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Title: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Ren on November 25, 2010, 10:53:53 PM

I'm working on developing a campaign and I had a couple of questions that I need to get cleared up;

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- With the Red Court supposedly wiped out does that really mean EVERY Red Court Vampire across the world spontaneously died?

- Can Red Court vampires create Renfields?
- If so, what happens to a Renfield if it's creator(s) are killed?
- Are Renfield's actually vampires or just really fricking strong and tough?

...you'd think that with my name I'd know the answers to the Renfield questions...rofl

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: MijRai on November 25, 2010, 11:08:30 PM

Well, Renfields are human victims of mind magic, almost brain-dead slaves. If a Red has mind magic, I'd say they could make one. Otherwise, the closest they get are drug addicted humans looking for their fix. A Renfield without a controller would most likely do what they usually do, which is commit henious acts of violence.

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Papa Gruff on November 25, 2010, 11:13:10 PM

Quote from: Renfield on November 25, 2010, 10:53:53 PM

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- With the Red Court supposedly wiped out does that really mean EVERY Red Court Vampire across the world spontaneously died?

In the books? Yes. I think so.

Quote from: Renfield on November 25, 2010, 10:53:53 PM

- Can Red Court vampires create Renfields? ,

According to canon they can't.  As a matter of fact they can do better. Addicting people to their saliva or money creates servants that can still think for them selfs.

Quote from: Renfield on November 25, 2010, 10:53:53 PM

- If so, what happens to a Renfield if it's creator(s) are killed?

Basically nothing. He won't go on an killing spree right away, but probably on some time in the futer. Until then he'll probably just stand around and fulfill the task that was given to him.  

Quote from: Renfield on November 25, 2010, 10:53:53 PM

- Are Renfield's actually vampires or just really fricking strong and tough?

Nope. Renfields are mortals who had their mind crushed into oblivion by some kind of nasty. They aren't any stronger or quicker then any other mortal, but they will take lots and lots of physical punishment.

Quote from: Renfield on November 25, 2010, 10:53:53 PM

...you'd think that with my name I'd know the answers to the Renfield questions...rofl

 ;D

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Ren on November 26, 2010, 02:44:39 PM

Thanks for the info, it helps. Means I can't have Rampaging Renfield's Roaming 'Round...ah fun with alliteration!

Just means they'll show up later on in the Campaign I am planning.

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Tsunami on November 26, 2010, 08:00:33 PM

Quote from: Papa Gruff on November 25, 2010, 11:13:10 PM

Nope. Renfields are mortals who had their mind crushed into oblivion by some kind of nasty. They aren't any stronger or quicker then any other mortal, but they will take lots and lots of physical punishment.

Actually, they can be stronger... See the Master Dominator paragraph YS:172
But other than that you're right, they are simply controlled humans.

Quote from: Renfield on November 26, 2010, 02:44:39 PM

Thanks for the info, it helps. Means I can't have Rampaging Renfield's Roaming 'Round...ah fun with alliteration!

Well, Red Vamps do have some form of mental attack ability... why not give some of them the Domination Power... that would allow for Red Renfields. But like PapaGruff said, addicting people to the venom more or less serves the same purpose... just imagine all those Venom-Junkies going into withdrawal... Rampaging and Roaming could well be on the agenda *g*

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Ren on November 26, 2010, 09:14:19 PM

The reason for the questions are for the campaign I am running which will be set post-"Changes"

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i.e. after the Red Court has been wiped out

. One of the primary themes is going to deal with the after-effects of their destruction and didn't know if they would have Renfields running around causing terror and death. Instead I can have them show up later when the Black Court tries to show up to fill the Void. Gonna get hot in Miami!

edited; now with spoiler warnings!

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: ralexs1991 on November 26, 2010, 09:30:20 PM

that'll make for interesting fun the black court filling the red court's void

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: mostlyawake on November 28, 2010, 01:50:18 PM

Quote from: Renfield on November 26, 2010, 09:14:19 PM

The reason for the questions are for the campaign I am running which will be set post-"Changes" i.e.

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after the Red Court has been wiped out.

One of the primary themes is going to deal with the after-effects of their destruction and didn't know if they would have Renfields running around causing terror and death. Instead I can have them show up later when the Black Court tries to show up to fill the Reds have left behind. Gonna get hot in Miami!

you prolly want spoiler tags where... i put them...

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: UmbraLux on November 28, 2010, 06:40:54 PM

I need to read the book again but I thought

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it allowed for the possibility of a few surviving Red Court vampires who weren't related to the bloodline destroyed by the curse.  If so, I'd treat the Red Court much like the Black - severely weakened and not much of a power outside of a few small areas.  But not gone entirely.

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: deathwombat on November 29, 2010, 02:32:36 AM

Plus if its better for your game that some survived by all means some survived.

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: mostlyawake on November 29, 2010, 02:57:59 AM

Alternately, just solve the "what is the jade court" issue by making them exactly like the red court, use the same stats, new name. 

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Ren on November 29, 2010, 01:49:35 PM

I have a friend that has a pretty good take on the Jade Court I may borrow if I decide to use them, but I'm not even sure Miami has a large chinese presence much less a chinatown. But I may however modify his verison to make it my own by allow several variant blood-lines...that and I realllly like the idea of using Pennagolans!.

Title: Re: Story-Related Questions (slighlty book soilerish)
Post by: Buscadera on November 29, 2010, 01:54:32 PM

Quote from: Renfield on November 29, 2010, 01:49:35 PM

I have a friend that has a pretty good take on the Jade Court I may borrow if I decide to use them, but I'm not even sure Miami has a large chinese presence much less a chinatown. But I may however modify his verison to make it my own by allow several variant blood-lines...that and I realllly like the idea of using Pennagolans!.

There's not really a Chinatown, but there are plenty of immigrants from Caribbean countries of Chinese descent. I can see some Jade Court presence by way of Trinidad/Jamaica/St. Vincent and the like.