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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: wardenferry419 on November 07, 2017, 11:40:18 PM
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Why did Uriel pick that time to bring Harry back?
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It provided enough time to maximize the impact of the loss of Harry on his friends so that Harry could see what he had done to them while still giving Harry time to stop Corpsetaker.
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It could also have been timed for Mab to be able to provide recovery before Halloween, when a Nemfected Maeve had to be taken off the board.
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What other events within the book could be a factor in timing his return. Maybe, Forthill's near death.
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What other events within the book could be a factor in timing his return. Maybe, Forthill's near death.
I assumed it was because A) Mab was starting to fail, B) Corpsetaker was about to do her thing and Morty was going to die, C) Molly was about to completely fall off the edge of the freakin' universe if she didn't get some closure on Harry's death, and D) Fitz was going to be killed. If Harry's not incorporeal, Fitz is killed but good in the first dozen chapters.
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Uriel didn't pick that time, it was more of Harry learning the lesson he needed for him to learn, then he could come back.
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Uriel didn't pick that time, it was more of Harry learning the lesson he needed for him to learn, then he could come back.
This.
Remember it was Jack who turned Harry on to three of his friends being in "danger"? The actual form that danger takes makes no matter, so Forthill's danger, or Corpstakers' rise have nothing to do with it.
So it could have been any time.
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Optimum time to oppose corpsetaker and/or otherwise succeed in what you can do. Uriel can see probabilities, so he would make sure Harry returned with the best chance of a best outcome. I suspect the timing was not completely under uriel's choice though -- I believe uriel had to work within the constraints of the "laws of magical physics".
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Some Sun Tzu variation like "a enemy is most vulnerable as they are preparing to strike."
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Optimum timing for the magic words "She cannot change who you are" to sink in and convince Harry what they are meant to convince him; all the time Mab and Uriel both are entirely successful lining Harry up to choose to do what they need him to do while still convinced he's making his own choices. He gets to blow steam and think he has the ability to refuse and that makes him much more pliable, compared to the state of mind he was revealed in GS to have been in during Changes, of being absolutely sure he could not affect losing himself in the evil of the Winter Knight and therefore trying to arrange his own death.
(And before this thread goes off into saying that can't be the case, any argument that Mab is prevented from manipulating the choices Harry makes runs aground on her actively preventing him from having the choice of using his blasting rod, otherwise one of his favourite combat tactics, during SmF by concealing it from his memory for much of the book. Even when Harry is directly shown that there is a hole in his mind there, he cannot get that memory back by force of will; it takes Michael praying for help for him to do so. We have yet to see any indication that Mab got any trouble for that, or that that's outside her legitimate rules of engagement.)
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With a flexible creativity and a stubborn indifference to others, most actions can be deemed justifiable while cohering to set parameters.
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With a flexible creativity and a stubborn indifference to others, most actions can be deemed justifiable while cohering to set parameters.
Wow, that was complicated. Had to read it 4 times before I got it.
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With a flexible creativity and a stubborn indifference to others, most actions can be deemed justifiable while cohering to set parameters.
is that the same as "people can always rationalize their actions?"
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More or less so, sometimes I excell at BULL$#!+!
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I've been accused of that a few times myself.
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I wonder what about Harry caught Uriel's attention. His starborn status, connection to Michael, ties to Colin Murphy's daughter. I really want it to be something about Harry's dad.
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I'd be into that.
Or maybe Uriel just noticed that Harry has a knack for being right where major events can be changed for the Good. Or maybe Papa Murphy put in a word for him because he was hanging around Karrin a lot.
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I believe that a big part of it was that he carried a fallen angel around in his head for years, but never gave in and accepted the coin while still fighting for those who needed his help.
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I believe that a big part of it was that he carried a fallen angel around in his head for years, but never gave in and accepted the coin while still fighting for those who needed his help.
That is what Mab said in small favour so it must be true at at least some level.
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Good point about Lash resistance.
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I wonder what about Harry caught Uriel's attention. His starborn status, connection to Michael, ties to Colin Murphy's daughter.
I wrote up a detailed analysis of this some time ago, which might be worth your attention: it's at http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40670.0.html if you are interested. In summary, I think the logic there is the other way around from what you are suggesting.
I really want it to be something about Harry's dad.
I very much want Harry's dad to be just an ordinary decent guy with a good heart. Because that way the series makes a point about the capacity of basic human goodness to help people out of bad straits and help them in positive directions, whereas if he had any sort of supernatural powers or qualities it would undercut that. I really do not want him to turn out to have been a Knight of the Cross, frex, which some people seem to really like as a notion.
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I wrote up a detailed analysis of this some time ago, which might be worth your attention: it's at http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40670.0.html if you are interested. In summary, I think the logic there is the other way around from what you are suggesting.
I very much want Harry's dad to be just an ordinary decent guy with a good heart. Because that way the series makes a point about the capacity of basic human goodness to help people out of bad straits and help them in positive directions, whereas if he had any sort of supernatural powers or qualities it would undercut that. I really do not want him to turn out to have been a Knight of the Cross, frex, which some people seem to really like as a notion.
Thanks for the thread link. I saved it to read later. As far as Harry's dad and KotC status, how do feel about the idea of him being one only for a one-time incident? If Nico can be believed, it seems that many only hold a sword for a few days.
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I always saw him as a regular, decent stage magician who got caught up in a romance with someone who showed him real magic. His communication with Harry post-death is perfectly acceptable for a regular guy, whose only cosmic importance were in his two most prominent relationships: Harry and Margaret. In fact, it'd be really fitting for Uriel to approach Malcolm, mainly because he was just a guy.
It was one of the reasons I liked Butters so much before he picked up the Sword; he was just a dude trying to do the right thing, with enough sense to realize that he's really far out of his league. I haven't read his Knight short story yet, because, as I've said in other threads, I'm not gonna buy a short story compilation for the one story I want to read, so I don't know what he'll be like as a Knight, but I really liked the Regular Guy theme (one of the reasons I liked the Codex Alera books pre-Princeps, though I like the other two for different reasons).