Ooh, Ooh! I wanna play, I wanna play!
The Council of Arcturus, a small nation about the size of a medium sized clan, living on their own sovereign territory, New Camelot (I'm thinking either a large-ish plot of land in the middle of either Canada or the Outback [miles and miles of miles and miles] or an unassuming island in an archipelago, like the Solomon Islands or the Seychelles). Traditionally ruled by an oversight committee ("The knights") and head by a chairperson, The Lady of the Lake,("Lady") a title that was liberalized in the 80's to accommodate the first male recipient ("Lord") to collect enough political power to rule the council.
Politically, they are rabidly pro-human, and messianic to the nth degree, believing that one day the star will rise again and save the world from evil. Until such time, theirs is to shine, the brightest light in the dark until this time. Thus, seeing themselves as the true guardian's and protectors of mankind against all its predators, they get on imperfectly with the other pro-human factions, who they view as, at best, helpful amateurs including the White Council with whom they have an EPIC historic mistrust because of ancient blame for the absence of the star being shifted to Merlin (OG flavor).
Currently, strange rumors have begun to circulate in the clued in world of knights, seeming to be acting in ways contrary to humanities' interests, again allegedly because, "If humanity is to be saved, it must first be in some form of danger."
Something like the network of assassins, and their properties and such, in John Wick. Only not just assassins. Hotels that dispose of victims for their clientele; restaurants that meet certain supernatural nutritional requirements; an entire society of creatures not affiliated with the Courts or the Fomor or any other big faction.
Might I recommend Brasil? (No, that's not a typo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil_(mythical_island)
It's more Irish than British/Arthurian (for that, you'd want Avalon, the isle of apples), but a mist-shrouded island that only appears for one day every seven years seems good for a secret society. As long as they have ways of getting off and on the island (Ways?) the rest of the time.
I'd be very much down with this. One of the cable networks (HBO, Starz, or Showtime, can't remember) is producing a TV series called The Continental based on the John Wick universe. I've frequently commented that, for a movie series with a plot that essentially boils down to "Keanu Reeves shoots people in unlikely and interesting ways," the lore is ludicrously deep, and I'm pumped to see it continue beyond the movies.Nah, the Svartalves are their own "Faction". Their own "Court". I'm talking about the existence of unfactioned creatures. Creatures that aren't unique, but of small enough number that they're not a "Power" in their own right. They're not subservient to the Sidhe, or the Fomor, or anyone else. They'd be the equivalent of the "Wild Fae", only they're really not beholden to anyone. The Wild Fae still have to choose sides at times. I'm proposing a society that says "No" to the wars between the Sidhe and the Fomor and the Vamps and everything else.
Svartalves or one of the other neutral parties might be a good fit for this.
Excellent!I could see where there'd be a "Lady Robert" and Harry would ask how that's supposed to work, and Molly would whisper something about not assuming genders, and Harry would say something embarrassing (as us Gen-Xers do about such things), and then things would fall apart. ;D
The original Avalon was described as being a boat ride away, "Across a vast sea". So Brasil would work, though I'd have them on a smaller island adjacent to where Brasil appears.
Really, the whole thing would simply be an excuse for Harry to refer to the current (Male) "Lady" as, a "Watery Tart" and/or a "moistened bint" (to the laughter of no one save, possibly, Martinez who falls out of his chair with suppressed laughter) just before we saw the violence inherent in the system.
I could see where there'd be a "Lady Robert" and Harry would ask how that's supposed to work, and Molly would whisper something about not assuming genders, and Harry would say something embarrassing (as us Gen-Xers do about such things), and then things would fall apart. ;D
As long as Bob was there so he could recount the story later.
Bob: "And then Harry punched the Lady in the face."
Murphy: "Dresden!"
Harry: "It wasn't like that! It wasn't a woman!"
Murphy: "The Lady wasn't a woman?"
Harry: "Not a real woman."
<offended stares all around>
Harry: "No, I don't mean-- he could be a woman if he-- I mean--"
Toe-moss: "Harr-eee. How could you?!"
Harry: "Don't you start!"
Murphy: "So much for that chivalrous streak."
Harry: "He looked like a man!"
Molly: "Alright, Ms. Swan, let it go."
Harry: "..."
Molly: "I will say this about the Lady, though. He could take a punch."
Nah, the Svartalves are their own "Faction". Their own "Court". I'm talking about the existence of unfactioned creatures. Creatures that aren't unique, but of small enough number that they're not a "Power" in their own right. They're not subservient to the Sidhe, or the Fomor, or anyone else. They'd be the equivalent of the "Wild Fae", only they're really not beholden to anyone. The Wild Fae still have to choose sides at times. I'm proposing a society that says "No" to the wars between the Sidhe and the Fomor and the Vamps and everything else.
Now, the Svartalves and other Courts could obviously be part of, and involved with, the supernatural community. But it wouldn't be dependent on any one group.
Right, but I'm not really talking about a nation. I'm talking about a society of creatures made up of members that aren't really worth trying to control.
Well, the freeholding lords are individuals without factions, and the Jade Court are pretty much fanatically neutral when it comes to other nations' conflicts. But it might be a matter of needing a certain measure of power (either individually or collectively) before you're more trouble than you're worth for anyone bigger to draft into their hegemony like the wyldfae are subject to.
To use a real-world example, Switzerland's neutrality wasn't respected throughout the 20'th century just because everyone else trusted them to mind their own business. Plenty of other small countries were non-threatening and still wound up annexed because they were in the way for rival great powers trying to get at each other. Switzerland's neutrality was respected because they fortified all the ways into their territory into world-class m*****f***ing deathtraps and then minded their own business behind their borders from a position of strength.
I think the series is long overdue for some participation by a supernatural nation associated with Native Americans. I get why it is unlikely. If these supernatural critters need some strong measure of belief to "maintain the connection" like the Summer and Winter courts need, then the fact that very few Native Americans survived into the 20th century probably banished most native supernaturals to the deeper areas of the never never.There are some WOJs that make me think the lines of Importance arent always that literal. For example, there's one that you says you couldnt truly Oblivionate(?) the Creator, because somebody would always ask themselves Where did this all Come From, and that would be enough of a link to the appropriate entity. Similarly I think the Fae Courts are somewhat insulated by being so directly intertwined with the Seasons and the Natural Order, such that even if the human population stops believing in the literal existence of Fairies, they still believe in the Seasons and so the Fae will always have at least a small Link to Reality. Which I do not think is a coincidence, I believe such a solid foundation is required to adequately Guard the Gates.
The one exception is the red court, which really is a native American based supernatural nation as it was originally associated with the Azteks and like nations in central America. I suspect that it was the massive loss of life and Christianization of natives that allowed the Red Court to spread and grow into such a great supernatural power as the competing powers were swept away or banished.
So in the case of Native American entities, they'd all be more naturalistic in general, and I theorize that being so in tune with the natural world would help them survive beyond the loss of literal worship. I mean, people may not believe in a literally walking talking Trickster God, but they do still believe in Clever Coyotes. Maybe that is enough?If it's that abstract, it may be enough but wouldn't necessarily be a specific Native American personification; Kringle/Odin/Santa are all powered by some of the same belief, and so there'd hardly be space for Native-Santa to be his own thing; he'd just be another mask of the same being.
If it's that abstract, it may be enough but wouldn't necessarily be a specific Native American personification; Kringle/Odin/Santa are all powered by some of the same belief, and so there'd hardly be space for Native-Santa to be his own thing; he'd just be another mask of the same being.I disagree, on the basis that Odin and Santa ARE different beings, they just happen to be sharing the same host body/intellect at the moment. Santa and Odin ARE the masks, and it is only circumstance (and presumably skill and planning) that has kept them together this long. I would assume they'd have different Inheritance patterns, and would go to different hosts should the current one be killed, for example. Santa would almost certainly go to an elf or some fae/changeling, while Odin would more likely go to one of the remaining Aesir.
Meh. I'm not as convinced that Odin is a mask or mantle.I am, but mostly because Im relatively confident he is not the original All-father.
And i don't think that Santa Claus was a naturally occurring mantle; I think it was constructed specifically for Odin to keep him involved after the handover of the Guardianship.Im not entirely convinced any of them would qualify as "naturally occuring" with the possible exceptions of things like The Eldest, or maaaaybe the Erlking.
As for the "native santa", maybe the Kringle mantle was built to incorporate "Handsome Fellow" into itself, but I don't think there's any faith to be had from that. Not much faith in Kringle, for that matter.You have apparently missed the Elf-on-the-shelf phenomenon :P Faith does not need to be filtered through a church or holy book to be real. And Frankly, Kids do Belief better than we adults do.
And I do think that there are different entities for different pantheons. I don't think that the Hopi's Eototo Kachina is the same as Odin. Both are the father figures in their pantheons, but they're not the same. Angwusnasomtaka has some parallels to the Mothers, or Gaia if they're not her, but I don't think they're necessarily the same entities.Qualified agreement. I dont have any reason to believe that *all* similar deities are the same entity by any means, but Im not ruling it out (on a case-by-case basis) either, given what we've been told about how Immortals fight over mantles. And in the case of the greco/roman split I think we can be confident that those were an evolution of the same entities, and evolution that continued well beyond the limits of the popular myths, given the whole Fae/Hecate link.
I am, but mostly because Im relatively confident he is not the original All-father.
Im not entirely convinced any of them would qualify as "naturally occuring" with the possible exceptions of things like The Eldest, or maaaaybe the Erlking.
You have apparently missed the Elf-on-the-shelf phenomenon :P Faith does not need to be filtered through a church or holy book to be real. And Frankly, Kids do Belief better than we adults do.
Qualified agreement. I dont have any reason to believe that *all* similar deities are the same entity by any means, but Im not ruling it out (on a case-by-case basis) either, given what we've been told about how Immortals fight over mantles. And in the case of the greco/roman split I think we can be confident that those were an evolution of the same entities, and evolution that continued well beyond the limits of the popular myths, given the whole Fae/Hecate link.
To you mean the translation of his name meaning 'younger father'.Yup, I really dig ont he idea that he's not the original. Also it helps that in every appearance Harry is very careful to not actually, definitively state that vadderung IS Odin, he hedges with something "or he does a damn good impression" or something like that.
Well any true die hard Star Wars fan will know that Vader means father,
In Norse mythology, Thor is a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength, the protection of mankind, and also hallowing, healing and fertility. The cognate deity in wider Germanic mythology and paganism was known in Old English as Þunor and in Old High German as Donar, stemming from a Common Germanic *Þunraz.Vadderung isn't a precise word but it comes back in Germanic as 'shifting, transferring" as well as Hereditary or inheritance. So Thor's likely... or Thor's son. I still see a mesh up of Greek into Norse mythos. An inheritance happened there somewhere the same as Hecate=Fae hierarchy.
Odin is often associated with lightning in the franchise, but in mythology he is never mentioned as a god of lightning or the sky, unlike his son Thor.
Except you'd be hard pressed to find Odin associated with the weather in any mythology.Where is this quote coming from?
Harry does refer to Vadderung as "Thunder's Father". Could Vadderung actually BE Thor? After Ragnarok, the ending of their world, they reestablished here as mortals?Thor and Donar translate as "thunder". So the father of "thunder" would be Odin.
Yes he has many names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_Odin But no weather associations directly. And he's the 'Stormer' in the edda's when arguing with Loki, and of course his other names support this boisterous nature such as Hjarrandi= Screamer Or Göllnir =Yeller Óðins nöfn (3)I don't think it was just for raging at people, because it appears to mostly be used in description of battle cries.
Gollorr=Yeller Óðins nöfn (1)
Göllungr=Yeller Óðins nöfn (5)
Seems his motif is raging at people, not calling down the lightning.
I'm too tired of my internet Fu&*()g up to rewrite this crap a third time. But suffice it to say if the Edda's say they both died then nothing in them can be applied to figuring out our current Odins ID. also The Norse also prayed and sacrificed to the god Njord for safe seafaring and to Odin for general weatherI'd say it implies more of a sun god position. and I'd rather trust the sourced material still than an article written this last year by a student.You're assuming that Ragnarok already occurred, but WoJ is that Loki is still locked up. Ergo, he's still alive, rather than being dead like he's supposed to be after Ragnarok. Everything points to Ragnarok not having occurred yet.
You're assuming that Ragnarok already occurred, but WoJ is that Loki is still locked up. Ergo, he's still alive, rather than being dead like he's supposed to be after Ragnarok. Everything points to Ragnarok not having occurred yet.Many Ragnaroks have happened, or at least one I can evidence, Going back to Bob's original explanation of the queens whom used to be. They don't exist on our plain, can't anymore. Because they are primal spirits of what was, they are literally the Ghosts of a previous epoch. (You might point to the same thing for Hades and why in this age he can no longer effect fate. He admitted he could before by default then, noting a considerable difference then in how he can interact with our world now by comparison.) They birthed the new Age, also why they are now 'Mothers' despite new evidence pointing to the Queen as the one whose giving birth, they already gave birth.
Again, what sources material? I haven't found many translated texts.
But, jthe guy's name isn't Donar Vadder. It's Donar VadderUNG. Could the full name translate into "Thor Odinson"? Or Son of the Father (All-Father).Like I said, "ung" means "ing". The full translation would be "Thor Fathering". He that fathered Thor.
Another theory, the Asgardians became mortals in order to forestall Ragnarok. Hiding the ones who were supposed to die to begin it.
Many Ragnaroks have happened, or at least one I can evidence, Going back to Bob's original explanation of the queens whom used to be. They don't exist on our plain, can't anymore. Because they are primal spirits of what was, they are literally the Ghosts of a previous epoch. (You might point to the same thing for Hades and why in this age he can no longer effect fate. He admitted he could before by default then, noting a considerable difference then in how he can interact with our world now by comparison.) They birthed the new Age, also why they are now 'Mothers' despite new evidence pointing to the Queen as the one whose giving birth, they already gave birth.That's all an interpretation, and one that makes sense. But it's not fact. For the Norse pantheon, there's only one apocalypse (Ragnarok) that calls for the deaths of Odin and Loki and Thor, at least two of which are still alive regardless of the theory.
Ragnarok is the end of an age and the beginning of a new one, the lifting of the veil, ect. Odin's Ragnarok happened when Valhalla fell from position on the Gates. The Jotuns retreat and reformation as Mab's court is also another point towards his story already having played out once before.... Besides, Harry killed Fenris in book 2 so no Ragnarok for you!? Unless he just freed him from the curse that contained his manifestation, Harry you dolt.
*you can find a lot of them online for free, the original Edda's even. I don't always keep track of the pages though.
**it's a poor explanation but the one were I add in the gyre and why time is repeating itself is much more complicated. The real evidence would become that it is in our mythology already.
That's all an interpretation, and one that makes sense. But it's not fact. For the Norse pantheon, there's only one apocalypse (Ragnarok) that calls for the deaths of Odin and Loki and Thor, at least two of which are still alive regardless of the theory.Agreed. If we were post-Ragnarok, and by that I mean /This/ Ragnarok, the one that Odin prophesied, then Loki, Odin and thor would all be dead, and only Líf and Lífþrasir would remain (of the Aesir at least, though the myth is they are the only surviving Humans, the next cycle's Adam and Eve)
Now, if you wanted to argue that the series is in the middle of Ragnarok, and Aldar Rok has passed but Tiva Rok hasn't, it might make things more plausible. I don't know the specifics of the series of events, but maybe it's possible.
That's all an interpretation, and one that makes sense. But it's not fact. For the Norse pantheon, there's only one apocalypse (Ragnarok) that calls for the deaths of Odin and Loki and Thor, at least two of which are still alive regardless of the theory.*thinking man pose* Do we have any other thing for history and mythology..?
Now, if you wanted to argue that the series is in the middle of Ragnarok, and Aldar Rok has passed but Tiva Rok hasn't, it might make things more plausible. I don't know the specifics of the series of events, but maybe it's possible.
Many Ragnaroks have happened, or at least one I can evidence, Going back to Bob's original explanation of the queens whom used to be. They don't exist on our plain, can't anymore. Because they are primal spirits of what was, they are literally the Ghosts of a previous epoch.
You're assuming that Ragnarok already occurred, but WoJ is that Loki is still locked up. Ergo, he's still alive, rather than being dead like he's supposed to be after Ragnarok. Everything points to Ragnarok not having occurred yet.
Again, what sources material? I haven't found many translated texts.
Ragnarok isn't Odin supposed to die as well? Last I checked he was running around kicking ass and taking names.Everyone dies according to the myths, with the exception of a pair of characters (literally named Life and Lover of Life) whose only significance is that they will survive by hiding is a specific forrest (called Hoddmímis Holt). Loki, Heimdall, Odin, Thor, Frey & Freya, Surtur... That's the whole point: unlike The Apocalypse which (literally by translation) is about some big Revelation, Ragnarok is "The Twilight of the Gods" as in the process and event by which they all End.
I don't see the link. For starters, different pantheons. Also, I'm not convinced the Mothers are utterly incapable of visiting Earth. They certainly don't do it regularly, but that could be chalked up to them not wanting to warp reality, or Mother Winter not wanting to travel without her "walking stick" and Mother Summer refraining from doing so for the sake of balance.*snickers to self* different pantheons? My dear Sir we have in the Fae make up no less than 3 distinct pantheon's all colliding into one, lets not forget Hecate is Greek, and the two have a direct connection to the Queens based upon Hades own defense systems. Odin is Norse but is mysteriously subplanted into a largely irish mythology which Bob's fairy wars directly links to the Vanir and aesir. Separate Pantheons indeed... and besides the noticeable lack of the main greek/roman deities who later were reformed(a reforming of identity would certainly be a Godly death/twilight btw) We have Hades talk with Harry to point to a little ahh Nemfection apparent in their continued actions and we Have Thomas's soulgaze(to which I've already well connected the heirs of the sons of Ares and Aphrodite) to show the Greek pantheon is perhaps in absentee now. It suffered the same Decay as showcased in Denton's actual mind. But Thomas's soulgaze was not purely a representation of his own mind, but of his identity as a whole.
Ragnarok isn't Odin supposed to die as well? Last I checked he was running around kicking ass and taking names.That's my point. Odin and Loki are still alive. Ergo, Ragnarok has not yet occurred.
*snickers to self* different pantheons? My dear Sir we have in the Fae make up no less than 3 distinct pantheon's all colliding into one, lets not forget Hecate is Greek, and the two have a direct connection to the Queens based upon Hades own defense systems. Odin is Norse but is mysteriously subplanted into a largely irish mythology which Bob's fairy wars directly links to the Vanir and aesir. Separate Pantheons indeed... and besides the noticeable lack of the main greek/roman deities who later were reformed(a reforming of identity would certainly be a Godly death/twilight btw) We have Hades talk with Harry to point to a little ahh Nemfection apparent in their continued actions and we Have Thomas's soulgaze(to which I've already well connected the heirs of the sons of Ares and Aphrodite) to show the Greek pantheon is perhaps in absentee now. It suffered the same Decay as showcased in Denton's actual mind. But Thomas's soulgaze was not purely a representation of his own mind, but of his identity as a whole.wut.
*why do they actually warp reality though? what about them disagree's with it? Look at another example, Shagnasty, whom is an angelic ghost who violates said rules by staying on earth, he warps reality only slightly because he's not quite strong enough for more, but his fundamental existence here is described through DR as wrong in the extreme, and that's before we find out we keep such creatures amongst the rejects of reality. Shagnasty is directly described as a ghost in order for the dine, an excorsim to effect him, he's also, by the very story of the skinwalkers, is describes as from a different age where he was supposed to have 'moved on' and refused. Bringing it back to the spirits who effect reality and fate whom are not supposed to. MW has no Rent, no GreenCard and has been placed on the blacklist of do not travel, for a very good reason. A cosmic level reason.
*which is NOT to say she won't one day walk the land, and for good reason. An oh my stars and garters, the day she stands up unaided by stick or escort to walk the land is a day I actually look forward to seeing in all it's terrible glory... and sadness as we watch the one who follows. ;-(
That's my point. Odin and Loki are still alive. Ergo, Ragnarok has not yet occurred.Sure there is, there's plenty of reason... but how deep down the rabbit hole can you really go though? There's no reason to appose the idea either, so unless I can get to the root of why you do we'll just dance all night lol.
wut.
I think it's a case of JB's classical use of the word Catholic. As in universal, all-encompassing. All the pantheons are part of the whole. Some might overlap, while others stand apart. But they're all connected at the root.
None of that means that Ragnarok has already occurred, though. There's no reason to believe that Odin died and came back. There's no reason to believe Vadderung is Thor. Are either possible? Sure. But I don't think there's been evidence for either. Just because the Sidhe change hosts doesn't mean everyone does, or can, or will.
Like I said, "ung" means "ing". The full translation would be "Thor Fathering". He that fathered Thor.
Unless, of course, you want to interpret it differently, and say Thor obtained his father's mantle, and he's now "Fathering" it up. ::)
I looked it up. Ung means young in Norwegian, not ing. So it might translate as "Thor, Young-Father." Young Father as opposed to All-father.
I looked it up. Ung means young in Norwegian, not ing. So it might translate as "Thor, Young-Father." Young Father as opposed to All-father.Donar and Vadder aren't Norwegian, they're German. The German meaning for -ung is "ing".
Jim has called Vadderung "The all father". So I'm not thinking he's Thor, unless he has his own son's Mantle.Don't forget Charity used a hammer on the Arctic Tor door.
I like 2 theories about Thor.
1. Mr. Hendricks is Thor (also explains his relationship with Gard)
2. (My theory from a long time ago I think?) Michael or his wife are of relation to Thor. Main reason is because Michael was using a Thor hammer as a bottle opener... Don't know if it has any meaning or not, or some foreshadowing that Thor will be making an appearance later.
Don't forget Charity used a hammer on the Arctic Tor door.I guess but her Hammer-awesome is forge related. Thor would be crossing tropes :P
I guess but her Hammer-awesome is forge related. Thor would be crossing tropes :PYeah, we'd never see Thor working in a forge to, like, I don't know, make a weapon or something. :-X
Yeah, we'd never see Thor working in a forge to, like, I don't know, make a weapon or something. :-X
There is the possibility that Thor no longer has his Mantle... Perhaps the foreshadowing being shown here is that Charity will have it one day, and kicking ass along side her Sword wielding husband. I guess Michael could get it but it seems more like Charity if Jim used foreshadowing.Shan't we forget that Harry wielded a hammer in Proven Guilty as well.
The hammer struck the bolt that held the other ring of Rawlins’s cuffs. Sparks flew. The bolt, as rusted and ruined as the rest of the building, snapped.That might as well translate as, "And lo, the mighty Tharry did wield the great Moldinjar in his fist, striking true with his righteous strength, to shatter the cursed metal binding his companion in twain, the air itself splitting as surely as the chains of captivity, as the sharp crack of thunder rolled through the sky, the reverberating echo of the lightning summoned by the great hero sounding like a clarion call to the halls of Valhalla, signaling the Valkyries to take flight, for the battle was joined, and the fallen would be theirs to claim.
There is the possibility that Thor no longer has his Mantle... Perhaps the foreshadowing being shown here is that Charity will have it one day, and kicking ass along side her Sword wielding husband. I guess Michael could get it but it seems more like Charity if Jim used foreshadowing.Dude, you know who Mike the Mechanic could be don't you? Whom the Mechanic(whom I wanna say was Mike) was in Adventures of Babysitting...? I've long thought that his fate, especially since we have the... idk their names, the things Etri was, as the dwarvish smiths.
Shan't we forget that Harry wielded a hammer in Proven Guilty as well.
But his cup is full if you trust Jim's words.Unless he's already Thor, and it's part of his full cup. :o
Unless he's already Thor, and it's part of his full cup. :oHe's more the Loki to Marcones Thor... although mayhaps he's Baldor instead :o unless that's Thomas?
Unless he's already Thor, and it's part of his full cup. :o
Hasn't shown anything that makes me think of Thor... Perhaps Thor's powers become activated when wielding his Hammer? If so this could mean Malcolm was Odin? Hmmm RAIDEM!He used a hammer, and there were sparks.
He's more the Loki to Marcones Thor... although mayhaps he's Baldor instead :o unless that's Thomas?Given that one interpretation of Baldr's etymology is "the white, the good", Thomas seems apt. :P
He used a hammer, and there were sparks.
Given that one interpretation of Baldr's etymology is "the white, the good", Thomas seems apt. :P
lol... You're just trolling us aren't you?Who, me?
Thus Baldr had to remain in the underworld, not to emerge until after Ragnarök, when he and his brother Höðr would be reconciled and rule the new earth together with Thor's sons.Mmm...
Who, me?
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I lean more towards the main cast having Arthurian parallels rather than being reincarnations or pre-destined mantle-bearers.
But Butters making a joke about a lightsaber was foreshadowing, so I'm not ruling anything out these days.
feels like Harry Dresden is walking a similar path to MerlinPath being the operative word here.(one I think rai can appreciate)But it's folly to limit it to simply Arthurian mythos or Merlin in said mythos. That's part and parcel why the Hades parallel scene was put in, to show a wider and wider scope of connections. GK and his appearance vs his domain being across the surface of the moon and other associations as a likely Horus put's Egyptian mythos firmly on the map too... how many is this now... Arthur, Christian, Egyptian, Greek/roman(I'd categorically have them the same).... and Norse? ^.- Mmm that's five directly connected mythos, until we see a sixth perhaps the five timelines entwined works quite well?
Yeah, we'd never see Thor working in a forge to, like, I don't know, make a weapon or something. :-XExactly. Crafting things, especially magic things, was not something the Aesir were ever good at. They always got their stuff from Dwarves and Svartalves, or stole it from a giant.
or stole it from a giant.Can you blame them? Giants had the best stuff.
Exactly. Crafting things, especially magic things, was not something the Aesir were ever good at. They always got their stuff from Dwarves and Svartalves, or stole it from a giant.
100% Anti Aesir propaganda...Nah. Calling Thor an overly flatulent meathead that couldnt craft his way out of a paper bag would be anti-Aesir propaganda :p
Nah. Calling Thor an overly flatulent meathead that couldnt craft his way out of a paper bag would be anti-Aesir propaganda :p
Nah. Calling Thor an overly flatulent meathead that couldnt craft his way out of a paper bag would be anti-Aesir propaganda :pHeh. Flatulent meathead.
Heh. Flatulent meathead.I may have read the Magnus Chase books recently, which is coloring my idea of Thor's character slightly. Also read Neil Gaiman's Norse Mythology though, and it seems to agree with the "meathead" image
Exactly. Crafting things, especially magic things, was not something the Aesir were ever good at. They always got their stuff from Dwarves and Svartalves, or stole it from a giant.(https://i1.wp.com/78.media.tumblr.com/c4b8c2b4bc8427c6238862f3e67d7af0/tumblr_p06qeotNUs1sc0ffqo1_540.gif?w=605&ssl=1)
(https://i1.wp.com/78.media.tumblr.com/c4b8c2b4bc8427c6238862f3e67d7af0/tumblr_p06qeotNUs1sc0ffqo1_540.gif?w=605&ssl=1)Oh, dont get me wrong, he can yank on a giant lever like nobodies business. But if you recall, there was a Dwarf nearby handling all the hard parts. Also, that's not Thor anymore, technically; Once he lost the Hammer he became "Odinson". Also, he's not much like the mythic Thor aside from being a little slow on the uptake and getting conned by Loki a lot.