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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Darkest-Before-Dawn on June 05, 2018, 05:18:55 PM
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Hi all, just finished reading Bigfoot on Campus in Brief Cases (only that far in, please no spoilers for any of the other stories!). The anthology it was originally published in was a nightmare to get hold of in the UK so I never read it until now. I'm sure this will have been discussed but can't find anything using the search function.
SPOILERS FOR BIGFOOT ON CAMPUS AHEAD
Why wasn't Connie's Hunger killed the first time she and Irwin were *ahem* intimate? It's been a while since I read Blood Rites but wasn't it outright stated that if a Wamp-to-be had sex with the person they were truly in love with, it would kill their Hunger before it ever fed? Harry certainly believed that the two of them were in love. Is it just an error, or am I missing something?
Thanks!
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Hi all, just finished reading Bigfoot on Campus in Brief Cases (only that far in, please no spoilers for any of the other stories!). The anthology it was originally published in was a nightmare to get hold of in the UK so I never read it until now. I'm sure this will have been discussed but can't find anything using the search function.
SPOILERS FOR BIGFOOT ON CAMPUS AHEAD
Why wasn't Connie's Hunger killed the first time she and Irwin were *ahem* intimate? It's been a while since I read Blood Rites but wasn't it outright stated that if a Wamp-to-be had sex with the person they were truly in love with, it would kill their Hunger before it ever fed? Harry certainly believed that the two of them were in love. Is it just an error, or am I missing something?
Thanks!
They might not have been in love. Also it may need to be a vanilla mortal required to kill the demon.
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There was a WOJ that the first time they were just hyper-horney teenagers drunk at a party. Love came later, but her Hunger had already had it's first feed by then. Cant seem to find it atm, I thought it was in the index.
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I think Quantus nailed the answer.
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There was a WOJ that the first time they were just hyper-horney teenagers drunk at a party. Love came later, but her Hunger had already had it's first feed by then. Cant seem to find it atm, I thought it was in the index.
Ah I see, thanks for that! I remembered it being discussed at the time it originally came out but likewise couldn't find anything when I did some digging.
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There was a WOJ that the first time they were just hyper-horney teenagers drunk at a party. Love came later, but her Hunger had already had it's first feed by then. Cant seem to find it atm, I thought it was in the index.
It must have been only a nibble because if I remember right for the Hunger demon to be fully engaged the feeding has to be until death.... I believe that's how Papa Raith entrapped Thomas, it's been so long since I read the book, but didn't he get Thomas drunk and out of control then into bed with some poor young woman? Who Thomas promptly had sex with and fed on until her death? From then on the Hunger was fully engaged... If true love happens before the first kill the Hunger is burnt out.
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It must have been only a nibble because if I remember right for the Hunger demon to be fully engaged the feeding has to be until death.... I believe that's how Papa Raith entrapped Thomas, it's been so long since I read the book, but didn't he get Thomas drunk and out of control then into bed with some poor young woman? Who Thomas promptly had sex with and fed on until her death? From then on the Hunger was fully engaged... If true love happens before the first kill the Hunger is burnt out.
Nah, you have it right. The catch here was Pounder: as a half Forrest-Person (that seems an awkward term), he has a ridiculously huge amount of Chi. It was the reason he was being targeted in at least two of the stories. In Bigfoot on Campus it let him survive their first meeting (which iirc her father had arranged and maybe even "pushed" with the expectation that he'd die. Basically he was too big of a meal for Hunger to actually finish off, which is the only reason he was able to survive. Arguably makes them a good fit too, since he's not in much danger from her even if she looses control.
And if it comes to it, his dad is, like, the biggest turn-off... ;D 8) ::)
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And if it comes to it, his dad is, like, the biggest turn-off... ;D 8) ::)
Heh.
It has nothing to do with how huge a bite her Hunger takes, the act of death itself is needed to make her a full vampire. Much like the late Red Court, I'd guess. She'll remain a minor league succubus till she kills somebody while feeding, as her hunger has already been roused. She'll never be fully human.
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Heh.
It has nothing to do with how huge a bite her Hunger takes, the act of death itself is needed to make her a full vampire. Much like the late Red Court, I'd guess. She'll remain a minor league succubus till she kills somebody while feeding, as her hunger has already been roused. She'll never be fully human.
I didnt think that was theory, pretty sure it was the actual explanation given in Bigfoot on Campus. I dont have my copy with me though, Ill check when I can.
EDIT: Oh, right, I can buy Brief Cases now! Yup, there's a whole big conversation in there about how the actual Death is not a metaphysical requirement, rather it is a "character building" initiation that is a tradition of the Wraith family.
It makes sense if you think about it: the whites are not like the Reds that are actually Loosing their Souls which requires them to fully Choose it (in a Free Will sense).
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The question I had after reading it was, why hasn't the love they have for each other now caused problems? It certainly did for Thomas and Justine, and how it protected Harry from Lara. To say they don't have real love yet doesn't sound right. Pounder nearly pounded Connie's Dad to death because he was hurting her. Certainly a more obvious sign of love than what Inari and Bobby had going for them.
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The question I had after reading it was, why hasn't the love they have for each other now caused problems? It certainly did for Thomas and Justine, and how it protected Harry from Lara. To say they don't have real love yet doesn't sound right. Pounder nearly pounded Connie's Dad to death because he was hurting her. Certainly a more obvious sign of love than what Inari and Bobby had going for them.
That's a good point. I wonder if him not being fully human means he does not get loves full protection.
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The question I had after reading it was, why hasn't the love they have for each other now caused problems? It certainly did for Thomas and Justine, and how it protected Harry from Lara. To say they don't have real love yet doesn't sound right. Pounder nearly pounded Connie's Dad to death because he was hurting her. Certainly a more obvious sign of love than what Inari and Bobby had going for them.
Wasn't willingness to self-sacrifice for the other part of it? I haven't read BR in a while, but I think Bobby blocked Inari from getting shot.
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The question I had after reading it was, why hasn't the love they have for each other now caused problems? It certainly did for Thomas and Justine, and how it protected Harry from Lara. To say they don't have real love yet doesn't sound right. Pounder nearly pounded Connie's Dad to death because he was hurting her. Certainly a more obvious sign of love than what Inari and Bobby had going for them.
Snark-Knight has it: it was the element of mutual Self-Sacrifice with Thomas and Justine (her willing to die for him, him willing to deny himself and die for her). They'd been together fairly often in all the many years living up to that night, with no issues, and Id wager that their Love had been growing for most of that.
Bloody hell, another WOJ I cant actually find now that I need it....
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The question I had after reading it was, why hasn't the love they have for each other now caused problems? It certainly did for Thomas and Justine, and how it protected Harry from Lara. To say they don't have real love yet doesn't sound right. Pounder nearly pounded Connie's Dad to death because he was hurting her. Certainly a more obvious sign of love than what Inari and Bobby had going for them.
Could be that because she never killed (and thus her Hunger has never learned to kill) that love has no need to protect Irwin from her. The Hunger took all it could, and its prey was back up the next day ready for more. That's gotta change your perspective. We've never seen anything like this before or since, so it may well be a unique case.