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DF Spoilers / Re: Will Ramirez ever get laid?...
« on: May 25, 2018, 02:57:24 PM »
Is that not one of the things The Winter Lady molly now owes Ramirez??

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim Butcher interview from 2 months ago
« on: May 24, 2018, 08:41:54 PM »
Exactly why I am worried for the next books. Maggie will become more important.
Oh yes, the real proof of this to me is Mouse, whose obviously got an agenda of his own, is now her personal guard dog. The monster under the bed was probably as real as Dresden thought.(woj of things only kids can see.)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 20, 2018, 10:44:27 PM »
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feels like Harry Dresden is walking a similar path to Merlin
Path being the operative word here.(one I think rai can appreciate)But it's folly to limit it to simply Arthurian mythos or Merlin in said mythos. That's part and parcel why the Hades parallel scene was put in, to show a wider and wider scope of connections. GK and his appearance vs his domain being across the surface of the moon and other associations as a likely Horus put's Egyptian mythos firmly on the map too... how many is this now... Arthur, Christian, Egyptian, Greek/roman(I'd categorically have them the same).... and Norse? ^.- Mmm that's five directly connected mythos, until we see a sixth perhaps the five timelines entwined works quite well?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 20, 2018, 02:34:05 AM »
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Thus Baldr had to remain in the underworld, not to emerge until after Ragnarök, when he and his brother Höðr would be reconciled and rule the new earth together with Thor's sons.
Mmm...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 19, 2018, 06:42:01 PM »
Unless he's already Thor, and it's part of his full cup.   :o
He's more the Loki to Marcones Thor... although mayhaps he's Baldor instead :o unless that's Thomas?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 19, 2018, 01:51:20 PM »
There is the possibility that Thor no longer has his Mantle...  Perhaps the foreshadowing being shown here is that Charity will have it one day, and kicking ass along side her Sword wielding husband.  I guess Michael could get it but it seems more like Charity if Jim used foreshadowing.
Dude, you know who Mike the Mechanic could be don't you? Whom the Mechanic(whom I wanna say was Mike) was in Adventures of Babysitting...? I've long thought that his fate, especially since we have the... idk their names, the things Etri was, as the dwarvish smiths.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 17, 2018, 07:40:48 AM »
That was more about the swords and how they can be remade... Bout positive Mjolnir comes from/evolved into the sword of hope.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 16, 2018, 02:05:19 AM »
That's my point.  Odin and Loki are still alive.  Ergo, Ragnarok has not yet occurred.
wut.

I think it's a case of JB's classical use of the word Catholic.  As in universal, all-encompassing.  All the pantheons are part of the whole.  Some might overlap, while others stand apart.  But they're all connected at the root.

None of that means that Ragnarok has already occurred, though.  There's no reason to believe that Odin died and came back.  There's no reason to believe Vadderung is Thor. Are either possible?  Sure.  But I don't think there's been evidence for either.  Just because the Sidhe change hosts doesn't mean everyone does, or can, or will.
Sure there is, there's plenty of reason... but how deep down the rabbit hole can you really go though? There's no reason to appose the idea either, so unless I can get to the root of why you do we'll just dance all night lol.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 15, 2018, 09:29:17 PM »
I don't see the link. For starters, different pantheons. Also, I'm not convinced the Mothers are utterly incapable of visiting Earth. They certainly don't do it regularly, but that could be chalked up to them not wanting to warp reality, or Mother Winter not wanting to travel without her "walking stick" and Mother Summer refraining from doing so for the sake of balance.
*snickers to self* different pantheons? My dear Sir we have in the Fae make up no less than 3 distinct pantheon's all colliding into one, lets not forget Hecate is Greek, and the two have a direct connection to the Queens based upon Hades own defense systems. Odin is Norse but is mysteriously subplanted into a largely irish mythology which Bob's fairy wars directly links to the Vanir and aesir. Separate Pantheons indeed... and besides the noticeable lack of the main greek/roman deities who later were reformed(a reforming of identity would certainly be a Godly death/twilight btw) We have Hades talk with Harry to point to a little ahh Nemfection apparent in their continued actions and we Have Thomas's soulgaze(to which I've already well connected the heirs of the sons of Ares and Aphrodite) to show the Greek pantheon is perhaps in absentee now. It suffered the same Decay as showcased in Denton's actual mind. But Thomas's soulgaze was not purely a representation of his own mind, but of his identity as a whole.
*why do they actually warp reality though? what about them disagree's with it? Look at another example, Shagnasty, whom is an angelic ghost who violates said rules by staying on earth, he warps reality only slightly because he's not quite strong enough for more, but his fundamental existence here is described through DR as wrong in the extreme, and that's before we find out we keep such creatures amongst the rejects of reality. Shagnasty is directly described as a ghost in order for the dine, an excorsim to effect him, he's also, by the very story of the skinwalkers, is describes as from a different age where he was supposed to have 'moved on' and refused. Bringing it back to the spirits who effect reality and fate whom are not supposed to. MW has no Rent, no GreenCard and has been placed on the blacklist of do not travel, for a very good reason. A cosmic level reason.

*which is NOT to say she won't one day walk the land, and for good reason. An oh my stars and garters, the day she stands up unaided by stick or escort to walk the land is a day I actually look forward to seeing in all it's terrible glory... and sadness as we watch the one who follows. ;-(

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 15, 2018, 07:05:00 PM »
Simple words is Time loop btw. Everything is on a time loop, it's what a gyre is. Everything that's happening has happened before and will again, Will continue to for as long as existence is a thing in the DF verse.
It's also where Jim tied Arthur into it, the extra proof for the queens descending from Arthurian mythos, is why he has the queens labeled such. Comparatively to the Once and Future King, The one who is, is a place holder because as we know neither are the originals but changed hands close to when the gyre rotated in the middle, the twisting of what is.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 15, 2018, 03:54:34 PM »
That's all an interpretation, and one that makes sense.  But it's not fact.  For the Norse pantheon, there's only one apocalypse (Ragnarok) that calls for the deaths of Odin and Loki and Thor, at least two of which are still alive regardless of the theory.

Now, if you wanted to argue that the series is in the middle of Ragnarok, and Aldar Rok has passed but Tiva Rok hasn't, it might make things more plausible.  I don't know the specifics of the series of events, but maybe it's possible.
*thinking man pose* Do we have any other thing for history and mythology..?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Snoopy, Loup Garou, and Mouse
« on: May 14, 2018, 05:03:05 PM »
Does not mean they were inaccurate. Tibet is known for it's ice demoness and her entourage as well as it's Foo dog Temples, some of which are the Temples that help bind said demoness. But as for the dream land comment, I've always figured The Temple attacked in Tibet by the Rakshasa behind the scenes(in DB?) was the earthly connection to the dream lands, where the sleepers could attempt to manifest back through... also though, Harry starts, and stops having weird dreams at the same time Mouse arrives. That bit was stated I think to cluebat towards his actual purpose.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirrors
« on: May 14, 2018, 02:40:54 PM »
Yup, though I maintain that Chitzen Itza could work, with the Ambient Life of a dense Jungle replacing the need to living humans, while the same accumulation of angry warrior spirits is already present.
But.. what if it's actually the mortal choice that they're feeding on in the spell, that most delicate part of the soul only humans possess?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
« on: May 14, 2018, 02:39:30 PM »
You're assuming that Ragnarok already occurred, but WoJ is that Loki is still locked up.  Ergo, he's still alive, rather than being dead like he's supposed to be after Ragnarok.  Everything points to Ragnarok not having occurred yet.

Again, what sources material?  I haven't found many translated texts.
Many Ragnaroks have happened, or at least one I can evidence, Going back to Bob's original explanation of the queens whom used to be. They don't exist on our plain, can't anymore. Because they are primal spirits of what was, they are literally the Ghosts of a previous epoch. (You might point to the same thing for Hades and why in this age he can no longer effect fate. He admitted he could before by default then, noting a considerable difference then in how he can interact with our world now by comparison.) They birthed the new Age, also why they are now 'Mothers' despite new evidence pointing to the Queen as the one whose giving birth, they already gave birth.
Ragnarok is the end of an age and the beginning of a new one, the lifting of the veil, ect. Odin's Ragnarok happened when Valhalla fell from position on the Gates. The Jotuns retreat and reformation as Mab's court is also another point towards his story already having played out once before.... Besides, Harry killed Fenris in book 2 so no Ragnarok for you!? Unless he just freed him from the curse that contained his manifestation, Harry you dolt.

*you can find a lot of them online for free, the original Edda's even. I don't always keep track of the pages though.
**it's a poor explanation but the one were I add in the gyre and why time is repeating itself is much more complicated. The real evidence would become that it is in our mythology already.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Your guess at secret power/mantles of the Council
« on: May 14, 2018, 02:21:34 PM »
Yes, EK could, because he never carved off that mortal choice, same as Odin I believe.(which Woj would more or less confirm) There are 4 mortal choices floating around Fairie. And specifically, the queens and ladies are only a part of the Mothers power, we know they spun off all the lesser mantles, including then, giving the Queen the ability to make the Knight. The '3 queens' don't contribute, The two graces in opposition(tell me creator and destroyer are not archangel material, if not more) are broke down to maintain balance between the two with plenty of insulation filler in between. So Knights are indeed a created thing, from a mantle, from a grace...
Although it seems to play into the whole fallen shadow/ earthly mirror thing as part of the reason Knight's exist too.

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