I was a fan back during the TV series. I watch this TV Intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgCFRwt050Y and think damn it would be cool for these type of immortals to be in the story. The immortals could fill similar roles to John Marcone + the added hundreds if not thousands of years of knowledge, experience, and cunning. They would have complete free will which would only make them more dangerous in the supernatural world.. Some of them would probably also obtain Mantles...I was a fan of the TV show and the first two movies. The Queen soundtrack for the first one rocked! But, Luccio was less than impressed with their swordmanship.
I'd prefer a supernatural background. Maybe less "there can be only one" and something more along the lines of Anne Rice's Ramses the Damned, or someone else that finds an elixir of eternal life that grows to regret it. Immortals growing more powerful while killing each other and absorbing each other's power is too on-the-nose for a series that already has creatures all but doing that.
completely agree. I was thinking more along the lines that they are basically vanilla, except they cannot die unless they get their heads cut off. There wouldn't be any immortals hunting each other unless they just hated the person or something.That's sort of along the lines of Ramses. I'll put this into spoilers, in case anyone cares, but it's not really a spoiler for that book.
The question is, what would they be doing? If they had magical ability, they'd be known. If not, then they're not that significant in the long run, save for being living Archives.
Maybe have them be associated with a secret society trying to steer the world? Have one or more tied to the National Archives, having presided over a library of some sort ever since Alexandria? Have one being held somewhere against their will, an immortal captive that has been experimented on?
Well if I was writing it they would be a very secretive society. They would work in similar fashion to the White Council. They would be insanely wealthy with their fingers in politics, and virtually every economy around the world.But where would they fit in the Dresdenverse? You'd think that such an organization would be discovered by the long-lived wizards and all-but-immortal monsters and gods.
Remember the Underworld movies where the Lycans were using bullets developed by the military that was basically sunlight in a bullet that was very effective against vampires, and the vampires took the idea and used liquid silver in their bullets? The Immortals would work in a similar fashion. Using mortal technology to eliminate supernatural threats. It would basically be a bunch of Bruce Wayne's... People without super powers using wealth, technology, and cunning to deal with super human type threats. They wouldn't be pure as the wind driven snow. They would simply see the vanilla world as their territory, and supernatural being's as interlopers.
But where would they fit in the Dresdenverse? You'd think that such an organization would be discovered by the long-lived wizards and all-but-immortal monsters and gods.Yeah, that's the thing -- the group as groinkick is describing is already overlapping with a bunch of other groups. We've already got guys like the Venatori and the Special Collections division that fill the niche of "secretive mortals up against supernatural threats," so I don't see why a group of immortals doing that same thing would be particularly interesting.
That's why I was thinking they could be tied to the Library. Powerless magically, but powerful with knowledge. They could know Names, and how to use them, which would keep certain Powerful creatures from interfering.
But to run governments and control markets, they'd be butting up against the lesser groups (Wamps, Ramps, Council) pretty regularly. And they would have had a vested interest in supporting the wizards in the war. If they existed in the Dresdenverse, they'd need a reason to not be involved.
Lack of numbers would be one reason. If it's only one, or a handful, then they'd be limited. Maybe they don't work together. Maybe they strike deals with groups, to stay out of their business in return for being left alone.
I could see where the Council would fear a wizard getting an immortality elixir, because then there'd be nothing to stop them. So the Senior Council strikes a deal with an immortal, to keep their tricks to themselves in return for favors and secret partnerships when necessary.
But where would they fit in the Dresdenverse? You'd think that such an organization would be discovered by the long-lived wizards and all-but-immortal monsters and gods.
That's why I was thinking they could be tied to the Library. Powerless magically, but powerful with knowledge. They could know Names, and how to use them, which would keep certain Powerful creatures from interfering.
But to run governments and control markets, they'd be butting up against the lesser groups (Wamps, Ramps, Council) pretty regularly. And they would have had a vested interest in supporting the wizards in the war. If they existed in the Dresdenverse, they'd need a reason to not be involved.
Lack of numbers would be one reason. If it's only one, or a handful, then they'd be limited. Maybe they don't work together. Maybe they strike deals with groups, to stay out of their business in return for being left alone.
I could see where the Council would fear a wizard getting an immortality elixir, because then there'd be nothing to stop them. So the Senior Council strikes a deal with an immortal, to keep their tricks to themselves in return for favors and secret partnerships when necessary.
I think it would be amazing for Jim to release a kind of Dresden universe bible for the fans to write spin off stories based on the Dresden universe where they have concrete rules, and things that align with that universe.Well, there are the RPG source books...
Yeah, that's the thing -- the group as groinkick is describing is already overlapping with a bunch of other groups. We've already got guys like the Venatori and the Special Collections division that fill the niche of "secretive mortals up against supernatural threats," so I don't see why a group of immortals doing that same thing would be particularly interesting.Well, I think there's room for a few. Just not as a whole organization independent of what we've seen.
All great points. I started the topic for everyone to share their ideas on it... I love any little detail to the dresdenverse that adds a fun little twist. Do I think they exist as stated? Well as you have pointed out they haven't been in the series so far so probably not. However I would be delighted if Jim introduces new dimensions to the series.Brainstorming is fun. But like usual, I just want to over-analyze the potential points to see just how realistic it could be.
I think it would be amazing for Jim to release a kind of Dresden universe bible for the fans to write spin off stories based on the Dresden universe where they have concrete rules, and things that align with that universe.
Yeah, that's the thing -- the group as groinkick is describing is already overlapping with a bunch of other groups. We've already got guys like the Venatori and the Special Collections division that fill the niche of "secretive mortals up against supernatural threats," so I don't see why a group of immortals doing that same thing would be particularly interesting.And we technically have the Denarians doing the regular peeps with semi-immortality acting as Frenemies trying to kill each other... So I think we have most of the bases covered without actual Highlander type immortals(Nic even needs his head cut off so as to remove his noose... or just squeeze it but you get my point)
And we technically have the Denarians doing the regular peeps with semi-immortality acting as Frenemies trying to kill each other... So I think we have most of the bases covered without actual Highlander type immortals(Nic even needs his head cut off so as to remove his noose... or just squeeze it but you get my point)I think it's changed several times. There was the one movie where they were aliens, because they couldn't think of a way to have more if they all died in the first one, even though I think they specified that more keep popping up.
*it's been a LOOONG time, can anyone remind me wtf there can be 'only one' and how bad they retconned on that with the series?
I think it's changed several times. There was the one movie where they were aliens, because they couldn't think of a way to have more if they all died in the first one, even though I think they specified that more keep popping up.The "more keep popping up" thing was introduced by the TV series, it wasn't present in the original movie.
Then there were a few that had special powers. Not all did, so who knows why and how they got them.
Ultimately, the last one supposedly got incredible (undefined) power and knowledge to help (or rule over) humanity, with the bonus of having kids, growing old and dying if they wanted to.
The "more keep popping up" thing was introduced by the TV series, it wasn't present in the original movie.But isn't the idea of more popping up how he popped up to begin with? It's been ages since I saw the first movie, but I thought he turned well after the others. Unless there was some mention of their numbers stopping.
Basically everything after the second movie ignores it, and most of the ending of the first movie and joins the TV series' status quo.
But isn't the idea of more popping up how he popped up to begin with? It's been ages since I saw the first movie, but I thought he turned well after the others. Unless there was some mention of their numbers stopping.There's never really any explanation in the first one, just that by the modern day, they're down to the last handful.
And we just don't count the second movie at all because it's garbage.Seconded.
There's never really any explanation in the first one, just that by the modern day, they're down to the last handful.I vaguely remember the third one, and that it was better than the second because it wasn't the second. It also had the magic casters, which was another oddity.
The third movie has a bunch of immortals that had been magically trapped getting freed, which somehow resumes The Gathering.
Then the series introduces the idea that more are born all the time, but that they only get immortality if they die a violent death.
He is... the most immortal man in the world.
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Seconded.
I vaguely remember the third one, and that it was better than the second because it wasn't the second. It also had the magic casters, which was another oddity.
I recall only liking the first movie and the series. I don't know that I liked the Duncan movies either. I may have fallen asleep during The Source.
But I did hear a rumor that they're rebooting Highlander and potentially bringing Connor back. I guess we'll see, because it apparently sounded like a good idea every other time, too. Saving grace is that it's the director of John Wick that's pushing for it, so it might work.
Assuming you take the first movie as Cannon, then they are born, are killed and come back. Assuming the killing doesn't occur by losing one's head.The director dude all but said they'd only be working from the first movie, and ignoring everything else. Kind of like Jurassic World ignoring the other two and just continuing from the first.
What I assumed, based on the second movie was, that they were all thrown from their own world and "deposited" into ours at different points in the timeline, through birth.
Now the second movie had some of the others just teleported here as they were, but that doesn't jive with Connor not remembering anything prior to his Scottish life.
I enjoyed the TV show, but didn't really follow it closely.
I'd welcome a reboot if they come up with, but not necessarily reveal in the first movie, the origins and reasons for the powers (the Quickening).