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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: EBRIEN on April 12, 2025, 04:43:31 PM
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Right before Harry and Carlos duel Malvora and Madrigal Wraith, he chats with Justine. He asks how she's up and around. She's more than a bit evasive I think. Sorry, I've been listening, so don't have the exact quote.
I'm sure this has been discussed, but Nemfected would explain it all, but it kind of pins down a timeline for infection of Justine.
Feel free to tell me it's been discussed and where have I been. hehe
Cheers to all!
Brien
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Right before Harry and Carlos duel Malvora and Madrigal Wraith, he chats with Justine. He asks how she's up and around. She's more than a bit evasive I think. Sorry, I've been listening, so don't have the exact quote.
I'm sure this has been discussed, but Nemfected would explain it all, but it kind of pins down a timeline for infection of Justine.
Feel free to tell me it's been discussed and where have I been. hehe
Cheers to all!
Brien
Justine's Nemfection has been discussed, yes.
@Mira has an interesting theory that she has actually been Nemfected all along (or since very-early); I'm not convinced, but I think there's some evidence to support the idea, needing hardly any tin-foil for her hat (I've certainly needed much more, for some of my own crackpot notions!).
Papa Raith's Outsider-fueled personal anti-magic ward, and his porn-star-sorceress Outsider-summoning, Vito's Outsider-possession, Justine's Nemfection, all pointing to substantive Outsider activity within the White Court.
My theory is, Mab's primary interest in ordering Harry to marry Lara is to incite a "patented Harry Dresden Anarchygasm" amongst the Whamps, and proactively/preemptively expose more Outsiders.
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Papa Raith's Outsider-fueled personal anti-magic ward, and his porn-star-sorceress Outsider-summoning, Vito's Outsider-possession, Justine's Nemfection, all pointing to substantive Outsider activity within the White Court.
Putting my tin hat back on for a moment given the above statement.. Why would Papa Raith send an infected "insane" Justine to be the lover of Thomas? For starters while he may not be star born or a wizard, Thomas might also have some protection from Outsiders from his mother. Why would sex with Thomas "drain off enough emotions" to keep her insanity in check, or even cure it?
Ultimately to control Thomas, which eventually Justine did when for her sake and the sake of "their child," Thomas became an assassin. Took a few years, but White Court Vamps live a long time, Outsiders live forever, they play a long game of very complicated three dimensional chess.. Then again, so does Mab.. Yet even she didn't see or predict that Justine was infested.
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Justine's Nemfection has been discussed, yes.
@Mira has an interesting theory that she has actually been Nemfected all along (or since very-early); I'm not convinced, but I think there's some evidence to support the idea, needing hardly any tin-foil for her hat (I've certainly needed much more, for some of my own crackpot notions!).
Papa Raith's Outsider-fueled personal anti-magic ward, and his porn-star-sorceress Outsider-summoning, Vito's Outsider-possession, Justine's Nemfection, all pointing to substantive Outsider activity within the White Court.
My theory is, Mab's primary interest in ordering Harry to marry Lara is to incite a "patented Harry Dresden Anarchygasm" amongst the Whamps, and proactively/preemptively expose more Outsiders.
Yes. I can see Mab using Harry to disinfect the White Court. Sorta like she had to do with her own court--Lea, etc. Perhaps Lara already knows there's a problem and she and Mab launched this plan together knowing that Harry is the cure.
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Putting my tin hat back on for a moment given the above statement.. Why would Papa Raith send an infected "insane" Justine to be the lover of Thomas? For starters while he may not be star born or a wizard, Thomas might also have some protection from Outsiders from his mother. Why would sex with Thomas "drain off enough emotions" to keep her insanity in check, or even cure it?
Ultimately to control Thomas, which eventually Justine did when for her sake and the sake of "their child," Thomas became an assassin. Took a few years, but White Court Vamps live a long time, Outsiders live forever, they play a long game of very complicated three dimensional chess.. Then again, so does Mab.. Yet even she didn't see or predict that Justine was infested.
We have no solid understanding of Nemfection; just a few Harry-POV snippets, and we know that Harry is (a) an unreliable narrator; (b) really unsophisticated -- even simplistic -- compared to the Big Powers.
Is being Nemfected something like being a Denarian? Does Nemesis implant a "shadow" of itself, who cajoles/seduces/coerces the victim until they choose to accept a full-on Nemfection? We do know that Nemesis can have multiple agents, but not how many agents. Maybe the multiplicity of agents comes via having multiple independent "shadows." Or maybe "Nemfection" is an all-or-nothing state: either Nemesis is within you (though not necessarily fully in control of you) or it's not.
None of which really explains whether these multiple agents can communicate (outside of normal mundane channels) and/or collaborate. Are they limited to mortal methods? Can they use magic to talk? Are they all just sockpuppets of one central identity, who can use them like fingers of a single hand?
Papa-Raith may have been Nemfected himself, or carrying a Shadow. He may have made a deal to send a specific doe to Thomas, without understanding the ramifications. Or a Nemfected (and actually rather powerful) Justine may have managed things on her own, without need for any assistance at all.
Why would sex with Thomas "drain off enough emotions" to keep her insanity in check, or even cure it?
Multiple kinds of "insanity" are simply one form or another of emotional disregulation; whamp-sex likely settles this sort of thing right down, imposing its own emotional steady-state of fixed adoration & hormone-driven relaxation.