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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: raidem on December 12, 2017, 02:55:04 PM
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I realize there is a WOJ from Priscellie that Hendricks first name is Nathan. Is there any book reference to his name, or twitter, reddit, etc reference by Jim that says the same thing?
Marcone
2010 Powell's books Q&A off of Youtube @0:30
With Regards to Even Hand
It's from the perspective of John Marcone, and sort of shows you what he's doing behind the scenes. And if you read the short story and then go and read the story that's in Changes in Burger King, it has two totally different meanings.
2011 Bitten by Books Q&A
John Marcone has been on the fence for most of the series. Sometimes he does the right thing, sometimes the wrong. Will there be a book where he goes full good guy or bad guy?
I think it’s safe to say that Harry will never get a clear read on Marcone. Sharks aren’t good or evil. They’re /sharks/.
I say this, of course, only because I miss the recently departed Shark Week.
Per Priscellie Jim told her at ComicCon:
Hendricks' first name is Nathan
@BillyYank Marcone was a Marine.
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Did a google search. There is a Nathan Hendricks charged with murder in Independence, Mo (Butcher's stomping ground).
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The reason why I ask this is because in a thread where I discussed that Marcone was descended from Harry and Murphy, and that his origin was in time traveling etc, someone mentioned a similarity between what I was asserting and the Xmen character Cable. So I did research into Cable and his name was Nathan Summers, with an alias of Nathan Winters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
Notable aliases
Nathan Winters, Nathan Dayspring, Askani'son, Soldier X, Chosen One, Traveler
So, I was trying to link Marcone with this Cable guy who looks like this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
I took the impression that the Section on Marcone was all about him, so I saw Nathan in the section and wondered if it was Marcone's name. It should be noted that Priscellie's herself in Reddit disputed this and argued that it was in fact Hendrick's name and not Marcone's. Now, if there is no in book, direct woj from Jim via video, reddit, twitter, I'm going to propose that there exists a possibility that Marcone's first name is Nathan, that it slipped out, that someone wasn't suppose to let it slip out, and there is a cover up to that fact. :)
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Lol, Winters and Dayspring huh? Guess he served on both sides of the court at different points in Time.
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Check out the last paragraph Jonas. Also, do you remember any occurence where we learn Hendrick's first name aside from Priscellie. I think I need to search Even Hand.
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Not off the top of my head, no. But I don't own Even Hand, only read it once... Perhaps I could think maybe in SmF when Gard and Hendricks appear together she might have called him Nathan, but idk.
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Well the theory of this if it has merit goes like this.
Jim intends for there to be similarities between Marcone and Cable.
Jim names Marcone in some way after Cable, hence Marcone's first name is Nathan.
Marcone has connections to Summer and Winter, perhaps going so far as to his last name too.
This gets me to wondering if perhaps Allison Ann Summers in Grave Peril is Marcone's daughter. In my theories this would mean Harry just saved his granddaughter. Cool, huh :)
Aside cont. Priscellie points this out on Reddit years ago about Allison Ann Summers:
Alison Ann Summers (the baby Harry and Michael save from Agatha Hagglethorne in GP) = Alyson Hannigan and Buffy Anne Summers
Jim tells Priscellie Marcone's first name after she asks about it. It seems it was told to her only, not others so that would/could suggest it was information told in confidence not meant for common knowledge yet.
She mentions it. It is recorded by someone in WOJ section on Marcone. Since it leaked, there is a need to blot out this information. Therefore, it is associated with Hendricks instead of Marcone. It should be noted that Jim admits he lies for a living and has said don't believe a word he says. I think we should at least use same standards of questioning WOJ of those close to Jim when there isn't other qualifying evidence in text, comics, videos, q&a's etc.
In conclusion, this really only has merit if there is a desire on Jim's part to draw strong parallel between Marcone and Xmen's Cable, even down to their first name.
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The reason why I ask this is because in a thread where I discussed that Marcone was descended from Harry and Murphy, and that his origin was in time traveling etc, someone mentioned a similarity between what I was asserting and the Xmen character Cable. So I did research into Cable and his name was Nathan Summers, with an alias of Nathan Winters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
Notable aliases
Nathan Winters, Nathan Dayspring, Askani'son, Soldier X, Chosen One, Traveler
So, I was trying to link Marcone with this Cable guy who looks like this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
I took the impression that the Section on Marcone was all about him, so I saw Nathan in the section and wondered if it was Marcone's name. It should be noted that Priscellie's herself in Reddit disputed this and argued that it was in fact Hendrick's name and not Marcone's. Now, if there is no in book, direct woj from Jim via video, reddit, twitter, I'm going to propose that there exists a possibility that Marcone's first name is Nathan, that it slipped out, that someone wasn't suppose to let it slip out, and there is a cover up to that fact. :)
I think it was me that made the reference to Cable, bit of an X-men fan.
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Not off the top of my head, no. But I don't own Even Hand, only read it once... Perhaps I could think maybe in SmF when Gard and Hendricks appear together she might have called him Nathan, but idk.
I was thinking that myself. I know it was the book where Harry caught on that they were more than coworkers.
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So, Marcone is the Dresdenverse Cable.
You are the origin of the idea linking what I was describing Marcone to be with Xmen's Cable.
Per Priscellie Jim told her [it] at ComicCon.
It should also be noted that Jim mentioned it to her at a ComicCon. So, if there is a link in Jim's mind between Marcone and Cable, it could be germane that Marcone's first name might inadvertently bypass Jim's security protocol at keeping things close to the vest. That is, if it wasn't Hendrick's first name as Priscellie states. He could have mentioned it in confidence, etc...
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(Reddit)
5 years ago by moobiemovie
A few I've found:
—Dr. Brioche and Waldo Butters are "bread and butter."
—In Heorot, originally from My Big Fat Supernatural Honeymoon the kidnapped woman is Elizabeth Braddock. This is also the name of "Psyloche" from the X-Men.
—The forensic tech in Aftermath is named "Jarvis," which is the name of Iron Man's butler.
—This one may be purely coincidence, but Murphy's last partner was "Henry Rawlins," and Henry Rollins was the frontman for the band "Black Flag."
Reddit
priscellie 3 points 5 years ago
—The ant-sized faerie who guides Harry to Maeve's place in Summer Knight is named "Elidee." Because she looks like an LED.
—Herbert Orson Caine's name: think "Welles." "Herbert" from "Herbert George Wells," aka author H.G. Wells. "Orson" and "Caine" from actor "Orson Welles," who played "Citizen Kane."
—According to Jim, Billy and Georgia were unconsciously named after characters on Will and Grace, which his wife Shannon was a fan of.
—A massive number of characters are named for Buffy characters or actors:
Alison Ann Summers (the baby Harry and Michael save from Agatha Hagglethorne in GP) = Alyson Hannigan and Buffy Anne Summers
Charity Carpenter = Charisma Carpenter.
Spike the Bodyguard = Spike
Tera West = Tara Maclay
FBI Hexenwulf Roger Harris = Xander Harris.
The Fellowship of St. Giles = Rupert Giles.
Ragged Angel Investigations (where Harry apprenticed as a P.I.) = Angel Investigations
Not to mention to various Buffy references: Harry says in SK that his rod and staff "Make me feel all manly," a direct quote from Spike in "School Hard." In "Something Borrowed," Bob calls Murphy "Buffy," and when she regains consciousness, she says to Harry, "You have fruit punch mouth," a Buffy quote from the season 1 finale. In "Death Masks," Thomas wears a Buffy shirt to Harry's duel with Ortega. In "Blood Rites," when confronted by black court vamps, Harry hands Inari his broken blasting rod and tells her to "Make like Buffy." Plus Harry's Spikelike duster and the fact James Marsters reads the audiobooks.
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Wow, that is some extensive work, Raidem. We know Butcher is an Uber-Geek of the First Order writing to a fanbase of other geeks; so, tossing in these references is part of what appeals to both the reader and the writer.Could they mean something other than a nod of acknowledgement? Possible, but unlikely.
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Somehow I just stumbled upon it, but we now know that he has named a character in the Dresden Files Heorot Elizabeth Braddock, which is also the name of "Psyloche" from the X-Men. Psyloche crosses paths with Cable so it's likely Jim knows about Cable too, particularly if he is versed well enough in the Xmen series as it seems he is.
So the question then is what is his designs for Marcone and is he being set up as a Cable like figure at some point.
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As a fan of both Dresden Files and Dragonlance. I sometimes try to see similarities between the Companions and Harry's Scooby Gang. The most obvious is Michael and Sturm. Is anyone else familiar with Dragonlance?
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As a fan of both Dresden Files and Dragonlance. I sometimes try to see similarities between the Companions and Harry's Scooby Gang. The most obvious is Michael and Sturm. Is anyone else familiar with Dragonlance?
vaguely yep. Lash's symbol and Raistlins eye's are a big thing for me(considering Jim at one point was in talks to redo the DL chronicles)
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Ooh, I had never heard that rumor.
Butcher could add much to the humor.
And, Dragonlance could use an exhumer.
For there to be something new for this consumer.
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Have you considered Rai, Nathan Summers is Cables natural Name... and we have Baby Alison Ann Summers in the story here. Hendricks or Marcone, we have a source for a future 'Nathan Summers' lol. Nathan Hendricks just doesn't sound right though i'll tell you what.
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We all know his first name is "Cujo."
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Well, that is what I've been basically saying, despite the title of the thread.
That Marcone's first name is actually Nathan. That his last name is tied up with Summers/Winters.
And, going with my previous theories, that he is Harry and Murphy's son, with Murphy==Mab at some point.
The reason why Cable entered into this in the first place was because I was describing my vision of Marcone's place as Harry's son and how he fits in the timeline and what his ultimate goal is. Perhaps the goal was to take out a nemfected or evil father, avert a Outside win, etc. Wardenferry then suggested what I was describing was something akin to Xmen's Cable. That was when I started researching Cable and found out Cable's first name was Nathan. I remembered someone's name was Nathan. And, it was either Marcone's or Hendricks. And, then I was wondering if perhaps it was Marcone's and not Hendricks and it got leaked to Priscellie but with some ambiguity regarding exactly whose first name it was.
As I previously stated and consistent with my theories, Allison Ann Summers could be Marcone's daughter if in fact Marcone is fashioned in some way after Xmen's Cable's, Nathan Summers. I guess I should allow for Hendricks too, but I'm more focused on Marcone.
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No, no. I'm saying if he's modeled after Cable, His MOM would be Alison Summers, not the other way around. Cable comes from the future but his parents were born in the present...
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Well, that is a new spin on things. So you're saying maybe Hendricks or marcone, whoever is named Nathan, or whoever is modeled after cable, is the son of Allison Ann Summers.
I need to read the bit about Allison Ann summers in gp. She always stood out, so she seems important. We at the time thought she was aurora's daughter but since we learned the lady can't have sex, we are left with a potential connection to summer.
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Well, that is a new spin on things. So you're saying maybe Hendricks or marcone, whoever is named Nathan, or whoever is modeled after cable, is the son of Allison Ann Summers.
I need to read the bit about Allison Ann summers in gp. She always stood out, so she seems important. We at the time thought she was aurora's daughter but since we learned the lady can't have sex, we are left with a potential connection to summer.
Crap, need to update that in my head too lol. I hadn't thought of that before.
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“You have a good heart, Harry Dresden,” Michael said, a fierce grin stretching his mouth. He stepped close to my side, facing the same direction as I. “God will smile on this choice.”
The above is Michael's statement regarding Harry's choice to follow Agatha into her domain to save the children including Allison Ann Summers.
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Harry probably said something appropriately snarky. He usually does when G-O-D gets mentioned.
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The reason why I ask this is because in a thread where I discussed that Marcone was descended from Harry and Murphy, and that his origin was in time traveling etc, someone mentioned a similarity between what I was asserting and the Xmen character Cable. So I did research into Cable and his name was Nathan Summers, with an alias of Nathan Winters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
Notable aliases
Nathan Winters, Nathan Dayspring, Askani'son, Soldier X, Chosen One, Traveler
So, I was trying to link Marcone with this Cable guy who looks like this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_(comics)
I took the impression that the Section on Marcone was all about him, so I saw Nathan in the section and wondered if it was Marcone's name. It should be noted that Priscellie's herself in Reddit disputed this and argued that it was in fact Hendrick's name and not Marcone's. Now, if there is no in book, direct woj from Jim via video, reddit, twitter, I'm going to propose that there exists a possibility that Marcone's first name is Nathan, that it slipped out, that someone wasn't suppose to let it slip out, and there is a cover up to that fact. :)
This reminds me of the Time Traveling Harry is all the Characters in the Dresden Files theory
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I didn't say Harry is marcone nor did I say all. Your statement reminds me of an easy way to slander something by using all when that was never the case.