Two hours and a half a dozen attempted tracking spell later, I snarled and slapped a stack of notepads off a corner of a table in my sub-basement laboratory. They thwacked against a wall beneath Bob the Skulls's shelf, and fell to the concrete floor. "It was to be expected." Bob the Skull said very quietly.
I prefer the idea that Id, as the more practical portion of Harry's personality, knew that he'd eventually need Mab's help and power. So when they encountered one another in Harry's head in SmF, they struck a deal. Id would retrieve Namshiel's coin for her, and Mab would owe Id a favor, even while Harry still owed her one.I would point out that there is mention of Harry's burned hand being able to react instinctively to snatch a coin on the move when Harry cannot otherwise use said hand properly. Right after he vacates his willpower/displaces his mind into it.
Then, on the island, Id took control of one hand without Harry realizing, retrieved the coin from Michael's bag while they all crouched in the lighthouse, and slipped it into a pocket, which he made Harry forget about. All of which is possible, given that Id has controlled Harry in the past (grabbing Lasciel's coin rather than picking the kid up) and saw Mab steal memories (SmF) and control Harry's hand (SK).
Finally, when Harry lost time in the chapel at the end, Id met with Mab, giving her the coin in return for the snowflake pin that we saw in SG. A pin that signifies a debt, similar to the leaf pin gifted by Lily in PG.
So when Harry came out of his headache on the chapel floor, and Mab mentioned repaying all of her debts, she was talking to both of them.
I'm not sure the ideas need to be mutually exclusive. It seems reasonable to me that the two may have more of an ongoing relationship than a one-off deal. The pin wasn't vital to the theory in the OP, just a bit of corroborating evidence.Agreed. Id's motivation in either is to make sure Harry (himself, really) has access to the resources he'll need.
Namschiels coin was confirmed on the helicopter gryffn. Or at least somebody's was.Are you sure? I thought they mentioned the hand was still in there, but I don't believe there was mention of the coin itself.
If Id Harry did bargain Namshiel's coin for a favour, why keep it for a future marker instead of check off Mab's third marker over Harry right there and then?Because Harry unconsciously knows that things are getting worse and worse, and Mab's offer might be needed one day. Which it was. (Of course, if his debt is cleared, then he could use it to be free of the mantle, but it wouldn't help Molly, so... push, for now)
I would point out that there is mention of Harry's burned hand being able to react instinctively to snatch a coin on the move when Harry cannot otherwise use said hand properly. Right after he vacates his willpower/displaces his mind into it.Thanks. I float it every once in a while, but it's not as popular as the others, which have Marcone or Hendricks possessing the coin in one way or another.
That's actually something they can do with a rubber hand and wall, trick your mind into taking 'ownership' of a false hand to the point you feel it like your own. Id Harry coulda moved in in the absent moments.
I like this theory, never heard this one before..
Sometimes ID Harry feels like a seperate entity.I don't think he is, but I do think that he's a result of Harry's exposure to dark magic. If you'll note, those that are touched by dark magic (Sells, Denton, etc) are very Id in personality.
Sometimes ID Harry feels like a seperate entity.
Namschiels coin was confirmed on the helicopter gryffn. Or at least somebody's was.
"The I was right." I said, accepting [the blasting rod] "You took it, and you took the memory of it happening."
"Yes"
"Why?"
"Because I deemed it proper." She replied, as if speaking to a rather slow-witted child. "You would have risked your own life, and my purpose, to protect your precious mortals had I not taken your fire from you."
Yeah, I feel that people treat him as more of a separate entity then he actually is- eg "ID Harry picked up Lasciel's coin"I look at it this way. Imagine that the human psyche is an operation system. The supposed S-Ego, Ego, and Id are all part of the same OS, with no real separation. The person doesn't work without the whole package, and no part of the package can run things on its own.
No, Harry picked up Lasciel's coin, because he was driven to do so by his baser desires/darker instincts, which ID Harry represents.
There's not literally another guy in Harry's head bodyjacking him- At least I hope not. Because that would be dumb.
One detail of Griffyn's thinking I disagree with though. I don't think that Id Harry would have any desire to one day be rid of the mantle of Winter Knight. For one thing, he doesn't plan that far ahead. But moreover, why would he want to stop being Winter Knight? How is that not a near-total good thing from his perspective? It gives him more say in Harry's actions, gives him more power and better ability to protect his children. Resentment of Mab may come eventually, but as I said, it isn't in the Id's nature to think that far down the road.Remember that Id was open to the idea of using Lash, but not open to the idea of being controlled or manipulated by her. He wanted the power, but didn't want the shackles.
I found one other potential issue with the theory in the OP, though it might be alright. Mab's words about what she did with Harry's fire magic:Two things.
The OP theory asserts that the actual hiding of the memories was performed by Id Harry, acting on Mab's behalf. Are her above statements still true enough if that is the case? I'd say yes, but it isn't cut and dry.
Two things.
First, I think it was Mab that manipulated Harry's memories. She's got the ability to run roughshod over him.
Second, I think even if Id had been the one to actually conceal the memories, Mab could still say that she took them from Harry, as long as Id was acting in her name. It's like how Harry was responsible for Aurora's death, even though she was killed by dew drop faeries.
I agree with you that someone acting on Mab's behalf is the same as saying Mab did it. It's just how she did it.Except that if it were just Id blocking the memory of LC, there'd be no reason for Bob to not say, "Hey, boss, why are you doing those tracking spells on the floor? Why not use Little Chicago?" To which Harry would say, "Huh?"
The reason for suggesting that Id Harry was responsible for the memory manipulation is that it explains what was going on with Little Chicago and Mouse in TC without Mab having to meddle with Harry again directly. I find it compelling to match the blasting rod under a tarp in his mind in SmF with the tarp described as over the table with LC in TC. But he remembers LC in the Side Jobs stories between SmF and TC, so Mab couldn't have done it in SmF. If LC has been cloaked from his memory by the time of TC, then either Mab found a way to hide it which left no trace at all of her presence in Harry's memory, or someone who was already in his head did it. The second option seems simpler, and has the bonus of matching up better with Bonnie headache used to distract Harry from Mouse in the same timeframe.
The concept still holds up if you say Mab was directly responsible for hiding the blasting rod, and then Id Harry, copying her technique, is responsible for hiding LC. It just seems like added complication.
Except that if it were just Id blocking the memory of LC, there'd be no reason for Bob to not say, "Hey, boss, why are you doing those tracking spells on the floor? Why not use Little Chicago?" To which Harry would say, "Huh?"
Even if it was another case of the tarp-spell blotting out any reference to the subject (a la Harry hearing garbled noise at the phrase "blasting rod"), Bob will still notice that Harry wasn't replying to his questions. And he would have brought it up.
So there has to be another reason for Bob to also not suggest using LC. Either Mab did it, and intimidated Bob into silence, or LC was just broken at the time. The latter seems unlikely, as you'd think there'd be some dialogue expressing his frustration that the one tool he needed right then wasn't working.
You're right, Bob is implicated. That was actually the discussion that brought this theory about. Bob missing LC is odd. The lack of any dialog about LC at all is odd. Mab had access to the lab at this time, (assuming she meant no harm) so it's possible she's involved. I'll admit it's more of a reach though. I also tried to tie Bob's request for an extra vessel into the OP, but that might be pushing it too.I'm not a big proponent of time travel in the series outside of a potential PG visit in a future book. So I have nothing to help that particular avenue of discussion.
I shouldn't be surprised that any post about LC and Id Harry eventually turns to time travel. There's nothing to rule it out, and it's hard to deny the ties and resemblance. However. It's really only TC where Little Chicago goes unused, unmentioned, unseen. It's used in SmF, mentioned in SJ, gone in TC, back in Changes. Is the implication that there's time travel in TC? If so, why the timing that blocks him from finding Shagnasty? Why does that sync up with the Bonnie headache that blocks the same thing with Mouse?
Her strolling into the lab and circling the table, her eyes on his skull as she traces her fingers along the model's skyline, would be enough to have him moting in his occipital region, if you know what I mean. Getting him to agree to not mention the model for Harry's safety would be child's play.