Give it the appropriate powers, and the +2 version of Item of Power.

Does it fly? Give it wings.

Does it shoot things dead? Give it a breath weapon (hey, if it works for flung monkey poo, it'll work for an arm-blaster!).

Is it mega-armoured? Give it physical immunity, with the catch being guns as big as it is.

Or, you could go with enchanted items. The weapons would be attack items, and the armour itself would be either blocks or armour.

Granted, enchanted items work better for personal-scale powered armour instead of gundam-sized mecha...but that's an option.

Just a few ideas.

-EF

The problem is that the "rule of 13" just dissipates random magical energies. So it'd still be able to be hexed just as easily. Also, it wouldn't have any effect on GM-induced compels to a practitioner's high concept.

I guess it would allow for a more reasonable way for the practitioner to refuse the compel, and maybe throw the item one more "slot" up higher on the chart of intentional hexing. So something that normally was a 3-shift hex becomes a 4-shift hex when built with the "rule of 13."

-EF

In Summer Knight,
For those who haven't read SK yet, plot device :p

-EF

Is it possible to impose consequences to another when they don't want you to? I.e. can you shoot sb in the leg and impose "bum leg" ?

Sounds more like a manoeuvre to me. You roll guns, and they resist with, say, athletics. If you win, you place the temp. aspect of "bum leg" on them.

-EF

Wow...one way or another it's always "Harry's" fault.  lol

Someone mentioned piping and wiring breaking a circle.  I don't believe that's the case though.  If you draw the circle over a surface and there are objects in the path that don't or can't move, drawing the circle over those still completes the circle.  What would break it is the water flowing through the pipes, most likely.  It would be complicated, but it could be possible to fashion a ring around the pipe that acts like a "hole under the fence" to draw the circle over and not be directly crossed by the water.  Since the pipe separates the water from the ring and circle, it shouldn't ground out the energies of either.  It seems that running water has to be in direct contact or close to it...at the least there can't be anything separating it from you except a step or two of distance at most.  Otherwise plumbing in modern buildings would bar the activities of most supernatural creatures.

Frankly...I think it'd be worth it to have hot showers, a furnace and A/C.

But what about that one annoying fly? Or mesquito, cockroach, spider, etc? Anything physical that crosses the circle will break it. Heck, Harry worries about DUST when he's working with his summoning circle.

I'd hate to see what happens to the water heater when a spider breaks the circle while Harry's working with Little Chicago...the risks are not worth the price, if you ask me.

-EF

Name: Gale
Type: Air Manoeuvre
Power: 4 shifts
Duration: One action
Area: Personal
Resisted by: N/A
Effect: You create a gust of wind that propels you a short distance. Treat it as a 4-shift sprint action for movement. Can help a lot with boarders.

Name: SCUB-A (Self-Contained Underwater Bubble - Arcane)
Type: Air Manoeuvre
Power: 5+ shifts
Duration: 3+ exchanges
Area: Personal
Resisted by: N/A
Effect: This spell creates a bubble of air that surrounds your head, giving you the aspect can breathe underwater. Of course, you'll need some other spell or flippers to be able to swim, but at least you won't drown. For an extra 2 shifts, you can have this spell affect all those in your zone (hopefully saving your friends from drowning when your boat sinks or something).

Name: Dust Devil
Type: Air Block
Power: 6+ shifts
Duration: 2+ exchanges
Area: Personal
Resisted by: N/A
Effect: You create a small tornado that encircles you, blowing up dust and making it hard to see you. It acts as a 4-shift block.

No, I'm not playing an air mage or anything--although I'd be interested in doing so now  ^_^--but I thought it'd be cool to have the spells share a common theme.

-EF

Hey Guys

It's been a while since I left and then came back, looks like a lot happened while I was gone.

Anyway, for those of you that are interested, I would like to start a DFRPG Play By Post game with any of you that want to join (I'm looking at you, WJM, Chiro, Perseph and anyone else that's still around)

Are you still looking for players? I'm interested in doing PBP...but never got up the nerve to do so ^_^;;

-EF

Ok, everybody has returned to Magical Attacks... that's not what this thread was supposed to be focused upon.
Also, it's not about killing your target or not.

It's actually about a basic part of the system.
It applies to evocation attacks as much as it does to lets say attacks made with fists.

The way I see it, forcing shifts onto the attack basically means that you always hit with all the force you can muster.
A High fists Character is no longer able to throw a lighter punch, a high weapons character always goes for the strike to the heart, a skilled gunman always goes for the killing shot, and a highly trained evocator always goes for maximum destruction.

Not so. Stress != damage. A high weapons character could just be doing fancy moves, and backing their opponent into a corner. A skilled gunman might just be shooting where the target was about to be, thus discouraging them from moving. In either case, the taken out result is they surrender, since they know they are outclasses and out gunned.

The ghoul's slash that just missed Dresden's face? That's stress. When Harry got shot, that's a consequence. Per YS197, ". Each party accumulates gradual success, affecting their opponents in a momentary (resulting in stress) or lasting (resulting  in  a  consequence) way."

To address the OP, it's really up to the table to decide. If more of the table agree it's B, then so be it. If more people agree with the GM, than it's A.

I'd say sit down and talk it out with your group.

-EF