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Title: Mac
Post by: Exkramental on August 09, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
i was out driving and it hit me. is Mac "Merlinus Ambrosius Caledonensis" aka merlin
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Post by: Griffyn612 on August 09, 2017, 11:59:47 AM
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Post by: Con on August 09, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
O.O you just blew my mind.......

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Post by: Quantus on August 09, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
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Acronym Challenge:  M.c.A.n.a.l.l.y.
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Post by: Rasins on August 09, 2017, 03:13:33 PM
I'm trying to remember. Do we know what Mac's first name is?
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Post by: Quantus on August 09, 2017, 04:56:39 PM
Not that I recall, It's always been Mac, McAnally, and in formal situations Mr. McAnally
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Post by: Rasins on August 09, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
So it COULD be Mac (Merlinus Ambrosius Caledonensis). :D
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Post by: Quantus on August 09, 2017, 06:03:58 PM
Historically, people known simply as 'Mac' are secretly named Angus...

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 :P
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: Rasins on August 09, 2017, 06:45:06 PM
LOL ... true.

If Mac's first name ends up being Angus, I'll eat something uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: Quantus on August 10, 2017, 12:03:32 PM
LOL ... true.

If Mac's first name ends up being Angus, I'll eat something uncomfortable.
Haha, now I really hope it happens.

Maybe Mac is a former Librarian, working for the Phoenix Division?
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Post by: wardenferry419 on August 10, 2017, 12:45:41 PM
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Seconded.
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: DonBugen on August 10, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Nah; Jim has made it clear that any of us can easily look up what he is in one of his Q&A sessions, and he was called a Watcher several times in Cold Days.  From a Christo-Judaism standpoint, a Watcher is a class of angel. I don't have my references with me, but the Nephilim were scions of fallen angels, one of whom was supposed to have bestowed the gift of alcohol on mankind, according to the apocryphal books.

This info, plus knowing the way that Jim says he characterizes in books, make me believe that Mac is one of the Nephilim. Remember, Jim characterizes by using repeated phrases to give an idea of the character - so Karrin is always "somebody's favorite aunt with a button nose" and has terms referencing cuteness, Marcone is described having eyes the color of old dollar bills, etc.  Well, Mac is always described using references to divinity - that he is, for example, proof that there is a God, and wants us all happy. This, plus "watcher", plus his respect to Mouse, makes me think that he came from an angelic source.
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Post by: jonas on August 10, 2017, 02:48:33 PM
Nah; Jim has made it clear that any of us can easily look up what he is in one of his Q&A sessions, and he was called a Watcher several times in Cold Days.  From a Christo-Judaism standpoint, a Watcher is a class of angel. I don't have my references with me, but the Nephilim were scions of fallen angels, one of whom was supposed to have bestowed the gift of alcohol on mankind, according to the apocryphal books.

This info, plus knowing the way that Jim says he characterizes in books, make me believe that Mac is one of the Nephilim. Remember, Jim characterizes by using repeated phrases to give an idea of the character - so Karrin is always "somebody's favorite aunt with a button nose" and has terms referencing cuteness, Marcone is described having eyes the color of old dollar bills, etc.  Well, Mac is always described using references to divinity - that he is, for example, proof that there is a God, and wants us all happy. This, plus "watcher", plus his respect to Mouse, makes me think that he came from an angelic source.
what if
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Post by: Quantus on August 10, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
what if
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If that were the case, I think it would be less a matter of Self-Control (like it was with Angry Mab) and more about limiting himself to what his cover-ID "mortal" could do (like is suspected with an Angel, transubstantiated or otherwise), which they seem to avoid impacting the Free-Will/ Butterfly effect web of causality.
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Post by: jonas on August 10, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
If that were the case, I think it would be less a matter of Self-Control (like it was with Angry Mab) and more about limiting himself to what his cover-ID "mortal" could do (like is suspected with an Angel, transubstantiated or otherwise), which they seem to avoid impacting the Free-Will/ Butterfly effect web of causality.
Also a reason to keep quiet, stay neutral and stay 'out'. What if he has a balance too yea know?(not Lucy, He's probably Uriels more or less, one promotes choice, the other defines it's very lack of in SmF)
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: raidem on August 10, 2017, 03:20:31 PM
I think I would go with Raphael before I'd go with twg.

I wouldn't mind him being Merlin. Merlin did use magic in creating demonreach the result being described as angelic.
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Post by: Quantus on August 10, 2017, 03:23:08 PM
I think I would go with Raphael before I'd go with twg.
Agreed, personally. Though even that Im not sure on, if only because there's a lot of angel he still could be without being one of the Senior VP's
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: jonas on August 10, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
If not TWG then the only thing I could supply is one of his 'renditions'. Unless everyone is assuming TWC is the only version of 'son of god' in the DF, which on starborn cyclic theory i'd sayi s unlikely, then my next runner up has always been
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Being healed from a mortal wound to the belly, on Avalon, By the 3 fairy queens, is precisely how His story ends. And i'm thinking all three, yes 3, had proxies on that hilltop.
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Post by: khadgar4606 on August 10, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
If not TWG then the only thing I could supply is one of his 'renditions'. Unless everyone is assuming TWC is the only version of 'son of god' in the DF, which on starborn cyclic theory i'd sayi s unlikely, then my next runner up has always been
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Being healed from a mortal wound to the belly, on Avalon, By the 3 fairy queens, is precisely how His story ends. And i'm thinking all three, yes 3, had proxies on that hilltop.
hold on whats the third fea queen
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: jonas on August 10, 2017, 04:55:03 PM
hold on whats the third fea queen
Elaine, Morgana and Morguise in the books. Now Morgana La fay's Atheme vectors as a potential source and weakness toward N, she's totally Nemesis now. Possibly the whole of the... damn, the fish people!! whatever they are called ??? well, she could be their queen. Multiple other reasonings. Ice and Fire in Norse also has Water as the third wheel.(I think the courts power will be bled together into 'water' an imbalance) Morgana was originally displayed as a sea sprite(maybe she's actually closer to Ursula, hell thematically, she probably stole her kingdom from her brother Merlin and drug it into the sea *cough*Atlantis*cough*
In PG/SG we get proof of three fae sisters, Hecate has 3, ect. So the 3rd missing one isn't missing, she just has a much different job. 6 queens never made sense to me anyway. But 3 times 3 is 3 squared equally at 9. other stuff not running in my mind currently, I know I have more.
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: wardenferry419 on August 11, 2017, 01:14:53 AM
Mac has not been near an angel at any point in the books, or am I wrong?
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Post by: Griffyn612 on August 11, 2017, 02:40:59 AM
Mac has not been near an angel at any point in the books, or am I wrong?
Lasciel was in Harry's head for a few books, when he visited Mac's, but otherwise, no.
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: khadgar4606 on August 11, 2017, 07:29:44 AM
Elaine, Morgana and Morguise in the books. Now Morgana La fay's Atheme vectors as a potential source and weakness toward N, she's totally Nemesis now. Possibly the whole of the... damn, the fish people!! whatever they are called ??? well, she could be their queen. Multiple other reasonings. Ice and Fire in Norse also has Water as the third wheel.(I think the courts power will be bled together into 'water' an imbalance) Morgana was originally displayed as a sea sprite(maybe she's actually closer to Ursula, hell thematically, she probably stole her kingdom from her brother Merlin and drug it into the sea *cough*Atlantis*cough*
In PG/SG we get proof of three fae sisters, Hecate has 3, ect. So the 3rd missing one isn't missing, she just has a much different job. 6 queens never made sense to me anyway. But 3 times 3 is 3 squared equally at 9. other stuff not running in my mind currently, I know I have more.
you know you might have a plot in your hand with atlantis last fea queen and maybe sword of cross we have nitro express of a story and thats perfect way to kick start back the series kudos to you my friend
Title: Re: Mac
Post by: Rasins on August 11, 2017, 06:06:25 PM
Mac cannot be TWG.

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Title: Re: Mac
Post by: jonas on August 12, 2017, 05:25:57 AM
you know you might have a plot in your hand with atlantis last fea queen and maybe sword of cross we have nitro express of a story and thats perfect way to kick start back the series kudos to you my friend
Ehh problematically I see at the least one other good Arthur choice, EK. An that's only one out of a group of 3 likely evil Queens, conceivably the least or just middling.