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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Conspiracy Theorist on March 16, 2021, 10:28:44 PM
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This is a being we never see, never hear but has a major impact upon the Dresdenverse. We get hints in series and in WOJ, but here are my speculations.
(1) The White God stabilised reality by clearing the other major players off the board, some are in Demonreach, some are just gone, some knuckled under and agreed not to interfere in reality, staying like Hades in the Never Never, or taking a lesser role like Odin. It did this by agreeing not to otherwise intervene. Ethnui never agreed and hid until BG.
(2) as part of the agreement the White God established thresholds and the sunrise rule to protect humanity from the Supernatural, as well as the other limitations on Fae, vampires etc. We have evidence in universe as to Thresholds, Kringle can bypass them on Christmas Night without losing power or express invitation (Christmas Eve) even the Carpenters. He lunches annually with Uriel, servant of the White God, ergo the White God controls Thresholds, allowing Kringle through all Thresholds.
(3) Starborn, what little we know suggests this is a heavenly event, it is too contrived for it to be otherwise than on purpose, so this suggests that this is again another arrangement.
Perhaps the White God was powerful enough to take on all comers from either inside or outside reality, but could not win a war on two fronts, simultaneous attacks from Inside and Out. The Arrangements effectively mean the White God is pretty much policing them full time, and only really has Uriel, who can’t do anything to intervene in mortal realities.
We don’t see the White God because he does pretty much nothing, we don’t see the White God because he is doing pretty much everything.
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All the fae can ignore thresholds if they just behave. Bringing presents of course helps. The white god is just a god like the rest and everything ran fine before he showed up and will be fine after he is gone when nobody believes in him anymore.
But Mister accepts all worship and won’t disagree with you if you give him credit for all kinds of wonderful things. It is as it should be.
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Kringle isn’t just Fae, and I would point you to Black Peter and Krampus (is Krampus actually Elder Gruff? It would make a kind of symmetry, the day the Good People actually live up to their name being the day the ‘good’ Summer Fae can be bad towards mortals) known associates of Kringle who do not behave well or bring presents. Harry had an obligation to Mab when she entered his property, and he never had much of a threshold.
The White God looks to be significantly more powerful than gods or Titans, even Archangels appear to be so, but is so hedged in the use of that power that there is little they can do, probably for fear of breaking reality and doing the Outsiders job for them. Something sets the rules for the supernatural world, if there is something more powerful than Archangels or the White God that’s a worry.
Mister is ‘just’ a cat and all cats accept all worship
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Kringle isn’t just Fae, and I would point you to Black Peter and Krampus (is Krampus actually Elder Gruff? It would make a kind of symmetry, the day the Good People actually live up to their name being the day the ‘good’ Summer Fae can be bad towards mortals) known associates of Kringle who do not behave well or bring presents.
Kringle is winter fae when in function. Vadderung is a completely different person, legally.
Mab and Cat Sith can enter houses without invitation if they behave, it is just how it works in the dresdenverse and there are millennia’s of stories and traditions backing it up.
Krampus has not been seen in the dresdenverse but he is santaclaus servant.
Harry had an obligation to Mab when she entered his property, and he never had much of a threshold.
Mab had no problem entering the carpenters home on Christmas Eve and that home has an enormous threshold.
The White God looks to be significantly more powerful than gods or Titans, even Archangels appear to be so,
He still has millions of active worshippers, of course he is.
but is so hedged in the use of that power that there is little they can do, probably for fear of breaking reality and doing the Outsiders job for them.
Sure but someone like ferrofax already has similar problems.
Something sets the rules for the supernatural world, if there is something more powerful than Archangels or the White God that’s a worry.
Why? If it is more powerful than it can even do less. Ik
Mister is ‘just’ a cat and all cats accept all worship
Heresy! Mister is the current bearer of the white gods mantle. It explains why he is not doing that much. He is taking a nap.
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Heresy! Mister is the current bearer of the white gods mantle. It explains why he is not doing that much. He is taking a nap.
That is when he isn't deciding life and death for small rodents and flying creatures.
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Do you think the crucifixion was when TWG decided to lay down the law for Gods and Monsters? It sort of fits as being the end of the era of myths and the start of recorded history.
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Do you think the crucifixion was when TWG decided to lay down the law for Gods and Monsters? It sort of fits as being the end of the era of myths and the start of recorded history.
Actually that is when mister got the mantle.
There always have been laws for gods and monsters. They just change sometimes the same way magic and it’s side effects change. Because human stories change.
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Actually that is when mister got the mantle.
There always have been landforms gods and monsters. They just change sometimes the same way magic and it’s side effects change. Because human stories change.
Yeah but Mister clearly installed a rules patch of some description that prevented most of the Gods and Monsters from walking around at full power, and using the blood sacrifice of the crucifixion would probably be enough power to handle the install. Why else was Vadderung forced to walk the world as a mortal?
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Yeah but Mister clearly installed a rules patch of some description that prevented most of the Gods and Monsters from walking around at full power, and using the blood sacrifice of the crucifixion would probably be enough power to handle the install. Why else was Vadderung forced to walk the world as a mortal?
Offered that or Demonreach or exile to the Never Never, and as a ‘helpful’ god he was given a choice, I suspect a lot weren’t and are in Demonreach
And Arjan my prediction is that Mister dies of old age over Twelve Months.
The crucifixion did something, too may artifacts of significance were used in it but this was only two millennia ago, many mythologies pre date it BUT you saw afterwards the displacement of ‘pagan’ symbols, holidays, iconography etc. Whilst the ‘deal’ may have been negotiated for the preceding millennia to it, the Crucifixtion my have been the White God’s “X” on the paperwork, making it irrevocable, literally signed in the White God’s blood. The Placard would likely have been the template for Thresholds. The Nails held Christ physically and spiritually in place. The Spear of Destiny would have tipped the outcome in favour of success using again the White God’s blood in the same way Harry used it in the binding of Ethnui. The Crown of Thorns unknown, the Grail is supposed to catch blood and is by myth a purifier, could it have been used to distil the power of the White God’s Blood? the Shroud is after the event, to protect the physical body of a Christ?
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Offered that or Demonreach or exile to the Never Never, and as a ‘helpful’ god he was given a choice, I suspect a lot weren’t and are in Demonreach
We have met some of the gods and there are clear indications we will meet more of them for example in the wrestling book.
And Arjan my prediction is that Mister dies of old age over Twelve Months.
Heretic! False prophet! Blasphemer!
You are clearly wrong.
The crucifixion did something, too may artifacts of significance were used in it but this was only two millennia ago, many mythologies pre date it BUT you saw afterwards the displacement of ‘pagan’ symbols, holidays, iconography etc. Whilst the ‘deal’ may have been negotiated for the preceding millennia to it, the Crucifixtion my have been the White God’s “X” on the paperwork, making it irrevocable, literally signed in the White God’s blood. The Placard would likely have been the template for Thresholds. The Nails held Christ physically and spiritually in place. The Spear of Destiny would have tipped the outcome in favour of success using again the White God’s blood in the same way Harry used it in the binding of Ethnui. The Crown of Thorns unknown, the Grail is supposed to catch blood and is by myth a purifier, could it have been used to distil the power of the White God’s Blood? the Shroud is after the event, to protect the physical body of a Christ?
All those artifacts probably predated Christianity for millennia and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they have all kinds of pagan stories attached to them just like Butters sword has become something totally new.
Forget your conspiracy theories. What you need is peace of mind and MSTR can give that to you. Take care of your cat.
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The artifacts do indeed pre date the crucifixtion, and the athame for example was something else before the Spear of Longinus, the nails probably not, angels likely volunteered to become swords. It must be so boring to be an angel that volunteering to be a nail and then a sword, is literally a blessed relief.
Stay out of mortal affairs seems to have been the decree, of course Odin didn’t and worked out his solution. Hades still has influence but doesn’t leave the Never Never. Ethnui didn’t and ended up at the receiving end of Uriel’s Starborn and a couple of Knights, before despatch to Demonreach.
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The artifacts do indeed pre date the crucifixtion, and the athame for example was something else before the Spear of Longinus, the nails probably not, angels likely volunteered to become swords. It must be so boring to be an angel that volunteering to be a nail and then a sword, is literally a blessed relief.
Stay out of mortal affairs seems to have been the decree, of course Odin didn’t and worked out his solution. Hades still has influence but doesn’t leave the Never Never. Ethnui didn’t and ended up at the receiving end of Uriel’s Starborn and a couple of Knights, before despatch to Demonreach.
The artifacts of the crucifixion having a prior history is interesting. Who were they sanctified to originally and were they given up voluntarily? Though using the artifacts as the framework for new protection makes sense, the placard and thresholds etc. is too close to not be intentional.
If you were an angel with limited free will and you got a chance to go help fight the good fight on the mortal realm wouldn't you jump at the chance?
Does the timeline work for Jesus to potentially be a Starborn as well?
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Does the timeline work for Jesus to potentially be a Starborn as well?
Actually that makes sense, "God gave His only begotten Son..." That is what was done for us, the rest of it is up to us.
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The artifacts of the crucifixion having a prior history is interesting. Who were they sanctified to originally and were they given up voluntarily? Though using the artifacts as the framework for new protection makes sense, the placard and thresholds etc. is too close to not be intentional.
If you were an angel with limited free will and you got a chance to go help fight the good fight on the mortal realm wouldn't you jump at the chance?
Does the timeline work for Jesus to potentially be a Starborn as well?
3*666=1998, so it works if you assume TWC was born a few years before the year 0 (Harry being from a few years before 1998 ;) )
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This is a being we never see, never hear but has a major impact upon the Dresdenverse. We get hints in series and in WOJ, but here are my speculations.
(1) The White God stabilised reality by clearing the other major players off the board, some are in Demonreach, some are just gone, some knuckled under and agreed not to interfere in reality, staying like Hades in the Never Never, or taking a lesser role like Odin. It did this by agreeing not to otherwise intervene. Ethnui never agreed and hid until BG.
(2) as part of the agreement the White God established thresholds and the sunrise rule to protect humanity from the Supernatural, as well as the other limitations on Fae, vampires etc. We have evidence in universe as to Thresholds, Kringle can bypass them on Christmas Night without losing power or express invitation (Christmas Eve) even the Carpenters. He lunches annually with Uriel, servant of the White God, ergo the White God controls Thresholds, allowing Kringle through all Thresholds.
(3) Starborn, what little we know suggests this is a heavenly event, it is too contrived for it to be otherwise than on purpose, so this suggests that this is again another arrangement.
Perhaps the White God was powerful enough to take on all comers from either inside or outside reality, but could not win a war on two fronts, simultaneous attacks from Inside and Out. The Arrangements effectively mean the White God is pretty much policing them full time, and only really has Uriel, who can’t do anything to intervene in mortal realities.
We don’t see the White God because he does pretty much nothing, we don’t see the White God because he is doing pretty much everything.
Your final point is one that has been brought up by theologists before, and is certainly a plausible reason for the seeming lack of direct interaction from TWG.
TWG created everything, the whole Dresden Universe and all the parallel realities. Jim has flat out stated that several times. The Archangels are apparently on the level of major deities like Zeus etc. Odin perhaps would have been that powerful but chose (unlike Zeus perhaps) to give up most of his power in order to operate. Rather like how a wizard must give up most of his power at the threshold unless invited in. Perhaps that's the point. But Jim has effectively stated that all the other gods are below TWG, because the Creator made reality and because that was such an incomprehensible and amazing event even the gods get confused about what actually happened. I mean, before Creation cause and effect weren't a thing and neither was time. So TWG is above regular gods...but that isn't to say we really understand what that means. TWG could represent the Christian Almighty, the Hebrew God, Allah, Yahweh, El Adonai, Aten, Ahura Mazda and many others. But clearly is more than any of that. All those names represent concepts to try and understand the Creator being of the Dresdenverse perhaps and probably are just as right as they might be wrong. Jim said a whole thing on how the gods and other such powerful spirits (including TWG) and probably the Outsiders, are so big and powerful that humans can't really understand them and try and fit them into boxes and then get confused why it doesn't work and have arguments about it. He had a whole metaphor about 3 blind men and an elephant (google it if you need).
I don't agree that Ethniu "hiding" allowed her to escape notice and retain her strength. Remember, all the Gods and Proto-Gods were mighty once since the beginning even if they have retreated or been killed/imprisoned or lessened themselves now. Ethniu isn't Archangel level - although her father Balor (being the chief deity of a pantheon like Zeus) probably was. It was his Eye that could kill Uriel and other such beings. It isn't clear when most of the gods disappeared. I doubt it was one event but something that occurred slowly over time. Ethniu is simply the "last" (debateable) of the proto-gods or titans. I don't think there was a big sit-down meeting as such, I think it was more the endless fighting coupled with humanity's own changes that did it. Remember, Ethniu calls out how because humanity has progressed they have destroyed too many holy places and this weakened the divine, how humanity basically growing up meant that the gods were no longer quite as necessary as they once might have been.
The starborn cycle, and it's associated events (there appears to be one convergence of the stars that allows for the creation of starborn, and one that happens later that uses whatever starborn are alive - and Jim keeps hinting that it is pretty bad whatever it is) - I wouldn't think it's a "holy" thing. More like unholy. The first event happens every 666 years, and Jim has confirmed it is connected to Lucifer and implied it's connected to whatever Lucifer was doing at the beginning.
Also, TWG has 3 other Archangels to help him out (Michael, Rafael and Gabriel). Uriel might be the one WE see most, but we are often told he the one least seen. I suspect we haven't really been shown what the others get up to (although we do know that the Archangel Michael gave Sanya his Sword). But Uriel isn't alone. Also there are thousands, perhaps millions of angels also helping.
The reason TWG and other large beings don't show up is because reality and Creation can barely handle it. That's why we probably don't see TWG, or rather, we don't see TWG as we expect to. Gard makes a point about how Vadderung is merely a facet of the actual being that he represents, condensed down into something the mortal world and mind can handle. I TWG does something similar, and he is many orders of magnitude more powerful. Perhaps the Archangels are merely facets of the greater being that is TWG. Perhaps all the Angels are. Most people would expect a single being to interact with. But why? If TWG is all-powerful and omnipresent, why would there be a single point? In fact, by definition TWG would have to be everywhere and therefore couldn't have a single origin point. So even if a character talked to a being that called itself TWG or something like it...it would only be a fraction of itself anyway, by definition. Just a mouthpiece.
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Except that it is quite possible that the Christian view on things is just one of the many valid ones and that the white god is also the three main Hindu gods or the sky Godoy tengrism. Watch out before you claim someone who will be quite different from whom you think he is.
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The starborn cycle, and it's associated events (there appears to be one convergence of the stars that allows for the creation of starborn, and one that happens later that uses whatever starborn are alive - and Jim keeps hinting that it is pretty bad whatever it is) - I wouldn't think it's a "holy" thing. More like unholy. The first event happens every 666 years, and Jim has confirmed it is connected to Lucifer and implied it's connected to whatever Lucifer was doing at the beginning.
No one else buys my WAG that the Starborn are powered/created by the light thrown off by Lucifer's grace as TWG stripped it from the Fallen during the Fall and that HE threw them down into Hell and the graces got thrown sideways which broke the walls to reality and created the need for the Outer Gates but I will die on this hill.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the various creator gods are all connected to the same Uber Entity, that way Jim doesn't need to say one religion is wrong, they are all various degrees of right.
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Actually it is explicitly said. People see only part of the picture:
"No. But it was done, so I tried not to be too bad at being Baptist." He rested a hand on the handle of his sword. "Then came into this. Made the whole thing more simple. I serve." "Serve who?" "Heaven. Or the divine in nature. The memory of my father’s past. My fellow man. Myself. All pieces of the same thing. Do you know the story of the blind men and the elephant?" "Have you heard the one about the bear that walks into a bar?" I responded. "I think that is a no," Shiro said. "Three blind men were shown an elephant. They touched it with their hands to determine what the creature was. The first man felt the trunk, and claimed that an elephant was like a snake. The second man touched its leg and claimed that an elephant was like a tree. The third man touched its tail, and claimed that the elephant was like a slender rope." I nodded. "Oh. I get it. All of them were right. All of them were wrong. They couldn't get the whole picture."
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Actually it is explicitly said. People see only part of the picture:
Or all three are "seeing" the same creature, but through three different pairs of eyes, in the end, it is still an elephant they are seeing. God is God or the Almighty as Harry would put it, but each of us has a different vision of Him.
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Or all three are "seeing" the same creature, but through three different pairs of eyes, in the end, it is still an elephant they are seeing. God is God or the Almighty as Harry would put it, but each of us has a different vision of Him.
A scheme that can be used to view almost any religion as valid and a path to the truth and gives none of them exclusively.
They are all right so Jim confirming some Christian mythology does not really make all the other things invalid. They are also true and all seeming inconsistencies are just due to our limitations.
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A scheme that can be used to view almost any religion as valid and a path to the truth and gives none of them exclusively.
They are all right so Jim confirming some Christian mythology does not really make all the other things invalid. They are also true and all seeming inconsistencies are just due to our limitations.
Exactly.
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The age of mythology had everything happen at once, according to WOJ linear time as we understand didn’t exist, so from the perspective of god level and above beings cause and effect simply did not exist. The White God likely imposed linear time on reality, from that point of view that would make him the creator, even though he existed in parallel to other entities of a like power level, and didn’t create them he was there first by creating the condition for there to be a first. The imposition of linear time out of non-linear time allowed for the evolution of man AND for the creation myths to simultaneously exist. The Earth is both billions years old AND 6000 years old at the same time. The artifacts most likely predate linear time and since caught up in it have appeared in many guises. The Grail may for example have been Zeus’ cup borne by Ganymede in the age of mythology. The Athame his thunderbolt, The Shroud the Golden Fleece, the Crown of Thorns his Laurel Wreath. Both are equally true.
The White God is therefore the Creator in every creation Myth under different names, whether as a single being, or group of beings, because as the Christian God they are three in one Father, Son and Holy Ghost. A unified yet also simultaneously multiple identity. All version of the creator are the true version.
The argument as regards Christ was that the White God created a part of itself that could bleed, it could therefore use its blood in a major spell within the framework of reality without breaking it or infringing it’s own rules as regards non-intervention. Christ was a designed step down such as that taken by Odin to be able to intervene in mortal reality.
When Ethnui was hiding it was more like laying low, staying below the radar, not exhibiting power at a reality breaking level until Battle Ground, not unlike several god level entities posing as wrestlers. She was keeping the truce, in fact though she was biding her time.
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What Has The White God Ever Done For Us?
Let there be light.
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Except that it is quite possible that the Christian view on things is just one of the many valid ones and that the white god is also the three main Hindu gods or the sky Godoy tengrism. Watch out before you claim someone who will be quite different from whom you think he is.
I don't think we are on different sides of this. To be clear, I am not claiming anything about our world just the Dresden Files multiverse. In saying that...the being that is referred to as TWG or Creator or Almighty (the names appear to be interchangeable) in the series and on these forums (which seems to be the same being), is the Creator of and apparent ruler of the Dresden Files multiverse. Seemingly this being answers to many names because it's so big it can't be contained by just one name or idea. Knowing what we know about names in the Dresdenverse it's clear that such a beings "true" name isn't known, just a series of identities humanity has assigned to it - which both shape it yet ultimately the being is still what it is. Jim once said that it isn't the beings themselves that change, just humanity's perception of who and what they are. Jim hasn't explored the Hindu religion much (and has said he is a little uncomfortable doing so), but he has mentioned it. The theory that TWG is also Trimurti or Devi etc is probably just as valid as anything else. We simply don't have enough information. Although I will say that Zeus and Odin according to their respective legends created the universe...and that doesn't quite seem to be the case. Perhaps they are simply emanations or offshoots off of some greater being as Serack and others have suggested. We may never know.
Actually it is explicitly said. People see only part of the picture:
Again, we seem to be arguing the same point. I even referenced that EXACT metaphor He had a whole metaphor about 3 blind men and an elephant (google it if you need).
. Jim has quoted it a few times, not to mention writing it into his series. It's one of the bigger hints about the nature of the Creator.
A scheme that can be used to view almost any religion as valid and a path to the truth and gives none of them exclusively.
They are all right so Jim confirming some Christian mythology does not really make all the other things invalid. They are also true and all seeming inconsistencies are just due to our limitations.
I never said anything was invalid. In fact I was first to make the point that the seeming inconsistencies were due to human limitation. Your argument was that TWG is a god like any other and that's patently untrue. You haven't proven that at all. TWG/Creator/Almighty was the one who created reality...so things were not 'fine' before he showed up. There is no telling and what would happen if TWG left reality or was forgotten about...but in the latter case all that would mean is the being was less accessible and had less access itself. As for whether reality would survive TWG leaving or dying (assuming either option were possible...depends on what the Creator is) there is no way to know what would happen, but I would guess being the Dresden Files it would be fairly bad. If it makes you more comfortable call TWG by another name, the main problem being unless you explicitly connect that name to the Creator and his associated forces etc, it might be that people don't understand you. That's why most people on the internet when talking about the Creator being of the Dresdenverse (not Jim of course) use the term TWG or Almighty, because that's the pattern Jim uses.
The age of mythology had everything happen at once, according to WOJ linear time as we understand didn’t exist, so from the perspective of god level and above beings cause and effect simply did not exist. The White God likely imposed linear time on reality, from that point of view that would make him the creator, even though he existed in parallel to other entities of a like power level, and didn’t create them he was there first by creating the condition for there to be a first. The imposition of linear time out of non-linear time allowed for the evolution of man AND for the creation myths to simultaneously exist. The Earth is both billions years old AND 6000 years old at the same time. The artifacts most likely predate linear time and since caught up in it have appeared in many guises. The Grail may for example have been Zeus’ cup borne by Ganymede in the age of mythology. The Athame his thunderbolt, The Shroud the Golden Fleece, the Crown of Thorns his Laurel Wreath. Both are equally true.
The White God is therefore the Creator in every creation Myth under different names, whether as a single being, or group of beings, because as the Christian God they are three in one Father, Son and Holy Ghost. A unified yet also simultaneously multiple identity. All version of the creator are the true version.
The argument as regards Christ was that the White God created a part of itself that could bleed, it could therefore use its blood in a major spell within the framework of reality without breaking it or infringing it’s own rules as regards non-intervention. Christ was a designed step down such as that taken by Odin to be able to intervene in mortal reality.
When Ethnui was hiding it was more like laying low, staying below the radar, not exhibiting power at a reality breaking level until Battle Ground, not unlike several god level entities posing as wrestlers. She was keeping the truce, in fact though she was biding her time.
Again, even if there was some pre-universe age of myth the being called TWG and Creator etc. appears to be of a different sort to Zeus and other such Godhead deities. Archangels and the Mothers are at Zeus level...TWG is a level above that. Think about it, how else could one being of the same power impose it's will on the rest? It would have to have been the major entity around. I am not saying TWG is necessarily any more Christian than Hindu or Jewish or Muslim...I am saying it is beyond such concepts because it existed before humanity could conceive such things. Before humanity even existed. It's akin to a force of reality like Gravity (or perhaps all of them) more than a single being in the one spot.
It's an interesting theory you put forward but I haven't seen anything to suggest that this is what Jim wrote or conceived. If you choose to view it that way go for it but I don't think it's the actual case of what is true to the series.
We are in agreement mostly on what The White Christ (TWC) is and was created for. Just as Beowulf is a facet of the being that Odin is, distilled down for human reasons, I think that it's a fair assumption that TWC (who was been repeatedly mentioned and objects tied to him have appeared) is much the same for the TWG. It's an interesting idea that TWG needed to be able to bleed, and so had to create a mortal offshoot in order to do that without breaking it's own rules (the whole sandbox thing). I don't think there is any hard evidence to support that...but it's a sound enough idea anyway. The blood definitely seems to be important, and I daresay the sacrifice was at least partially planned. It would depend on the ratio of predestination to chance, although that isn't mutually exclusive either. And then there is Free Will involved...
Also, to be clear - nowhere does it say that Ethniu showing up in Battle Ground caused reality to break (like it might have if Ferrovax showed his TRUE form). The evidence for that is that reality DIDN'T break...although it clearly was struggling. Ethniu was straining reality around her. But like Uriel or Ferrovax (and she was stronger than Ferro) she had a form that she could move around reality in without instantly collapsing it. Perhaps she couldn't go to her true form...but more likely that isn't exactly what she wanted. In fact, I think she would have exposed herself to intervention from higher-tier cosmic beings. Ferrovax could have fought her openly, or perhaps the Angels etc. I doubt she was looking for that. It was the Eye of Balor that really made things unstable anyway...that's what Bob talks about in Battle Ground. It's not clear whether the gods that are pro-wrestlers could manifest their full might anymore even if they wanted to. I get the impression that Vadderung can't just power up and get what he lost back, he has purposely traded off the majority of his power for the chance to be more involved.
Let there be light.
Heh, I like the snark. I guess the Dresden Files universe probably should be thankful for that.
But on a more serious note, it's always interesting how modern understanding is "Let there be light" is the moment of Creation, probably because the imagery of that with the Big Bang works. However if you actually read Genesis you will see that in the first sentence God creates the Heavens and the Earth. The second sentence says " And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." And then the third sentence "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Only then do we get to "Let there be light". This is from the King James Version. Which makes sense, God's created the Heavens and the Earth but everything is dark and therefore needs light, and so makes that too. Which is pretty impressive, as it seems like God creates everything in the dark. Lots of interpretations on what all that means, but just thought I would share that fun bit.
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Maybe a little snark, but the phrase shows up in the books.
What held me down now was pure, undiluted will—the same kind of will that I suspected had backed up events presaged by phrases like “Let there be light.”
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 323). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Maybe a little snark, but the phrase shows up in the books.
Oh no I totally understand that. It's heavily implied it was the TWG who said it, which is consistent with [Harry's understanding of] Christian teachings.
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Oh no I totally understand that. It's heavily implied it was the TWG who said it, which is consistent with [Harry's understanding of] Christian teachings.
Or he did not and it became part of the story because humans said it and it became true in some sense.
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Maybe a little snark, but the phrase shows up in the books.
Or Creation was the will of the Almighty, "let there be light" is part of that will.. Mother Winter is a force of nature, her will is God's will, so one in the same.
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Or Creation was the will of the Almighty, "let there be light" is part of that will.. Mother Winter is a force of nature, her will is God's will, so one in the same.
Exactly, or perhaps will be or has been so if the Archangels, Fae Queens and god’s like Odin and Hades coalesce into a single identity, the White God exists, will exist, has always existed. From our linear existence we only see them in their ‘current’ individual aspects.