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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Mira on July 18, 2020, 02:40:28 PM
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Interesting things Corb said to Mab,
"Old woman," Corb taunted."I remember you as a bawling brat. I remember your pimply face when you rode with the Conqueror. I remember how you wept when Merlin cast you out."
So, did young Mab ride with William the Conqueror? Is that the Conqueror he was referring to? Were they lovers? Was there a White Council even then? Was it the White Council that Merlin cast her out of? Was Mab very much like Molly back then? A young somewhat powerful young wizard that stepped out of line? Actually not too much unlike Harry as well. Was the Conqueror the father of her daughters? Did her faults as a young wizard lead to her ending up with the Winter Lady's mantle very much like Molly?
I am also thinking of a very poignant scene in many ways, when Harry summons Molly with a simple summoning circle and because she is no longer fully human she cannot just walk out of it until Harry breaks the circle. Harry mentions at the time a certain tone in some of her words that gave him chills, I am thinking a hint of Mab.. So to me the scene was very poignant because this is how Mab very well could have been in the beginning until a thousand years or more of being Lady and Queen turned her into the Fae Queen we see today.
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At some point Titania and Mab will replace the fairy Grandmothers. Then Molly and Sarissa would become the queens.
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At some point Titania and Mab will replace the fairy Grandmothers. Then Molly and Sarissa would become the queens.
That is a given, what I find interesting is how Mab was shaped, she wasn't always the cold Winter Queen we see today.
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That is a given, what I find interesting is how Mab was shaped, she wasn't always the cold Winter Queen we see today.
People do change :)
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Mab fits the bill for being, Nimue the Lady of the Lake, Merlin’s love interest, and the one who inprisoned him in a rock for all time (the English Prisoner?). Her Samite cladded arm gave Excalibur to Arthur.
No wonder she was able to recover Harry from Lake Michigan.
I think at this time she was the Winter Lady, rather than Queen.
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Speaking of the Summer/Winter courts... anybody want to take bets on Murphy becoming the Summer Knight? That would be kind of epic... and in line with past Dresden/Murphy relationship hurdles.
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Speaking of the Summer/Winter courts... anybody want to take bets on Murphy becoming the Summer Knight? That would be kind of epic... and in line with past Dresden/Murphy relationship hurdles.
I don't think so.
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Maeve and Sarissa's father probably wasn't the Conqueror, whoever they are.
Can we get a break down of the biological relationships between the various Fae Queens we have seen on screen?
Of particular interest – Maeve and Sarissa, were they actually Mab’s kids (biological sense)? If so, who was Mab’s baby daddy?
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
If we're gonna go for someone famous for their father, my money is on Mozart.
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Maeve and Sarissa's father probably wasn't the Conqueror, whoever they are.
If we're gonna go for someone famous for their father, my money is on Mozart.
I think that one has been around for a long time, maybe it was Bach?
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I think that one has been around for a long time, maybe it was Bach?
Bach was German. Mozart was Austrian and died in his forties.
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Bach was German. Mozart was Austrian and died in his forties.
I think Mozart was 35 when he died...
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I'm 99% certain we determined it was Schubert.
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As in the guy who died at 31 after composing Winterreise.
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I think Mozart was 35 when he died...
Ah, algebra has made me a fool once again. My mistake, thanks.
I'm 99% certain we determined it was Schubert.
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As in the guy who died at 31 after composing Winterreise.
Also a strong possibility, but that would put Maeve a few decades younger.
Wasn't there something like a century of backlog that Molly was having to get through? It would put Maeve as having slacked off for half her life.
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Also a strong possibility, but that would put Maeve a few decades younger.
Wasn't there something like a century of backlog that Molly was having to get through? It would put Maeve as having slacked off for half her life.
Schubert has been name-dropped in the series (Dead Beat), wrote Erlkonig, and went kind of crazy in his last years (as attributed in modern times to syphilis but believed to be typhoid fever at the time) as he wrote Winterreise, a haunting cycle about lost love, snow, ice, frozen tears, the cold of winter, and death.
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Schubert has been name-dropped in the series (Dead Beat), wrote Erlkonig, and went kind of crazy in his last years (as attributed in modern times to syphilis but believed to be typhoid fever at the time) as he wrote Winterreise, a haunting cycle about lost love, snow, ice, frozen tears, the cold of winter, and death.
Sadly he was only 31 when he died... You think he caught his illness from Mab?
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Sadly he was only 31 when he died... You think he caught his illness from Mab?
Or just assasinated by one of her enemies.
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Or just assasinated by one of her enemies.
Yeah, I heard they slipped a little mercury in his whipped cream.. :o
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Sadly he was only 31 when he died... You think he caught his illness from Mab?
I think in-universe he might have fallen in love with Mab, and spent some time with her, possibly in the Never-never. Who knows, maybe he ate food from the Never-never and it didn't do his body any favors back in the real world.
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As I recall, there's a WoJ about what happened to Maeve's father that mentioned being caught in a love triangle with Mab and Titania and it not ending well.
If he was Aurora's father too, well, ouch
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As I recall, there's a WoJ about what happened to Maeve's father that mentioned being caught in a love triangle with Mab and Titania and it not ending well.
If he was Aurora's father too, well, ouch
You're thinking of Oberon, not Maeve's father.
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As I recall, there's a WoJ about what happened to Maeve's father that mentioned being caught in a love triangle with Mab and Titania and it not ending well.
You're thinking of Oberon, not Maeve's father.
Yep, that was Oberon.
Sarissa & Maeve's father, as noted, was a mortal (remember Sarissa hadn't Chosen); specifically the unidentified (Schubert? Mozart?) Austrian composer who "died young."
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Back on topic.
If Mab was/is Nimue does that make Titania Morgana?
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Back on topic.
If Mab was/is Nimue does that make Titania Morgana?
I think it more likely that Mab is Morgana..
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So, my guess to Mab's human identity is none other than William the Conqueror's wife - Matilda.
Matilda was the first Anglo-Norman Queen of England, and was often referred to as Matilda, Mathilde, Mathilda, Maude, Maud. This is the same route as Maeve, Medb, etc.
She may also be Morgana by another name. But that doesn't explain how she got her Athame back, or why she didn't seem to recognise it as hers.
Titania is Nimue, the Lady of the Lake. Her historical name I cannot yet predict barring further insights.
I base this partially on historical accounts of those who rode with the Conqueror, and partially on the Merlin (1998) TV series in which Mab is the sister to the Lady of the Lake.
In the series, Uther (Arthur's father) is invading from Normandy and so I suspect somehow Jim will link Uther or Arthur with William the Conqueror.
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This is not dispositive, but it should be noted that in The Once and Future King version of the Arthurian mythos, Mab's title of "Queen of Air and Darkness" belongs to Morgause, Arthur's half-sister and mother of Mordred.
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I wonder if that's why Morgana's Athame/The Black Athame was so important. Something that significant could potentially be useful against it's original owner.
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I wonder if that's why Morgana's Athame/The Black Athame was so important. Something that significant could potentially be useful against it's original owner.
I was thinking the same thing.