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Title: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: jybil178 on February 09, 2011, 02:17:03 AM
Basically, I have a player who was wanting to know if this is potentially possible.  I'll be running the game to start at Chest-Deep, so she has 8 refresh to play around with...  The refresh is enough.

Now the only real question is, could this actually happen?
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Sanctaphrax on February 09, 2011, 02:18:41 AM
Sure, why not?
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: jadecourtflunky on February 09, 2011, 02:21:23 AM
Umm... ok... wow. I suppose this is possible, but it makes me wonder: what will the character be like, coming from two races as manipulative as them... and who was tricking who in that union. This might be a better idea in a submerged game though.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: arete on February 09, 2011, 02:23:12 AM
That sounds awesome from a gm perspective.  You can compel both societies on the character, and it could a really weird character.  Besides what wc couldn't use summer magic?
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: bibliophile20 on February 09, 2011, 02:26:11 AM
Interesting concept.  What's the matchup, I wonder?  A nixie/Raith or ogre/Malvora mix sounds like a one-night stand gone horribly right...
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: arete on February 09, 2011, 02:41:25 AM
It should be a really weird mix like a troll/Raith
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: crusher_bob on February 09, 2011, 04:14:11 AM
I direct you to the tale of Thor Badass McAwesome (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=printpage;topic=18030.0)   ;)
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: jybil178 on February 09, 2011, 04:22:54 AM
I direct you to the tale of Thor Badass McAwesome (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=printpage;topic=18030.0)   ;)

If I didn't know it was a joke, and a player asked... I would slap them >.< Hahahaha
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Drachasor on February 09, 2011, 06:40:45 AM
If I didn't know it was a joke, and a player asked... I would slap them >.< Hahahaha

I know what you mean, those aspects he picked don't look very good to me.  Very hard to see how they can be compelled (or even invoked in some cases).  He'd definitely have to get something more evocative.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: toturi on February 09, 2011, 07:17:50 AM
I know what you mean, those aspects he picked don't look very good to me.  Very hard to see how they can be compelled (or even invoked in some cases).  He'd definitely have to get something more evocative.
A few of the aspects are a little confusing as to what and how they would be applicable in game.

But I feel the rest are pretty evocative. I mean "My Middle Name is Badass" is about as evocative as they come.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Drachasor on February 09, 2011, 07:33:30 AM
A few of the aspects are a little confusing as to what and how they would be applicable in game.

But I feel the rest are pretty evocative. I mean "My Middle Name is Badass" is about as evocative as they come.

"Badass" by itself is a fairly generic term.  It's like "My Middle Name is Awesome."  Ok, you're great...but what does that MEAN?  Hard to see how "My Middle Name is Badass" can be compelled, for instance.

IMHO, "You can all go to hell" is ok given the context, as is perhaps the last one about being sensitive (though I wonder if the player would intend that to mean he can be compelled to kill someone by accident).
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: toturi on February 09, 2011, 07:45:34 AM
"Badass" by itself is a fairly generic term.  It's like "My Middle Name is Awesome."  Ok, you're great...but what does that MEAN?  Hard to see how "My Middle Name is Badass" can be compelled, for instance.
Do Aspects need to mean something specific? Or could they be applicable in many situations in different ways?

It could be a generally positive Aspect that can be easily invoked with very few situation where the GM will compel it. Or maybe the GM can compel it to force the character to be badassed (however the group interprets that word).
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: infusco on February 09, 2011, 03:55:44 PM
Hmmm ... as a GM, I'm always a bit hesitant to mix and match two different templates, but I not only have no problem with this, I personally think it's a wicked idea.

Mind you, in the case of both a White Court Virgin and a Changeling, a decision needs to be made somewhere down the line which direction you're going, although in this case, we now three possible outcomes instead of two! Human (playable), White Court Vampire (playable), Full Fae (not quite so playable).

Let us know how it goes :)
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Moriden on February 09, 2011, 07:50:23 PM
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White Court Vampire (playable), Full Fae (not quite so playable).

Are we in any way certain that a full blood fae "wcv" isn't possible? there are plenty of vampiric fae out there.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: infusco on February 09, 2011, 07:52:56 PM
Are we in any way certain that a full blood fae "wcv" isn't possible? there are plenty of vampiric fae out there.

Nope. Could very well be possible. Still wouldn't be playable, though.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Amseriah on February 09, 2011, 08:08:44 PM
but a Full WCV-Changeling should be as long as they have the refresh to pay for it.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: infusco on February 09, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
but a Full WCV-Changeling should be as long as they have the refresh to pay for it.

A changeling-WCV, yes. Full fae-WCV, no.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: infusco on February 09, 2011, 08:45:17 PM
Anyways, a Changeling-WCV would be kinda redundant since a WCV would already have all those supernatural powers, but now they strike at his hunger track if he pushes them too hard.

And yes, they would indeed be covered by his Feeding Dependency, otherwise it would just be an excuse to play a character with all the benefits of a WCV and none of the drawbacks.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Amseriah on February 09, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
I don't think it would be redundant being a Changeling gives you access to Seelie/Unseelie Magic, Glamours, Claws, Wings, Cloak of Shadows (if you can come up with a shadowy fae to be your parent), and so many other options.  Changelings don't have to all be descended from ogres and trolls.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Drachasor on February 09, 2011, 10:11:58 PM
Do Aspects need to mean something specific? Or could they be applicable in many situations in different ways?

It could be a generally positive Aspect that can be easily invoked with very few situation where the GM will compel it. Or maybe the GM can compel it to force the character to be badassed (however the group interprets that word).

That sort of thing, judging from my group, is something to be careful about.  In general the aspects of that character don't have good ways to compel them, and that's problematic.  "Badass" isn't necessarily a problem at all, of course, though personally I'd be a bit wary about something that's open to a lot of interpretation.  Sure, it is fine if the group all knows what it means, but that can be a bit crazy if everyone has a bunch of aspects that require special understanding to know what they stand for (technically fine, of course, but probably problematic in practice to remember the meanings).  That's all I meant.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Drachasor on February 09, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
Hmm, two ways to go with the catch,  I think.  Either WCV catches or Iron or require Iron that's a WCV catch as well (which would probably be a +0 catch...something that represents True Love and is made of iron is going to be very, very hard to find and that will probably take knowing the person to figure out...though possibly you could research it so it might be +1).
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Moriden on February 09, 2011, 10:22:57 PM
Some wedding bands are made of polished steel these days.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Drachasor on February 09, 2011, 10:25:42 PM
Some wedding bands are made of polished steel these days.

Some, but then finding ones that are that AND represent true love is doubly difficult -- though I disagree with the cynicism of the books that true love is super, super hard to find.  It's not something you can go to a store or website and order.
Title: Re: A Changeling, White Court Virgin... Thing?
Post by: Bruce Coulson on February 09, 2011, 10:51:04 PM
true love is hard to find for yourself, personally.

But finding items of true love simply requires research.  One of my PCs (who is fighting being recruited as a minion of a WCV) did some legwork and bought (at an estate sale) the engagement ring worn by a widow who was devoted to and loved her late husband.  It won't work as well as, say, 'holy stuff' vs a Black Court vampire, but it will provide a measure of protection.