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Title: mantles?
Post by: raydjulia on August 30, 2013, 04:19:22 AM

Is the title of earl king a mantle like summer lady or winter night? i was thinking of a char who for some reason wants to replace the earl king. say a changeling son of his maybe?

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: bobjob on August 30, 2013, 05:06:42 AM

Nothing is specified exactly, but I've been running with a house ruled theory in my game that the "head" of a particular fae line becomes a sort of mantle after time. So if say if The Pixie (the king of pixies) is killed, a new Pixie is chosen. By my horribly skewed logic,  this would include the Goblin (the Erlking), the Red Cap, the Malk, the Ogre, etc. They all seem to have their own names (for instance, Lord Hearne is the Erlking/the Goblin, Cat Sith is the Malk etc), so I would say the proginator of a race is a mantle.

*update* There is no official answer in RAW that I've ever found, so run with it however you want to.

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: Dr.FunLove on August 30, 2013, 05:20:38 AM

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It is heavily implied that the various god-like beings in the Dresden-verse, like the Faerie Queens or Odin or the Red King to a much lesser extent all have many masks or mantles that they can wear. Being that the Erlking is a force of nature not dissimilar to the Queens I am sure if something happened to him all that power would go somewhere.

I think Harry even quotes that about energy/matter often in magic. In fact, he said something about that in Changes about Lea's gifts before the battle. Again, more support for the idea of a "mantle" of the Erlking.

Also, if you didn't want to directly usurp the Erlking (as being that would be a big in-universe change) you could have someone pull off a version of Kemmler's Insta-God ritual or something like it. Absorb the Hunt itself.

Anyway, plenty of canonical support for your character idea. I think it sounds interesting - your character must have brass balls or else be completely nuttters if he wants to take on the Erlking  :P .

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: bobjob on August 30, 2013, 06:21:36 AM

Quote from: Dr.FunLove on August 30, 2013, 05:20:38 AM

Also, if you didn't want to directly usurp the Erlking (as being that would be a big in-universe change) you could have someone pull off a version of Kemmler's Insta-God ritual or something like it. Absorb the Hunt itself.

... I want to do that now.

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: Dr.FunLove on August 30, 2013, 06:42:02 AM

Do it. ;)

Also...love your signature. Chess references for the win.

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: bobjob on August 30, 2013, 06:45:03 AM

Quote from: Dr.FunLove on August 30, 2013, 06:42:02 AM

Do it. ;)

Also...love your signature. Chess references for the win.

I'll have to do it in my inhouse game. Too many prying eyes on the board for me to get ideas like that and admit to them :)

Also, thank you. That came up as a joke in the OOC thread for Haru's South America game. Sometimes I can be funny :)

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: Dr.FunLove on August 30, 2013, 05:31:26 PM

Hahaha...nice.

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: vultur on August 31, 2013, 03:06:36 AM

I would think the Erlking pretty clearly has a mantle (Harry references

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shooting him on Halloween being significant

in CD), but I don't know if the mantle is "Erlking" or "Summer King" or "Herne" or some combination.

My guess is that "Herne" is probably his name, and that "Erlking" is the mantle... but...

Title: Re: mantles?
Post by: PirateJack on August 31, 2013, 11:09:23 AM

Quote from: vultur on August 31, 2013, 03:06:36 AM

I would think the Erlking pretty clearly has a mantle (Harry references

(click to show/hide)

shooting him on Halloween being significant

in CD), but I don't know if the mantle is "Erlking" or "Summer King" or "Herne" or some combination.

My guess is that "Herne" is probably his name, and that "Erlking" is the mantle... but...

That's probably the case. Mantles seem to link to positions more than people.