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Title: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: Brokentusk on May 02, 2013, 05:36:10 AM
1. A WCV is facing off against a Changeling with inhuman speed. They are both in the same zone. Neither one is restrained, prone, or hampered in anyway. Does the WCV need to make a Fists roll to touch the Changeling, or is that included in the deceit/intimidation roll to Incite Emotion? Can the Changeling roll Athletics (with obvious speed bonus) instead of Discipline?

2. A Scion with Incite Emotion, at Range, Emotional Vampire and feeding dependency, and lasting emotion. If the target is 1 zone away when the scion uses incite emotion can they feed right away as per the If you have the Incite Emotion ability, inciting the emotion  and feeding on it may be done as a single action, based on a single roll pg YS189?

3. When combining the Emotion Feed and Incite Emotion is it treated as an attack plus block/manuever? For example: Jack a WCV is fighting Christy a mortal vampire hunter. Jack gets in close and hits her with a +6 Incite Emotion maneuver "I make you horny, baby" and if successful wants to feed right away. Christy gets a +4 on the Discipline roll. Does this mean she takes a 2 mental stress hit ( from the feeding) and gets the sticky aspect, or just the 2 stress hit,  or just the aspect? What if Jack has Lasting Emotion as well? Or am I reading it wrong when it says This is done as a psychological attack with an appropriate skill pg YS189 and the only benefit of feeding in combat is the +1 you get next turn (or if you kill someone)

4. Does the +2 only apply to maneuvers caused by Incite Emotion and not blocks or attacks?
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: Magicpockets on May 02, 2013, 09:28:46 AM
1. Unclear. I generally require my players to make a Fists roll to touch an unwilling target, and assume that all targets in physical combat are unwilling.

2. While it's heavily hinted at that you need to touch the target, RAW does not state that you actually have to.

3. Feeding Touch, by RAW, does not deal any stress.

4. The Nixie entry strongly hints at it not applying to attacks. As for blocks, it's up to debate.
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: Wordmaker on May 03, 2013, 10:47:45 AM
Likewise, I'd rule that any attempt to touch an unwilling target in combat calls for a Fists check, likely opposed by the target.

As for whether or not you can feed at range when you can Incite Emotion at range, I would rule that you can't. As well as it being strongly suggested that you can't, none of the books show a White Court vampire being able to feed without touching. In fact it seems, from how the Raiths feed in any case, that they not only have to touch their victim, but to get a "proper" meal, they have to engage in the act that the emotion inspires. So, if you're a lust-feeder, simply touching someone who's aroused might be a taste (see Thomas' time taking "tiny bites" from women in his hair salon), to feed properly from a single target, you have to have sex with them.

Which has all kinds of scary implications for how the Skavis and Malvora like their main course...
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: narphoenix on May 03, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
On the PbP, I have a Malvora who comforts families terrified for their kin in the waiting room. So, they can sip, too.
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: bobjob on May 03, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: narphoenix on May 03, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
On the PbP, I have a Malvora who comforts families terrified for their kin in the waiting room. So, they can sip, too.

That is... decidedly evil and clever. Well played :)
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: narphoenix on May 04, 2013, 12:08:33 AM
Quote from: bobjob on May 03, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
That is... decidedly evil and clever. Well played :)

Thank you. I take pride in aspiring to Jim's cleverness. Even if I fail miserably. He's sigged, if you want to see him.
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: Sanctaphrax on May 04, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
Dunno about 2 and 3. I'm away from my books right now, and I rarely use Emotional Vampire in my games.

But I can tell you for certain that 1 and 4 don't have correct answers. They are clearly ambiguous.

My personal interpretation for 1 is that those targeted with a touch-based Incite Emotion attack can roll Athletics instead of the normal skill to defend. I favour this because I dislike rolling twice for a single attack.

As for 4, I prefer letting the bonus apply to blocks and maneuvers but not to attacks. That's what I've found to be balanced.

If you'll excuse a little self-promotion, those issues have been addressed in the Incite Effect Power. You can find it on the list (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43356063/Custom%20Powers%20Master%20List%20%28V3%29.odt).
Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: Magicpockets on May 04, 2013, 07:54:27 AM
Quote from: Wordmaker on May 03, 2013, 10:47:45 AM
So, if you're a lust-feeder, simply touching someone who's aroused might be a taste (see Thomas' time taking "tiny bites" from women in his hair salon), to feed properly from a single target, you have to have sex with them.

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Title: Re: Couple of questions about Incite Emotion and Emotional Feeding
Post by: Wordmaker on May 04, 2013, 10:50:25 AM
That's not quite how it went.

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