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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Mira on December 23, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
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In "Christmas Eve" we have Mab paying a visit to Harry at the Carpenter house with a gift for
little Maggie that was influenced by the movie, "Frozen." Now Mab did make some "Mabbish" demands with it, like to be sure little Maggie knows who that gift comes from. We hear from Molly that Mab had consulted with Sarissa and had actually sat through the movie, and she totally hates Disney. Longand the short of it, it was a small gesture of humanity on Mab's part towards Harry.. My question is,did Molly have a lot more to do with it than Sarissa?
In "Good People," Mab confronts Molly and tells her she has to give up being human if she is ever going to succeed as a Winter Queen. Molly isn't about to take any crap, gets in her face and tells her where she can put the ice.. Mab oddly backs down, a reaction we've seen before, but when Harry has done very much the same thing. Now Mab does accuse Molly of some "Summer" behavior, but I think she was just blowing frost. I think Molly was able to melt that ice cube that Mab has as a heart just a bit, thus, though it wasn't much and she needed Sarissa's help, she made the gesture that she did towards Harry with the gift for little Maggie without losing her image..
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Mab is very rational. If Molly can explain herself rationally in terms of her job she will listen. Mab can make Molly obey perhaps but that is not the normal way things work apparently.
Mab really takes Molly seriously.
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Mab is very rational. If Molly can explain herself rationally in terms of her job she will listen. Mab can make Molly obey perhaps but that is not the normal way things work apparently.
Mab really takes Molly seriously.
But was this what motivated Mab to show "kindness" towards Harry on Christmas Eve?
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Molly was able to accomplish what she did in Good People not despite her Mantle, but because of it. This would indicate Molly has unlocked previously unexplored potential in the Mantle even Mab was unaware of, due in no small part to her humanity and the influence of her father.
This must be terribly disconcerting to Mab, what sort of Winter Queen would Molly make? It’s clear from Christmas Eve the same potential exists in the Queens Mantle as the Mantle would have rebelled against Molly’s and Sarissa’s urging otherwise. Mab is how she is at least in part because of her choice, not the Mantle, and that’s what makes her a villain, and Molly a hero. Molly has chosen differently and the Mantle is acquiescing. She will accompany and work with Kringle in the future, and Kringle approves. He has always updated and changed, Mab hasn’t but the new Winter Lady.
You do realise that when Harry finds out (and he will) he will get Molly an Elf Outfit and a pair of Spock Ears.
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But was this what motivated Mab to show "kindness" towards Harry on Christmas Eve?
It was not kindness but Mab felt it proper to give a present. For her it is an obligation and she takes them seriously.
But Mab might get influenced by Molly’s actions. She will give it a completely strange Mab interpretation though.
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Molly was able to accomplish what she did in Good People not despite her Mantle, but because of it. This would indicate Molly has unlocked previously unexplored potential in the Mantle even Mab was unaware of, due in no small part to her humanity and the influence of her father.
This must be terribly disconcerting to Mab, what sort of Winter Queen would Molly make? It’s clear from Christmas Eve the same potential exists in the Queens Mantle as the Mantle would have rebelled against Molly’s and Sarissa’s urging otherwise. Mab is how she is at least in part because of her choice, not the Mantle, and that’s what makes her a villain, and Molly a hero. Molly has chosen differently and the Mantle is acquiescing. She will accompany and work with Kringle in the future, and Kringle approves. He has always updated and changed, Mab hasn’t but the new Winter Lady.
You do realise that when Harry finds out (and he will) he will get Molly an Elf Outfit and a pair of Spock Ears.
I wonder how much of Mab was made by choice and how much of her humanity sort of eroded away as she summoned the Banner over the ages. We know that Kringle through his various alter-egos has some connection with humanity still. What if Mab didn't have that connection through the Mantle? Or that by giving up that part of her she lost access to some of the strength of Winter?
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On the other hand it makes me consider that I can't really think of any literal reason why Mab is considered villainous
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As I usually say, JB has changed Mab. In the first books it is mentioned several times how cruel is Mab. How she likes to torture people, and not only Slate. In Changes, Harry says something along the lines that she is the less of the evils because she is not wicked, and in BG she is like a Vulcan. So I understand she began as a villain but she is not that anymore. And I bet in the next books she will be regaining parts of her humanity and when she dies (BAT, I guess) she will have her redemption.
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She attempted to kill the Archive by letting the Hobs loose in a train station. Kidnapped Molly and brought her to Arctis Tor and let the Scarecrow dine on her. Set the fetches on the movie theater owner just to get Harry's attention. Tortures Slate to madness.
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She attempted to kill the Archive by letting the Hobs loose in a train station. Kidnapped Molly and brought her to Arctis Tor and let the Scarecrow dine on her. Set the fetches on the movie theater owner just to get Harry's attention. Tortures Slate to madness.
Kidnapped Molly, this was at the time when Maeve was Nfected & Arctis Tor was recently attacked in PG, not sure what the entire picture is actually like but it sounds like a manipulation to put Molly & Harry together, which Michael said "Maybe this was about getting Molly to protect you, Harry", which might points to not just Mab but also Uriel, as Mab conveyed she worked with Uriel in the aftermath of SF.
Mab also sent Harry to save the Archive if the Hobs failed in that book (SF). It's cold blooded manipulation, but as I pointed out in the other thread, Uriel also manipulated Harry at the risk of his mortal soul, no regret no admission & yet he's not consider a villain by Harry, Jim or readers.
Slate was directly involved in Nfected Maeve scheme, he betrayed Winter. If that punishment is out of ordinary for Winter Court, then maybe it's a villainous act, but was it? I don't think so.
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She attempted to kill the Archive by letting the Hobs loose in a train station. Kidnapped Molly and brought her to Arctis Tor and let the Scarecrow dine on her. Set the fetches on the movie theater owner just to get Harry's attention. Tortures Slate to madness.
She does what she thinks is necessary which Can be horrible and does not has to be necessary. That was always the case and was mentioned in old woj. The difference is that we now know how important her purpose is and how hard she works for it. She becomes more complicated when we get close to her but she was never that one dimensional.
It will be denied and Uriel will have a big tale about choice and free will but maybe he had something to do with putting Molly into position as well. Uriel is the one who says he does nothing and suddenly everything falls into place. His cooperation with Odin and Mab in changes is also telling.
But even earlier in grave peril Michael can not interfere in a deal between Harry and Lea.
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Morally the end doesn't justify the means.
@Mira
Molly was bait, used first by Maeve and the BC and then by Mab in PG. Harry was the catch in both cases.
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Morally the end doesn't justify the means.
That is made more complicated because Jim makes the end the survival of everyone and this reality. Then the question becomes are these means really necessary? Molly tries to prove it is not.
In reality the means are just part of your end. If Mab kills someone to save the world the world is not saved for that person. The dead of that person is part of the end, not just a way to get there.
The real meaning of the saying is: My end justifies the means.
So sometimes the end really justifies the means but more often it does not. I think everyone can make up examples.
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As I usually say, JB has changed Mab. In the first books it is mentioned several times how cruel is Mab. How she likes to torture people, and not only Slate. In Changes, Harry says something along the lines that she is the less of the evils because she is not wicked, and in BG she is like a Vulcan. So I understand she began as a villain but she is not that anymore. And I bet in the next books she will be regaining parts of her humanity and when she dies (BAT, I guess) she will have her redemption.
That's one way to perceive the progress of her character, I kind of think she perceived that her death is imminent.
The other is that she's just casted in the light as a villain because Harry thought so, humans are biased towards "monsters" after all. The next is that we're being set up to a routine to lull us until a moment which she launches a major betrayal.
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Man is mostly described from Harry’s point of view and his point of view changes. He gets closer to Mab and sees things in more detail. I do not think Mab changed that much, the Mab we see now already came through in some earlier woj. The character is more fleshed out.
Also the concept of complete alien and impossible to understand Sidhe is just not possible to maintain and to write if you get closer to them.
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Morally the end doesn't justify the means.
@Mira
Molly was bait, used first by Maeve and the BC and then by Mab in PG. Harry was the catch in both cases.
Yes, but the bait usually doesn't turn on you. Molly turned on Mab when she chided her for still
acting human, in her effort to try and make it up to the people of Chicago for all that they have lost. She and Harry are in agreement about that, and it is actually Mab who is being short sighted there.
Molly proves to her that she is no push over and that she agrees with Harry. The interesting point is Mab complains that Molly was acting more like summer, and in Cold Days Mab actually says that she had intended originally for Molly to be the Summer Lady. I also think this confrontation motivated Mab to do something totally out of character for her, which is what we saw in Christmas Eve.
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I got the impression that Molly met Mab after Mab went to Harry.
Yes. The story begins after Molly leaves her parents home before Kringle arrives so the Mab’s present was already given.
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I got the impression that Molly met Mab after Mab went to Harry.
Yeah I think she did, Mab showed up & gave Harry gift first, then Molly after a while, which soon followed by Kringle. Molly said she left her parents’ house before Kringle was due to arrive, so that's right after she went in to her place which haven't been confirmed if it's the house across the street (most likely) or her place in svartalves complex (which might be too much of a stretch given she needed to give a tiny lift when closing the door, svartalves apartment sounded much more modern to have that door quirk).
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Man is mostly described from Harry’s point of view and his point of view changes. He gets closer to Mab and sees things in more detail. I do not think Mab changed that much, the Mab we see now already came through in some earlier woj. The character is more fleshed out.
Also the concept of complete alien and impossible to understand Sidhe is just not possible to maintain and to write if you get closer to them.
Agree, and yeah humans in my post mostly referred to wizards & other humans who more or less had limited experience/interaction with fae, not including changeling for example.
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Yes, but the bait usually doesn't turn on you. Molly turned on Mab when she chided her for still
acting human, in her effort to try and make it up to the people of Chicago for all that they have lost. She and Harry are in agreement about that, and it is actually Mab who is being short sighted there.
Molly proves to her that she is no push over and that she agrees with Harry. The interesting point is Mab complains that Molly was acting more like summer, and in Cold Days Mab actually says that she had intended originally for Molly to be the Summer Lady. I also think this confrontation motivated Mab to do something totally out of character for her, which is what we saw in Christmas Eve.
Bait was with respect to Proven Guilty not the microfiction. The microfiction is fluff.
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I agree about our perspective of Mab changing because Harry changes how he sees her, but
She attempted to kill the Archive by letting the Hobs loose in a train station. Kidnapped Molly and brought her to Arctis Tor and let the Scarecrow dine on her. Set the fetches on the movie theater owner just to get Harry's attention. Tortures Slate to madness.
it's still true.
I don't think that "she kidnapped her because she wanted to catch Harry" is better than "she kidnapped her"
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but she kidnapped molly to trick harry into a mentor-student situation is better than she kidnapped her for infinite torture sport
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but she kidnapped molly to trick harry into a mentor-student situation is better than she kidnapped her for infinite torture sport
"You had several people killed/hospitalised and kidnapped and traumatised a teenager, but it was all just part of your ploy to use said minor as a tool to manipulate Dresden, so it's cool"
Yeah, let's throw her a parade.
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"You had several people killed/hospitalised and kidnapped and traumatised a teenager, but it was all just part of your ploy to use said minor as a tool to manipulate Dresden, so it's cool"
Yeah, let's throw her a parade.
did i say cool & parade? stop being overdramatic & assume i said something that's only in your head
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did i say cool & parade? stop being overdramatic & assume i said something that's only in your head
I would have classified it as mild exageration rather than overdramatic. I'm sorry if I came across as dismissive or insulting.
But yeah, I was exaggerating, because that's honestly an argument I've seen frequently in the "Is Mab a bad guy" debates- that because she isn't literally as evil as possible at all times, she's good.
Sorry if I seemed to throw you in with that crowd.
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One possible way to look at Mab is like a tool with no moral compass. She has a task and will commit murder to attend to that task, if she thinks it will move the task in a direction she believes it needs to go. One way of reading what she tells Harry to do if she dies is to understand that Molly can't do what she does. That she can't remove the emotion from her execution of the duties that Mab must perform. She can't be Santa's helper. She has to be the monster. This is all hashed over in previous books. Mother Summer define the risks when she describes the relationship between Titania and Mab.
“She could,” Mother Summer said, “if she were willing to forfeit reality.” I scanned the length of the wall nervously. It looked like it went on forever—and there was fighting all along its length. “You’re telling me that this is why Mab has her power? To . . . to protect the borders?” “To protect all of you from the Outsiders, mortal.” “Then why does Titania have hers?” I asked. “To protect all of you from Mab.”
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 342). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Mab briefly alludes to this in cold Days when she tells Harry that Molly would have been more suitable for Summer.
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I would have classified it as mild exageration rather than overdramatic. I'm sorry if I came across as dismissive or insulting.
But yeah, I was exaggerating, because that's honestly an argument I've seen frequently in the "Is Mab a bad guy" debates- that because she isn't literally as evil as possible at all times, she's good.
Sorry if I seemed to throw you in with that crowd.
that's alright, i'm just tired of being taken in bad faith & misinterpreted in reddit when i literally said some literal words with no hidden meanings
One possible way to look at Mab is like a tool with no moral compass. She has a task and will commit murder to attend to that task, if she thinks it will move the task in a direction she believes it needs to go. One way of reading what she tells Harry to do if she dies is to understand that Molly can't do what she does. That she can't remove the emotion from her execution of the duties that Mab must perform. She can't be Santa's helper. She has to be the monster. This is all hashed over in previous books. Mother Summer define the risks when she describes the relationship between Titania and Mab.Mab briefly alludes to this in cold Days when she tells Harry that Molly would have been more suitable for Summer.
i guess i should've checked WoJ first on what he thinks Mab is like before i posted my first post, but here's part of it
Ask yourself why Mab had Molly brought in. What chain of events did that set in motion? What secondary effects came about because of it? Ultimately, Mab can always go to the Wyld and draw in more muscle to replace fallen thugs. If worst comes to worst, with just a few “seed” fae, she could rear up enough Changelings to repopulate her cadre within a human generation or two–nothing, to a being thousands of years old.
As far as she’s concerned, everyone and everything is expendable, including herself, when it comes to adhering to her (seemingly irrational and inexplicable) priorities.
(And by the way–don’t think Titania is much better. When push came to shove, she let her own daughter be murdered rather than upset the balance of the Faerie Courts. At least Mab is up front about it. Usually.)
Sacrifice her best troops? Mab would sacrifice every creature *in* Winter, every one she could bring from Summer, and every single mortal on planet Earth if that’s what she thought was appropriate. And she wouldn’t even need to add extra sugar to her cup of tea afterwards, much less lose sleep over it.
But no one does cold-blooded like the Queen of Winter. Mab’s been in the business a long time, she’s got a balance sheet, and she is *not* going to come out in the red, unless, of course, she really *has* stripped a gear, as Lily and Maeve believe. In which case there’s a stark raving bonkers demigoddess whose powers are no longer being held in check by the Escher-esque code of Sidhe behavior. And that’s all kinds of bad.
But hey. It’s probably not that. I mean, not *everything* that happens can be the absolute worst possible possibility, right? >:D
and this is probably related
Did Mab lie? (At the end of Ghost Story)
Mab did not lie, Mab was wrong. There’s a subtle difference to that, at the end of Ghost Story. As far as Mab is concerned, she’s telling the truth, because she’s telling the truth from her experience, as she knows it.
So i guess it might also be a scenario of very fine line between she's a zealot/she's just misguided/she's super super stubborn vs she's evil, or perhaps the first caused Jim considers her the latter. Same could be said about Blackstaff.
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i guess i should've checked WoJ first on what he thinks Mab is like before i posted my first post, but here's part of itand this is probably related
For reference:On the other hand it makes me consider that I can't really think of any literal reason why Mab is considered villainous
Emphasis added. I don't think why Mab does what she does or the stakes stops many from seeing Mab as villainous. Here's the Webster's definition of villian:
1: a character in a story or play who opposes the hero
2: a deliberate scoundrel or criminal
3: one blamed for a particular evil or difficulty
Mab fits one and three pretty well. Arguments can be made for two. Google's definition, "(in a film, novel, or play) a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot," make it easier to argue that Mab isn't a villain because her motives aren't evil and her actions arguably aren't either. One can argue that evil requires agency. Mab may not have any agency left. On the other hand, plenty of people think of pretty much every misfortune as evil. And on the third hand, it's easy to argue that the Faerie Queens have much more agency than we thought early on in the series.
Whether necessary or not, Mab's done a lot of terrible things.
So I don't think it was error in the least to not worry about that WoJ when posing your question.
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Points all around. My one major concern about Mab herself being evil is that her power is pretty much came from Mother Winter's will, and she's quite possibly a literal force, so without her mantle Mab would be a different person.
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There is woj about Murphy being a villain in the first books. Jim seems to use the first definition.
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There is woj about Murphy being a villain in the first books. Jim seems to use the first definition.
I think Mab is a character that evolves. When Molly talks about her talk with Harry, she is also talking about her visit to her folks.. So the confrontation still may have happened before Mab took Harry the present. But back to Mab, she isn't one dimensional, and will, I think turn out to be a lot more complicated than we think. We start off like Harry, thinking she is merely evil, but as time goes on and understand her more, not so much, more like doing a very difficult job that has to be done. Though I am not sure why she thinks she has to marry Harry off to Lara.
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I think Mab is a character that evolves. When Molly talks about her talk with Harry, she is also talking about her visit to her folks.. So the confrontation still may have happened before Mab took Harry the present. But back to Mab, she isn't one dimensional, and will, I think turn out to be a lot more complicated than we think. We start off like Harry, thinking she is merely evil, but as time goes on and understand her more, not so much, more like doing a very difficult job that has to be done. Though I am not sure why she thinks she has to marry Harry off to Lara.
Because her purpose is everything. An alliance with the white court is valuable for many reasons so she would have married Lara herself if she could but if not it is Harry’s task.
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Because her purpose is everything. An alliance with the white court is valuable for many reasons so she would have married Lara herself if she could but if not it is Harry’s task.
However it shouldn't have to come to that, because of the danger they all face. In other words there have to be more than one way to cement an alliance.
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However it shouldn't have to come to that, because of the danger they all face. In other words there have to be more than one way to cement an alliance.
But this is in Mab’s mind the best and most secure way and that is what counts. If you have a better idea you can tell her.
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But this is in Mab’s mind the best and most secure way and that is what counts. If you have a better idea you can tell her.
Molly may come up with one, it also might have been a plan that Mab has long had in the works. A clue that Molly knew something was up was the look she gave Lara after the battle with the kraken and they were all on shore again. Harry admitted that he missed it, but at the same time he wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't significant.
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I think Mab is a character that evolves. When Molly talks about her talk with Harry, she is also talking about her visit to her folks.. So the confrontation still may have happened before Mab took Harry the present. But back to Mab, she isn't one dimensional, and will, I think turn out to be a lot more complicated than we think. We start off like Harry, thinking she is merely evil, but as time goes on and understand her more, not so much, more like doing a very difficult job that has to be done. Though I am not sure why she thinks she has to marry Harry off to Lara.
I think she’s angling Lara as her own replacement.
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I think she’s angling Lara as her own replacement.
I think the alliance is a good enough explanation. Molly and Harry don’t like it, prefer another solution and might find one but they do not deny the logic of it either.
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I think the alliance is a good enough explanation. Molly and Harry don’t like it, prefer another solution and might find one but they do not deny the logic of it either.
Yes, the alliance makes Winter stronger and definitely makes Harry safer. Lara will at a minimum give him access to intel as he needs it and probably a hidden back-up security team.
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Anyone else dissapointed Rudolph isn't a fae?
I mean I think as far as fairy tale myths go there's enough belief in him to make him real Dresdenverse.
He's got more belief in him than Eldest Gruff.
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Anyone else dissapointed Rudolph isn't a fae?
I mean I think as far as fairy tale myths go there's enough belief in him to make him real Dresdenverse.
He's got more belief in him than Eldest Gruff.
Yeah it's too bad, if he was a fae Harry would have been allowed to murder hi...
Oh wait, you meant the reindeer.
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Yeah it's too bad, if he was a fae Harry would have been allowed to murder hi...
Oh wait, you meant the reindeer.
....well played sir, well played.
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It would be so good if Rudolph had been a Winter fae. I am sure Mab would have give Harry free rein to play with him. His own Lloyd Slate.
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It would be so good if Rudolph had been a Winter fae. I am sure Mab would have give Harry free rein to play with him. His own Lloyd Slate.
I am sure Mab would not have to give free rein. Something like that can be avenged without asking for permission.
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Anyone else dissapointed Rudolph isn't a fae?
The lead reindeer was surrounded by a corona of fiery red light centered around its burning red eyes, not its nose.
The nose would have been cuter. This thing looked like it might casually snap its thick leather harness and rip my face off with razor-sharp hooves.
I took this to be Rudolph.
Traditionally, Santa has a team of eight reindeer side by side. Rudolph is the ninth reindeer and doesn't have a partner. If the reindeer with a red glow is leading the team, I'm going to say it is Rudolph until someone can give me better reasons for why it isn't. Both the red glow and the fact that there is a lead reindeer are reasons to think it is Rudolph. The only reason I see to think it isn't, is that it's not his nose that glows. I mean, the Santa we get has a sword and hunting leathers. Why shouldn't Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer also be a few degrees off of cute and cuddly towards scary as well.
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I don't think anyone is saying that was not Rudolph, only that he is not a fae.
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If he's with Kringle, why wouldn't he be fae? What am I missing here?
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He could for example be Sleipnir in masquerade.
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I think the alliance is a good enough explanation. Molly and Harry don’t like it, prefer another solution and might find one but they do not deny the logic of it either.
Mab has twice brought up that Molly would not be able to handle [Mab’s] Mantle. I think Mab wants Lara to marry Harry so that there’s enough Winter about her that Mab’s Mantle could choose Lara instead of Molly in the event of Mab’s death. In the same way that training with Leah allowed Molly to become Winter Lady. And Lara is is much more in line with Mab’s way of operating than Molly- already used to nigh-immortality, predatory mindset offset by control and planning.
So yeah, that’s why I think Mab’s pushing (or agreed to it if it was Lara’s suggestion) the arrangement. But I’m not sure Lara is in on that part or not.
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He could for example be Sleipnir in masquerade.
Or just a familiar (but I don't think so).
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I still want the Red Nose Reindeer.
My childhood demands it.
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I still want the Red Nose Reindeer.
My childhood demands it.
It is a recent invention. There is even copyright on it. I don’t like it.
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This whole thing would look like the makings of a Harry-Molly coup against Mab if we didn't know better.
Molly is acquiring external power for Harry (usurping/allying Kringle in Harry's name, letting mortals know HE helped them...), and Harry is always rebelling against Mab, and clearly rubbing that off on Molly. Granted they're also aligning against Marcone by affecting humans in Chicago, but well, he's a Denarian now and all.
And yeah, the reindeer are probably a mask of Sleipnir. Who knows, maybe Rudolph just IS Slepnir, same as Kringle is Odin.
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This whole thing would look like the makings of a Harry-Molly coup against Mab if we didn't know better.
I agree, the beginning of that set up in my opinion was at the end of Skin Game when Harry and Molly had their little talk with Mab and Marcone. There are Winter rules that both must follow but Harry and Molly will remain loyal to one another. I think that Mab is attempting to drive a wedge between them, that is why she is pushing for Harry to marry Lara, not some stronger alliance with the White Court.
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He could for example be Sleipnir in masquerade.
I'd say Rupolph/Sleipnir is just as much a fae in that case as Santa/Odin is. Or alternatively isn't.
Mab has twice brought up that Molly would not be able to handle [Mab’s] Mantle. I think Mab wants Lara to marry Harry so that there’s enough Winter about her that Mab’s Mantle could choose Lara instead of Molly in the event of Mab’s death.
Here's a thought. Or instead of Lara, Lara and Harry's child that Mab said she wanted them to have. (I doubt it, because such a child is unlikely to be born and grow old enough over the remainder of the series).
Harry is always rebelling against Mab, and clearly rubbing that off on Molly.
I'm not sure if her rebelliousness has anything to do with Harry. She's introduced as rebellious.
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It is a recent invention. There is even copyright on it. I don’t like it.
Fae must be very careful about third party copyright, I suspect Mab owns pizza S’Press, and has had dealings with Disney.
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Fae must be very careful about third party copyright, I suspect Mab owns pizza S’Press, and has had dealings with Disney.
I think purely the fact that we know who invented the story damages its value as a myth. Copyright is even worse.
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Fae must be very careful about third party copyright, I suspect Mab owns pizza S’Press, and has had dealings with Disney.
I always suspected Marcone owned pizza s'press.
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I always suspected Marcone owned pizza s'press.
That does feels like a Marcone kind of move, buying out the franchise just so one day he can go "Thanks for all the money you gave to build up my Empire Dresden."
He probably also bought the local Burger King, the Monster.
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That does feels like a Marcone kind of move, buying out the franchise just so one day he can go "Thanks for all the money you gave to build up my Empire Dresden."
He probably also bought the local Burger King, the Monster.
Well you need to be warned if Harry or Molly suddenly order a lot of extra pizza.
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Well you need to be warned if Harry or Molly suddenly order a lot of extra pizza.
That is why a pizza oven and a full time production crew specializing in pizza catering to pixie tastes
is part of the castle make over.
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Yes I can see Marcone buying the local Burger King Franchises would appeal to Marcone to spite Harry, secretly switching out the coke for Pepsi not sure he realises the Pizza S’Press connection, nor would Mab allow him to gain that degree of influence over the Little Folk in her Court. Again this is a reason for Mab to purchase Pizza S’Press. Mab is discharging her favours, not seeking to become beholden anew.
A Pizza oven operated by the Gargoyles on the roof would also make sense, better yet a Gargoyle/ Pizza Oven hybrid, vomiting forth pizza.
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There is another example of Harry bound by habit making him more vulnerable. For decades he orders all his pizza’s at the same place. Mab has to buy the place now or maybe Molly did. It would be a smart move.
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There is another example of Harry bound by habit making him more vulnerable. For decades he orders all his pizza’s at the same place. Mab has to buy the place now or maybe Molly did. It would be a smart move.
Or it could be that Toot and company are particular about who makes their pizza and only Pizza S'Press will do.
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Or it could be that Toot and company are particular about who makes their pizza and only Pizza S'Press will do.
Unlikely. Pizza s’press is not that good. It is nowhere high on this list: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g35805-c31-Chicago_Illinois.html
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Unlikely. Pizza s’press is not that good. It is nowhere high on this list: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g35805-c31-Chicago_Illinois.html
Here is a little secret about likes and dislikes when it comes to food, everyone is different when it comes to that, and why should pixies be any different? You could take someone to the finest pizza place in all of Chicago, but they might prefer the cheapest pizza chain version. Take mac and cheese, you might make the creamiest version with several kinds of great cheeses, but the person you are serving it to might like the plastic generic version made with powdered cheese and a tiny bit of butter better. It might simply be a matter of what one is used to, then again some people simply prefer crap! ::)
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Here is a little secret about likes and dislikes when it comes to food, everyone is different when it comes to that, and why should pixies be any different? You could take someone to the finest pizza place in all of Chicago, but they might prefer the cheapest pizza chain version. Take mac and cheese, you might make the creamiest version with several kinds of great cheeses, but the person you are serving it to might like the plastic generic version made with powdered cheese and a tiny bit of butter better. It might simply be a matter of what one is used to, then again some people simply prefer crap! ::)
But the pixies did not get a chance to compare the diverse supply of Chicago pizza.
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But the pixies did not get a chance to compare the diverse supply of Chicago pizza.
As far as we know, they haven't, but that doesn't mean that they haven't. Toot seemed to know
the difference between frozen pizza gotten out of the frozen food section of a supermarket and
freshly made pizza. He found an offer of frozen premade pizza unacceptable,so at some point,Harry or someone else offered it to him for payment. So do not underestimate the pixies for being gourmets when it comes to pizza.
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Mab gives Harry a gift for Maggie, with provisos that she be informed who it is from.
Maggie is the daughter of the Winter Knight.
Zoo Day shows us that she is communicating with (being influenced by) Molly, the Winter Lady.
Mab's gift allows Maggie to control the power of Winter.
Maggie will be close to 18 when the BAT kicks off.
Mab is angling for Maggie to be a suitable vessel for fae power should a vacancy occur in the fae queens.