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Title: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: S1C0 on March 26, 2013, 03:10:05 PM

i was thinking an iop with a catch like fire and sonic or a never never monster who makes a deal with the demonic copilot and a hunger stress track
 

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Tedronai on March 26, 2013, 03:14:54 PM

Demonic Co-pilot is a horrible, horrible power, and the purpose it is meant to serve can be better served simply by allowing the character access to Sponsor Debt.
Feeding Dependancy, as the canon power, is only very slightly better.  I would recommend replacing it with either the rewritten power of the same name found in the Custom Powers Master List, or even with Limitation from the same.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: S1C0 on March 26, 2013, 03:24:21 PM

ah that is a pretty broad power and who would get the debt
are my first thoughts , but the question was more about the suit itself should it be an item or creature and if either why that and what would it be able to do for the host/wielder my secong thoughts were about the hunger if i remember correctly venom (the suit) does need to feed on adrenalin to not starve     

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Tedronai on March 26, 2013, 03:39:55 PM

I'd write it up simply as a character with a set of powers.  I wouldn't use IoP, nor would I use 'a creature that does things for the host'.

In terms of powers that would potentially be available to this character, I'm only passingly familiar with Venom, so this list is almost definitely incomplete, and may include one or two things it should not:
Inhuman or Supernatural Strength
Inhuman Speed
Inhuman or Supernatural Toughness
Inhuman or Supernatural Recovery
Spider Climb
Claws
Supernatural Sense
all of the above subject to Limitation(s) as appropriate


As far as Sponsor Debt is concerned, the plot-device mostly-silent-partner NPC of the Venom symbiote (since the character would typically be played as a unified whole except in special circumstances) would extend debt to its host in circumstances in keeping with the sponsor's agenda (usually including such things as survival of the host).  Compels on this debt could include such things as the symbiot exerting control over the host temporarily, or stressing the host's body as the symbiote feeds to regain strength after unusual degrees of exertion.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: S1C0 on March 26, 2013, 04:18:21 PM

that is cool i like the list a few additions could be made like
human guise to give him some basic form alterations for disguises
venom was a true shapeshifter unless i am mistaken
other than that he seems pretty solid
maybe marked by power 


 

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Sanctaphrax on March 26, 2013, 09:39:31 PM

I don't know much about Venom, but if you describe him (it?) to me I can try writing some stats.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: EdgeOfDreams on March 26, 2013, 09:56:05 PM

Wikipedia has a pretty good summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_%28comics%29 Particularly, take a look at the "powers and abilities" section.

I believe the powers Tedronai mentioned are all relevant. The Catch is Fire and Very Loud Noises/Sonic Attacks (Venom becomes weak or even completely incapacitated in situations such as standing next to a large ringing church bell or, in one comic/episode, being very close to a Space Shuttle launch. This would be appropriate as a compel on his high concept or another aspect). I'd also want an Incite Effect power for the web-slinging power he copies from Spiderman. Human Guise is definitely relevant as well.

Venom does have some shapeshifting ability, but I don't believe it functions in a way that Beast Form or True Shapeshifting would work well for. I'd rather have it as an aspect that can be invoked for narrative uses.

Some relevant aspects:
HC: We are Venom
Trouble: Mentally Unstable or I HATE Spiderman
Genetic Memory (covers remembering what it learns from past hosts, such as when it was attached to spiderman)
Fluid Form (for shapeshifting powers)

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Sanctaphrax on March 26, 2013, 10:13:34 PM

I dislike using Wikipedia to stat characters. The pages are too long, they're often full of continuity bits that I don't care about, and they often leave out information that's important for selecting skills and stunts.

So I'd really prefer a summary.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: JDK002 on March 27, 2013, 07:19:51 PM

Basically Venom has all the powers Spider-Man has.  So inhuman strength, wall-climbing, enhanced senses, and reflexes at the very least. 

In addition, his suit is a living alien symbiot with it's own wants and desires.  It grants additional powers like the suit being able to look like normal clothing, and it can shape itself to resemble weapons like axes, spears, whips, blades, claws, ect.

It retains at least limited knowledge of it's previous hosts.  Eddie Brock (the host directly after Spider-Man) knew Peter Parker was Spidey, knew where he lived, knew who his family and friends were and where they lived ect.  It can also develop limited counter-measures of the abilities of previous hosts.  Venom never triggered Spider-Mans spider sense powers. 

 

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Sanctaphrax on March 28, 2013, 12:44:52 AM

So Venom has powers without the suit?

I thought Venom was the suit.

And what's Venom like as a "person"? Is it a pure combat character? Is it smart? Does it have morals?

PS: Does Venom shoot webs?

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: JDK002 on March 28, 2013, 01:45:11 AM

Quote from: Sanctaphrax on March 28, 2013, 12:44:52 AM

So Venom has powers without the suit?

I thought Venom was the suit.

And what's Venom like as a "person"? Is it a pure combat character? Is it smart? Does it have morals?

PS: Does Venom shoot webs?

Sorry I should of worded that better.  The suit provides all the powers, I meant it also let him do things spider man cannot do.

Classic Venom was mostly a combatant, but he also was cruel and patient.  He like torment Peter with threats and mind games.  Showing up at his aunts house pretending to be Peters friend, stalking his wife, ect. Basically making his as miserable as possible before finally making his move.

Though he never did anything like this to anyone else.  He was known to occasionally save spider-mans life because HE claimed he was the one who decides when spider man dies.  He also at times let spider man live when he could have easily killed him because the lives of innocents were at risk.

The alien symbiot itself had a love/hate relationship towards spider man.  It desperately wanted to be joined with spidey, but hates him for rejecting it.  It's assumed that's why it emulated spider mans powers after taking on a new host.

Originally Venmon did shoot webs iirc, bit as the shape shifting powers became more prominent he started using that to simulate webs.  Which was more like thick black tendrils.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Sanctaphrax on March 28, 2013, 02:26:20 AM

Maybe something like this for the symbiote, then.

(I aimed low with the Powers here. Maybe Supernatural Strength or some Toughness/Recovery would be appropriate. Maybe the Natural Weaponry should be Potent. I don't know.)

How big is the symbiote? Should it have Diminutive Size?

Venom Symbiote (Chest Deep)

High Concept: Alien Symbiote
Other Aspects: Loves Spiderman, Hates Spiderman, Vulnerable To Fire
Skills:
Great: Fists, Athletics, Alertness
Good: Endurance, Might, Intimidation
Fair: Deceit, Stealth, Survival
Average: Conviction, Discipline, Presence
Powers:
Spider Walk [-1]
Inhuman Speed [-2]
Inhuman Strength [-2]
Supernatural Sense (Spider Sense) [-1]
Superhuman Acrobatics [-1]
Spiritual Symbiote [-1]
Natural Weaponry [-1] (Shapeshifted blades)
Long Reach [-1]
Clothing Guise [-0]
Total Refresh Cost:
-10
Refresh Total:
-2

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: JDK002 on March 29, 2013, 09:02:57 PM

That seems almost dead on with stats and powers when it has a host.  The only thing I would add is possibly inhuman toughness.  But I'm not 100% on that.  Also I'm not familiar with the Spirit Symbiote power, is that a modified kind of sponsor debt?

EDIT: When not with a host the symbiote is an amorphious mass of black slime.  Diminutive Size seems appropriate, and maybe something to represent it's insubstantial nature.  Though without a host, it would likely lose some of the powers listed.  Strength for sure, and possibly sense and acrobatics.  It's kinda hard to gauge how dependant it is on it's host in terms of power, as to my knowledge they have never given much information on the symbiote itself.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: Sanctaphrax on March 29, 2013, 09:06:01 PM

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SPIRITUAL SYMBIOTE [-1]
Description: You're a spiritual symbiote of sorts; you enter the bodies of other people and make them stronger.
Musts: You must have an Aspect reflecting this Power.
Skills Affected: Many.
Effects:
Integration. You may enter the bodies of willing characters. Entering or leaving a body in a conflict takes your action, and you can stay until you decide to leave or are kicked out by your host. While you are in a character's body, that character has access to your stunts, skills, and Powers. Size Powers and Spirit Form are exceptions to this. Other exceptions should be handled through Compels or through the Limitation Power.
Abandoned Body. While you are in another character's body, you are entirely subsumed into your host until you leave into the surrounding area. The only things you can do are look through your host's senses and talk to your host. Nobody save your host can perceive you unless they have The Sight or another such effect.
You're Not Hurting Me. You cannot be targeted with physical attacks while in another character's body, barring special Powers or unusual circumstances. Characters looking to take you down violently will probably have to settle for knocking the person whose body you're using unconscious. Mental and social attacks can target you normally, though, and you may not transfer backlash or physical stress costs to your host. If your host is drawn into a mental conflict, you may participate in that conflict.

Title: Re: how would you make Venom from spiderman
Post by: S1C0 on March 30, 2013, 03:40:57 AM

at Sanctaphrax
now that's more like it
thank you i will be using a similar sheet one that goes more smooth in the story
we have