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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on September 21, 2021, 05:18:33 AM
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Like I said, the Blackstaff chooses the wielder. I really don't know if it's the Staff or if it's the person wielding it that decides. Anyways who do you see getting it? Besides Dresden, Luccio, and Carlos I can't think of likely candidates. If you come up with other names, I will add them to the poll.
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My money's on Carlos he's due for a power up, White Council loyalist, Warden officer (Just like Eb used to be). If nothing else Ebenezar would figure Harry has enough responsibility, plus you know he's no longer a member of the White Council. I doubt they'd let the one guy who can break the laws be Harry.
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My money's on Carlos he's due for a power up, White Council loyalist, Warden officer (Just like Eb used to be). If nothing else Ebenezar would figure Harry has enough responsibility, plus you know he's no longer a member of the White Council. I doubt they'd let the one guy who can break the laws be Harry.
Eb was the Captain of the Wardens. Not sure but I think that means he was the leader of them behind The Merlin?
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Eb was the Captain of the Wardens. Not sure but I think that means he was the leader of them behind The Merlin?
Carlos is Acting Captain with Luccio out of commission. Captains handle the day to day, and implementation of the Wardens. Senior Council still had to vote on outright mass operations during the Red Court War. During Dead Beat the Red Court Assault, Senior Council had to vote to do a counter attack. Luccio as Captain did make an executive decision during Dead Beat to scrounge up the strike team to take on Kemmlers Disciples though.
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Okay I'm really going to go out on a limb, I don't think there will be another Blackstaff, Eb dies, and Harry will give Mother Winter her staff back. It could be that that is the deal changer that is needed to defeat the Outsiders, or because of her role, Mother Winter will get her staff back.. Or.....Wait for it, Harry presents Mab with it as she takes over Mother Winter's job.. ::)
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Side note thought...
My cousin was a police chief in a small town for about 25 years and in that time saw a lot of officers come and go. The one thing he said that made the most sense with regards to this question of who gets it is that the last person you want in that position of authority is someone who can't wait to be there. I think Eb was the right person for the Blackstaff because he valued all that was beautiful and amazing about magic (that he imparted to Harry) and that he'd only use it if no other decision could be made. I'm starting to think that the Blackstaff (actual) is similar to one of the Swords in that the wielder must be right for the job.
Consider Winter's calculating and pragmatic approach to decision making and (if it really is Mother Winter's walking stick), how Eb was chosen to be its bearer. What dire circumstance was at hand (How long has Eb had it?) when Eb was chosen (or chose) to be the Blackstaff? Was he, like Harry, a tool to be wielded by Winter? I think that's a story I might like to read.
Just yapping.
Cheers and best to you around the globe!
Brien
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Side note thought...
My cousin was a police chief in a small town for about 25 years and in that time saw a lot of officers come and go. The one thing he said that made the most sense with regards to this question of who gets it is that the last person you want in that position of authority is someone who can't wait to be there. I think Eb was the right person for the Blackstaff because he valued all that was beautiful and amazing about magic (that he imparted to Harry) and that he'd only use it if no other decision could be made. I'm starting to think that the Blackstaff (actual) is similar to one of the Swords in that the wielder must be right for the job.
Consider Winter's calculating and pragmatic approach to decision making and (if it really is Mother Winter's walking stick), how Eb was chosen to be its bearer. What dire circumstance was at hand (How long has Eb had it?) when Eb was chosen (or chose) to be the Blackstaff? Was he, like Harry, a tool to be wielded by Winter? I think that's a story I might like to read.
Just yapping.
Cheers and best to you around the globe!
Brien
Yeah, that was the theory behind Game of Thrones also, and it didn't turn out so well.
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I bet Cristos could throw a monkey wrench in things and expose the role and purpose of the Blackstaff to the Council, in an attempt to either get it for himself or a trusted lackey. I'd guess himself if he's Cowl, or a lackey if he's not.
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Side note thought...
My cousin was a police chief in a small town for about 25 years and in that time saw a lot of officers come and go. The one thing he said that made the most sense with regards to this question of who gets it is that the last person you want in that position of authority is someone who can't wait to be there. I think Eb was the right person for the Blackstaff because he valued all that was beautiful and amazing about magic (that he imparted to Harry) and that he'd only use it if no other decision could be made. I'm starting to think that the Blackstaff (actual) is similar to one of the Swords in that the wielder must be right for the job.
Consider Winter's calculating and pragmatic approach to decision making and (if it really is Mother Winter's walking stick), how Eb was chosen to be its bearer. What dire circumstance was at hand (How long has Eb had it?) when Eb was chosen (or chose) to be the Blackstaff? Was he, like Harry, a tool to be wielded by Winter? I think that's a story I might like to read.
Just yapping.
Cheers and best to you around the globe!
Brien
Which would be along the lines of the legend of Cincinnatus, serving as dictator in crisis, then returning to the farm, or a Washington turning down a kingship, becoming president, serving two terms, and saying "Someone else's turn" and walking away.
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No one, Harry takes it from Eb not necessarily upon his death and returns it to Mother Winter earning a huge favour, and removing from the White Council a major magical artefact, which allowed it to act with rank hypocrisy. Harry would see that as a win-win.
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No one, Harry takes it from Eb not necessarily upon his death and returns it to Mother Winter earning a huge favour, and removing from the White Council a major magical artefact, which allowed it to act with rank hypocrisy. Harry would see that as a win-win.
This is what I think also.
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No one, Harry takes it from Eb not necessarily upon his death and returns it to Mother Winter earning a huge favour, and removing from the White Council a major magical artefact, which allowed it to act with rank hypocrisy. Harry would see that as a win-win.
Is this the "Chosen one restoring balance to the universe" thing?
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Nope, it’s Harry realising Mother Winter would eventually get it back and use it on Harry for not doing so sooner.
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It could be that Mother Winter will summon Harry and give him a command to ger her walking stick back. Either he dies trying to get it from Eb, or he survives and returns the stick; either way, Mother Winter would be happy.
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The unknown in this question is, "Where will Harry be when Ebenezer dies?" If Harry just get's word of Ebenezer's death or if Harry is present, but so are a number of powerful members of the White Council, then in all likelihood the Council decides and either Captain Luccio or Warden Ramirez gets the Blackstaff. The only reason I don't think it will be Luccio is because her fighting ability has been diminished. The Blackstaff would make her uber-powerful, but it's a weapon that should only be used with great discretion and only at times when nothing else is appropriate. So, I could see Ramirez getting the job in an attempt by the Senior Council to counter-balance Harry.
On the other hand, if Harry and Ebenezer are together when Eb meets his end, but no one else is around, that changes things. I could see Harry picking up the staff and wouldn't you know it, Mab shows up to give Harry the most dangerous mission he has ever faced. A task that even the Eye of Ethniu would be of little use in completing. Now Harry won't want the Blackstaff, so I could see Harry getting summoned by Mother Winter and getting told that either he has to use the Blackstaff to complete his mission or return it to it's original owner, Mother Winter herself. It doesn't have to be exactly that scenario, but it could be something close to that.
If Harry does pick up the Blackstaff, my prediction is that it will be a one and done affair. As Harry is no longer a member of the White Council, he couldn't act as Blackstaff Dresden of the Council, though it would give the Council a new level of deniability if Harry did their dirty work for them. However, most of the Senior Council would never trust Harry with that job. After using the Blackstaff once, my guess is that Harry would return it to the Council rather than Mother Winter. Then again, maybe not, I don't know. It's just a feeling I have.
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Carlos is too by the book to pull the trigger on a bus full of school kids for the greater good.
Luccio in a heart beat would.
Harry is done with Counsel.
My bet is the Black staff goes back to winter to balance a scale
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Depends whether the Blackstaff choosing the heir means the bearer, or the artefact itself.
If Eb is making the call, I don't he would want Harry to have it, because putting the staff with someone Mother Winter could order to return it to her means the end of the Blackstaff as an office of the Council, and he believes in the need for that. It would also force the fight between the WC and Harry that he doesn't want to see happen, and it's an awful lot of temptation to mix up with the Knight mantle.
If the staff is making the call, a lot depends on whether IT wants to go back to Mother Winter. I think in Changes Harry perceived that the staff wanted to be used, and for all her malice, Mother Winter seems pretty self-disciplined about rarely actually exercising direct power. If its semi-sentience extends to having more fun being used for magical war crimes on the semi-regular on earth than it would being kept on a tight leash for centuries at a time in the deep NN, it's probably going to avoid the Winter Knight like the plague, lest he return it. In that case, Carlos is probably a good call as he's in opposition to the Queens' instrument.
If it operates on a lower level without that much if>then reasoning, it's probably going to see the Winter Knight as a preferred candidate if he's nearby. And even aside from the mantle, it would like Harry because here's a guy who gets into lots of scraps and will probably use a tool of violence.
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The return of the Blackstaff could win Harry an unravelling, which could cure Thomas of his demon, something foreshadowed with Susan
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The return of the Blackstaff could win Harry an unravelling, which could cure Thomas of his demon, something foreshadowed with Susan
That could work, but would Thomas want to come back if Justine isn't there? :(
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If Eb falls, Luccio is the easily-resorts-to-violence type it likes, and i think it can likely make up for most of the lower power, but it passed her over once for Eb. I think it goes to a name we never heard before, like Christos getting the senior council nod, so we can speculate on Noname being Black council, like we do for Christos.
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That could work, but would Thomas want to come back if Justine isn't there? :(
In the Dragoncon Q&A Jim told us we are going to learn more of Thomas motivation for the attack on the Swarteleves. He wasn’t in a position to so going into stasis, ergo he is going to be brought out and healed (my way have Molly on standby, he has tried twice to feed on her, third times the charm, but now she is immortal he can feed, and feed and feed, intense life force without killing her and paying off the rest of Lara’s markers with Mab or building up a big favour in return. Again foreshadowing, Thomas was always going to feed on Molly, and she was always going to let him.
Thomas can then track down Justine whilst she is unaware he is active, and Harry’s needs to rid her of nemesis. Aside from an unravelling, Harry has both the Shroud AND soulfire both known for resurrection. If nemesis makes good it’s threat to kill Justine and the baby he has potentially the means to reverse that, which may clear Justine of Nemesis and the Baby of its infant demon, giving an avenue for curing Thomas.
This way Harry would still retain a huge favour from Mother Winter, and break another Law of Magic (Gotta get em all), a favour from Mother Winter is absolutely nothing to be sneezed at, perhaps release of Harry or Molly from Winter servitude? You just know Jim is going to force that choice of Harry at some point, and you know he is going to choose Molly.
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Finding out what Thomas's motivation was, doesn't necessarily follow that he will be healed.
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Finding out what Thomas's motivation was, doesn't necessarily follow that he will be healed.
Jim is setting Harry up for an upswing in the second part of the next book, just so he can take it all away from him in Mirror Mirror. To do that would require Thomas to be healed, Nemesis dealt with and Harry to build his economic and political power base in Chicago.
I hesitate to be more specific, I don’t want to give Jim ideas on torturing Harry. He already has plenty.
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Again foreshadowing, Thomas was always going to feed on Molly, and she was always going to let him.
The idea is to heal him, not have him beaten and clawed the rest of the way to death.
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Thomas is story meat kept in a freezer till needed by the exigency of the story. Butters learns magic and gets the Blackstaff. And maybe Granny Winter.
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Thomas is story meat kept in a freezer till needed by the exigency of the story. Butters learns magic and gets the Blackstaff. And maybe Granny Winter.
Yeah, but he has to cure her of spitting first... ::)
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The idea is to heal him, not have him beaten and clawed the rest of the way to death.
If this is in discharge of one or more favours to Winter, the Mantle will acquiesce, allow Thomas to feed, but not go all the way with Molly, leaving her once again frustrated, but this time fully Whamp frustrated. She will be worse than Harry in trying to work it off.