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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: EBRIEN on February 02, 2022, 08:21:09 PM
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Question: If you could have a prequel to the Dresden Files utilizing characters from the series (either known explicitly or only alluded to), who would you most want to see and why?
I think Maggie's (Mama Dresden) Adventures in the Never Never could be fun. What started as a mapping of the Ways would lead to all kinds of adventures. (Or maybe her adventures led to the mapping of the Ways.) And maybe along the way, we find out what makes Malcolm a truly good man.
Hope all are well here in the Dresden forum. Cheers---Brien
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Oh I'd like to go back a bit further, Margaret as a little girl, just was her relationship with her father.
More importantly what was her mother like?
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For me it's the supernatural influence on historical events. Every long lived or otherwise immortal creature references historical events they were witness or otherwise a part of.
OG Merlin would be great.
I'd love to see a series on Kemmler and hunting him down, like the Luccio short story.
French revolution maybe.
Jims got that LtW, Ebenezar and Langtry 7 years war-American revolution in his head. Washingtons a KotC
Cortez fighting the Red Court. Ebenezar says it was the last time the entire court went to Chitzen Itza. Very Bad Guys vs Bad Guys.
WOJ is Council helped develop the Renaissance.
Crusades woj is Saladin was a KotC.
Thing is nobody in current Dresden Files has any influence on contemporary and modern events. I mean I understand why, Harry can't because the White Council forbids it and Jim doesn't want current events impacting Dresden as either on the story or getting dragged into modern politics. Beside Battle of Chicago changes Dresdens world irrevocably but still some modern events are harder to ignore on impacting the world.
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Yeah, but I really want to know what was the dynamic between Eb and his daughter which led to her rebelling, which led ultimately to the birth of both Thomas and Harry. Which is also at the root of the problems Harry has had with the Council over the years. I also want to know more about Margaret's mother, we know nothing about her, she is never mentioned, I think that is significant.. And why, exactly, does Eb hate all vampires so..
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I'd love any or all of these things. But mainly I'd like him to finish first. Or get rich letting someone else do it.
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There is one A Fistful of Warlocks.
Nothing else yet. Bah!
Why they just can’t hobble Jim and chain him to a bed with a laptop I don’t know.
(How many of you are thinking “Oh that’s horrible!” But also “minimum two long books a years plus plenty of novellas, comics, and short stories as well....”)
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I'm loving these ideas! Thanks for responding.
I like the idea of Influence.
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What was the supernatural doing in lesser known (or at least referenced) historical events, like the Polish Deluge, collapse of Carolingian Europe (and the root of the Carpenter line), the 30/80 years war, the 2nd Punic war...
But of course those aren't gonna happen because then the author would have to know them well enough to tweak them. But MW, Odin, Ferro, and the former Red King would've seen them all (in the Red King's case, for certain values of 'seen', no idea if the supernatural was already global).
For more likely cases:
- The ascendance of Mab
- The first Knights of the Cross after TWC died. We suspect they have been here before then given the Kusanagi connection, but how did that all go?
- The takedown of Abdul Alhazred
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What actually happened in 1066.
The DV take on Merlin and Arthur.
Rashid's beginnings and how he became Gatekeeper.
What drove Ebenezar to do Tunguska, Krakatoa, or New Madrid.
Some Kincaid stuff - what Eb has against him, or what he has against Nicodemus.
The Stokerlypse.
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The Stokerlypse.
That's actually covered in Paranet Papers quite a bit.
As for Kincaid, something to do with Maggie Sr undoubtedly.
What was the supernatural doing in lesser known (or at least referenced) historical events, like the Polish Deluge, collapse of Carolingian Europe (and the root of the Carpenter line), the 30/80 years war, the 2nd Punic war...
I'd be interested to see which supernatural factions or powers were backing Rome and Carthage respectively.
White Court speaks Etruscans so they could be on either side. Hannibal had some tribes from Northern Italy rally to him.
For more likely cases:
- The ascendance of Mab
- The first Knights of the Cross after TWC died. We suspect they have been here before then given the Kusanagi connection, but how did that all go?
- The takedown of Abdul Alhazred
Arthurian and 1066- I think we all want to know the details.
Jim has said he might do an anthology for the various Knights some of whom died on the job.
I'd like some more stuff on Gatekeeper as well.
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An anthology of the Knights sounds good, but it should include at least one Historical Winter Knight, Tam Lin, as well as one historical Summer Knight, Ronald Ruel, perhaps, in a team up with a Knight of the Sword?
What if the Round Table included all three Knights of the Sword AND both Winter and Summer Knights? If Galahad was a Knight of the Sword and Lancelot (duLac) a Winter Knight, then Gawain the Summer Knight as well as Mordred as a hidden Denarian. I would have Sir Palomeides as the third Knight of the Sword. You would have Mab and Titania and the original Merlin so you would want this as the main novella of any anthology.
We already have a Michael and Butters Story so we would also want a Shiro and a Sanya Story, perhaps the classic story of Shiro finding god, or Sanya as a Denarian?
Call it KNIGHT VISION.
(See you are starting to come round to my plan for Jim, he spends far too much time not writing all of this)
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An anthology of the Knights sounds good, but it should include at least one Historical Winter Knight, Tam Lin, as well as one historical Summer Knight, Ronald Ruel, perhaps, in a team up with a Knight of the Sword?
I know Tam Lin has come up before in the forum. Remind me---Has Jim referenced Tam Lin specifically, or are the references just forum-related? In my VERY short internet search, he's rescued by his love on Halloween.
I wonder if we've even met Harry's true love, yet. Certainly, he loves faithfully and truly--ie Susan and Murphy. And if Harry is Tam Lin, or Tam Lin-like, then who rescues him from Mab (or some other faerie queen) and the WK mantle?
Thoughts?
Thanks---Brien
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In Cold Days at the party.
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In Cold Days at the party.
Which is foreshadowing
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In Cold Days at the party.
Right! Thanks!
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What was the supernatural doing in lesser known (or at least referenced) historical events, like the Polish Deluge, collapse of Carolingian Europe (and the root of the Carpenter line), the 30/80 years war, the 2nd Punic war...
But of course those aren't gonna happen because then the author would have to know them well enough to tweak them. But MW, Odin, Ferro, and the former Red King would've seen them all (in the Red King's case, for certain values of 'seen', no idea if the supernatural was already global).
For more likely cases:
- The ascendance of Mab
- The first Knights of the Cross after TWC died. We suspect they have been here before then given the Kusanagi connection, but how did that all go?
- The takedown of Abdul Alhazred
Literally thinking the same type of Arthurian dresdenverse only I'd make Mordred Winter Knight and Sir Percival the third knight. Perceivable was on the quest for the holy grail and present at Arthur's death and funeral of 3 fae queens.(iirc?) And Mordred was son of Morgana le Fey. Maybe inherited the mantle after Lancelot dies?
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Jim has yet to give us a run down as to who was exactly who in Camelot, but the ostensible interest Nicky had in the Grail would suggest there were Denarians in the Court.
We know Amorachius was Excalibur which means Arthur was a Knight. Where there are Knights there are Denarians.
Morgana strikes me as falling within Lasciel’s bailiwick as the seducer. She takes a coin as a Changeling perhaps (hence the Le Fay), instead of the expected Mantle and produces Mordred and he picks up a coin later on. Nicky tried this on Michael with young Harry, turning son against father.
Mab I figure for Nimue.
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Kemmler followed by McCoy out on his covert missions.
Oh would love to find out how The First Merlin captured all those dark gods and nameless horrors. Doubt he did it all himself but would still be cool.
Oh and Jim?Can we please have a short story from either the perspective of one of the Walkers or Marcone having inner monologues with Thorned Namshiel. If Mab ever finds out that their in cahoots then all hell will break loose.
Sorry I know half of these aren't prequels but it would still be awesome
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Mac McAnally.
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Considering the importance of Kemmler, the WW1 angle might be fun. I suspect it would be very League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. In fact, a series spanning Kemmler's life (maybe not his POV) would be interesting. It would be good to see what happened in October 31, 1961.
Also, Hastings seems to be very important so it would be good to see that too.
Anything about Eb in his younger days, Maggie when she was stirring up a ruckus, the OG Merlin and Camelot, and particularly anything set in ancient times (Greece, Egypt etc).
But as Morris says, I probably would prefer him to just write more of the current series. I guess we'll see.
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I'd also be curious about Kemmler. If we allow for all children beginning as clean slates and that their experiences shape them (Nurture), then what shaped Kemmler? Or was it just in his DNA (Nature)? Likewise, other characters in the series. The series shows Kemmler and his heirs as evil because of necromancy and the "darkside" if you will. Jim's a Star Wars fan, so what caused Kemmler to follow the darkside of the Dresdenverse force?
The Sidhe speak about balancing the scales throughout. Star Wars speaks of bringing balance to the force. Palpatine didn't die (clones)...Kemmler...Palpatine...Dresden...Hmmm.
Anyway---Rabbit hole.
Maybe the thread should be Character Arcs other than Harry's rather than Prequels.