and place of birth so he could given a Wizards lifespan have been around a couple of centuries earlier under a different name. Had a habit of wearing a skull cap made of iron (the perfect contraceptive for a Fae muse, or to stop his mind being read) and has links in folklore to the Redcap.

We know JB likes his pop culture references. Some heavyweight coming out of stasis and not understanding all the references to The Office that other characters are making would be a good gag.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What Would Vadderung Do?
« on: October 08, 2021, 01:56:39 PM »
I don't think Vadderung would do anything. He stood in defense of the city when the Titan offered him the opportunity to leave unmolested - that's his contribution. The generosity is Kringle's domain - he doesn't need to balance it from his other 'hat' too.

And I don't think he has any particular desire to see the masquerade pulled apart any further than it already was, or antagonize the Council by setting up a rival organization that would appear to be around Harry after they exiled him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who will be the next Blackstaff? (If Eb dies)
« on: October 06, 2021, 01:49:40 AM »
Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on October 02, 2021, 11:56:21 AM
Again foreshadowing, Thomas was always going to feed on Molly, and she was always going to let him.

The idea is to heal him, not have him beaten and clawed the rest of the way to death.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mistakes Harry has made that will come back
« on: October 06, 2021, 12:45:18 AM »
Quote from: morriswalters on October 05, 2021, 09:05:45 PM
The Sword didn't shock Harry.  It burned him, leaving the scent of brimstone.  And it forced Harry to see through Rudolph's  eyes.

It meant to hurt him enough to bring him to his senses rather than permanently damage him, though. That's what I mean by shock.

I read the brimstone scent as from him. If he'd pulled on soulfire at that moment, he'd have been using the other 'side of the coin'.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mistakes Harry has made that will come back
« on: October 05, 2021, 06:54:14 PM »
Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 04, 2021, 08:52:52 PM
Ehhh, the swords aren't made to intercept evil acts though. They facilitate choice. The only time I can think of them ever injuring a normal mortal is SmF, where iirc Michael shoves it through a door with a gunman on the other side(might be confabulating it with him doing the same to a Hob.. 🤔🤷‍♂️ )
For the swords to have specific sway and purpose there, as the arrival of Sanya would make it appear, then something fishy had to be going on on one end or another. Either Rudolph was innocent and the Lie itself was the abrogation of freedom, or Harry's reaction wasn't entirely on center. Which, even without specific interference the heightened magic in the air could have been driving his emotional reaction. Harry's act may have been evil, using defensive magic to kill might have been a twisting of creation itself. But Harry's human, he's allowed to error. He's allowed to accidentally burn down a building full of vampires and probably kill many of their impaired victims. Michael was right there, nobody stopped that. This situation HAD to have a quantifiable difference.

It was Death Masks where Michael killed one of the tongueless foot soldiers in the airport.

Though we can't really assume the faithsabre plays by the same rules as the physical Swords anymore - they don't HAVE a 'shock' setting. It's either use them worthily and they're supernaturally powerful, or use them wrongly and they're just metal, with their supernatural protection compromised thereafter by the act. Precedent isn't entirely useful here - all we can interpret is that a burn that shocked Harry out of doing something wrongful was considered worthy enough that the blade did anything at all. Maybe the there was something hinky about the situation that wasn't immediately clear, like someone else gave Rudolph a case of the brain scramblies to precipitate killing Murphy, or maybe the angel in the sword has latitude to do that kind of thing all the time now that this particular sword is in noncorporeal form.

I wonder if using earth to trap Rudy's feet in the asphalt and staking him out in front of the Fomor to finish him off would have generated the same response as squashing him with a shield. Arguably the latter wouldn't have violated the first law (any more than the Wardens binding someone so they can't resist a physical murder), but presumably heaven would still take a similarly dim view of it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who will be the next Blackstaff? (If Eb dies)
« on: October 01, 2021, 03:26:44 AM »
Depends whether the Blackstaff choosing the heir means the bearer, or the artefact itself.

If Eb is making the call, I don't he would want Harry to have it, because putting the staff with someone Mother Winter could order to return it to her means the end of the Blackstaff as an office of the Council, and he believes in the need for that. It would also force the fight between the WC and Harry that he doesn't want to see happen, and it's an awful lot of temptation to mix up with the Knight mantle.

If the staff is making the call, a lot depends on whether IT wants to go back to Mother Winter. I think in Changes Harry perceived that the staff wanted to be used, and for all her malice, Mother Winter seems pretty self-disciplined about rarely actually exercising direct power. If its semi-sentience extends to having more fun being used for magical war crimes on the semi-regular on earth than it would being kept on a tight leash for centuries at a time in the deep NN, it's probably going to avoid the Winter Knight like the plague, lest he return it. In that case, Carlos is probably a good call as he's in opposition to the Queens' instrument.

If it operates on a lower level without that much if>then reasoning, it's probably going to see the Winter Knight as a preferred candidate if he's nearby. And even aside from the mantle, it would like Harry because here's a guy who gets into lots of scraps and will probably use a tool of violence.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Re-reading and this jumped out at me
« on: September 28, 2021, 02:20:00 PM »
It's worth noting that Chauncy described the MacFinn curse as "said to have been laid by a saint", not "was laid by a saint". He can provide incorrect rumor implied as fact, the same way propaganda actors use "a lot of people are saying" to imply there must be some fire behind the smoke.

But cursing an entire bloodline of people to become ravening homicidal monsters with no choice but to kill seems pretty far from saintly. Aside from the trail of destruction, it's also tampering with the MacFinns' free will. A sufficient power could do it, but could they do it and still be on the right side of the Almighty's graces?

Could even be the Fallen were behind that and framed a saint for PR against the Christianization of Ireland, and Chauncy is repeating their lie as a "said to be".

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror character changes ideas
« on: September 21, 2021, 02:33:20 PM »
Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on April 18, 2021, 12:57:35 AM
Here's something I don't think anyone has mentioned.  Wizard Peabody is still alive and a member of the White Council.  Warden Morgan is probably dead and the White Council is losing the war with Red Court.

Hopefully not. It would mess Harry up way more if Molly was Morgan's apprentice, with them united in blaming Harry for Michael and Luccio dying, and fanatical about revenge.

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