in Grave Peril Harry did something with thaumaturgy to Kravos (Or else he wouldn't have needed that hair and the doll).
That is what I was remembering. My mistake.
Although the symapthetic link makes a strong case for Thaumaturgy, those Aspects ("Hair of Kravos" and "Doll of Kravos") could still be used in an Evocation, for the control roll if nothing else.
Actually, thresholds diminish the power of magic inside the entire building, not something crossing from the outside to the inside. So if a Ward works like a threshold, it does exactly that; reduce powers of those people not invited.I'm not sure where you're getting that. Every reference I found refered to crossing, not being within. A few examples from the section on thresholds (YS230):
"a wizard crossing a threshold uninvited leaves a large amount of his supernatural power"
Right there. You cross a threshold, and all your magic is blocked by the threshold, even if you cast it while inside it.
Right there. You cross a threshold, and all your magic is blocked by the threshold, even if you cast it while inside it.Right. But the suppression is triggered by crossing the threshold, not simply by being in it. The act of crossing the threshold has an effect that persists. This is very much the equivalent of a bouncer requiring a guy with a gun to leave it at the door as he enters. Until he gets the gun back on his way out, the benefit of owning that gun is going to be 'suppressed'. If, on the other hand, the guy was already inside with the gun before the bouncer showed up, then the bouncer being there has no impact on him or his gun.
Yes, the strength of the Threshold acts as a persistent Block on all non-permitted (uninvited) magical effects.But only those that *crossed* the threshold.
But only those that *crossed* the threshold.
Perhaps someone with a better memory or the books handy could confirm this: didn't Dresden, while discussing the subject, indicate that the loss of magic lasted for some extended period of time, reqardless of what the Wizard did thereafter? I think it was when Murphy was concerned about Dresden being impersonated by a spirit, and Dresden stepped into her house without invitation to prove he was human, knowing that the loss of magic would leave him vulnerable even after he'd left the house?
I got it then. Murphy wasn't going to ask me in. There are plenty of monsters running around in the dark that can't violate the threshold of a home if they aren't invited in. One of them had caught up to Murphy last year, nearly killing her, and it had been wearing my face when it did it. No wonder she didn't look exactly overjoyed to see me.It never says that it lasts longer than the wizard stays in the home which created the threshold, in fact it says leaves it at the door, which is more akin to the gun and bouncer analogy.
"Murph," I said, "relax. It's me. Hell's bells, there isn't anything that I can think of that would mimic me looking like this. Even demonic fiends from the nether regions of hell have some taste."
I stepped across her threshold. Something tugged at me as I did, an intangible, invisible energy. It slowed me down a little, and I had to make an effort to push through it. That's what a threshold is like. One like it surrounds every home, a field of energy that keeps out unwanted magical forces. Some places have more of a threshold than others. My apartment, for example, didn't have much of a threshold—it's a bachelor pad, and whatever domestic energy is responsible for such things doesn't seem to settle down as well in rental spaces and lone dwellings. Murphy's house had a heavy field surrounding it. It had a life of its own; it had history. It was a home, not just a place to live.
I crossed her threshold uninvited, and I left a lot of my power at the door as I did. I would have to really push to make even the simplest of spells work within. I stepped inside and spread my hands. "Do I pass inspection?"
It would, under the circumstances, be a whole lot easier in any case, because what link would he have had to target Mavra?Gee, why would the wetworks man of the White Council have a sample of one of the biggest threats from the more-or-less defunct Black Court? :P
The problem with targeting Marva or BCVs in general, is where is the ritual link?