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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: zerogain on October 22, 2010, 03:57:19 AM

Title: When to break a scene?
Post by: zerogain on October 22, 2010, 03:57:19 AM

I question sometimes where to break scenes, especially in reference to the books.  If this were D&D my answer would be simple, and I am tempted to use the same logic, however when you reference scenes against the events in White Night, especially at the climax, I start to question the scene breakdown.

I am trying to avoid spoilers here, so in the most general terms the climax is a pretty big fustercluck, as most DF books are by the end.  Throughout I can count Harry throwing around way too many spells for his supposed stress tracks, unless when the chapters break the scenes break.  In the literary structure the scenes are indeed breaking, but does it work in the game sense?  Can you break a scene and wipe stress while all the rivals are still on stage?

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I could see it when Greycloak opens the portal for his superghouls, but even so...

Title: Re: When to break a scene?
Post by: Drashna on October 22, 2010, 04:07:14 AM

Using the books is a very bad example. At least it references that Harry goes from scene to scene, without rest/et cetera. (YS220).  Howevery, the "Running the Game" section covers the topic very well, IMO. (YS307-308).  Basically, each scene should have a purpose. Once that's done, or if it starts to drag, it's time to close it and then move on.

As for the example you're using from WN, that would definitely not be a scene change, and an example of why harry takes a good deal of consequences.  Or rather, it's one scene *breaking* into another. No transitioning.

Title: Re: When to break a scene?
Post by: TheMouse on October 22, 2010, 12:56:31 PM

The easiest way to tell if a scene is over is to think whether you could skip ahead a little without messing things up. If the action is continuing, it's the same scene. If narration is continuous in a way that isn't, "And then, later that day..." type of way, it's probably over.

When in doubt, I ask the players. "Hey, guys. I think this scene's done. Anyone against me skipping ahead a bit?" If no one has objections, the scene is done.

I'm very much against ending scenes with someone crashing through the window to pick a fight. That's a great way to START a scene, don't get me wrong. But if something worth paying attention to is going on in the room, someone smashing through the windows is definitely the middle, not the end.

Title: Re: When to break a scene?
Post by: Belial666 on October 22, 2010, 01:26:22 PM

In WN ending there are probably the following scenes;


1)

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Harry and Ramirez entering the Deeps till the duel begins. Social combat. The pause for scene change is where the bad guys go to "find the weapons".

2)

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The duel. Physical Combat. The pause for scene change is when the duel ends, the outcome is decided and the bad guy opens the gate.

3)

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The big battle. Physical Combat. The pause for scene change is after Harry opens the Gate and the Superghouls take time to eat the Malvoras. Minor combat still occurs here and there. The crippled Superghouls regenerate due to Mythic Recovery.

4)

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The Outsider Attack. Mental Combat. Scene change is when Harry and Lara survive the explosion.

It should be noted that even a minute or two to catch a breather signifies scene change combat-wise. Think of it like boxing; between one round and the next, the boxers catch their second wind and can go at it again (stress is cleared) but they are still suffering from especially nasty blows (consequences carry over)

Title: Re: When to break a scene?
Post by: Lanir on October 22, 2010, 04:12:40 PM

It's kind of up to you and your players how you break up scenes. If a progression like Belial666 presented sounds a bit too contrived for you and your players, don't use it. Splitting up scenes like that is one of the easier methods to make for an epic story though. And it does simulate a series of adrenaline fueled challenges. But do whatever fits the story you want to tell.

Title: Re: When to break a scene?
Post by: ralexs1991 on October 22, 2010, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: Belial666 on October 22, 2010, 01:26:22 PM

In WN ending there are probably the following scenes;


1)

(click to show/hide)

Harry and Ramirez entering the Deeps till the duel begins. Social combat. The pause for scene change is where the bad guys go to "find the weapons".

2)

(click to show/hide)

The duel. Physical Combat. The pause for scene change is when the duel ends, the outcome is decided and the bad guy opens the gate.

3)

(click to show/hide)

The big battle. Physical Combat. The pause for scene change is after Harry opens the Gate and the Superghouls take time to eat the Malvoras. Minor combat still occurs here and there. The crippled Superghouls regenerate due to Mythic Recovery.

4)

(click to show/hide)

The Outsider Attack. Mental Combat. Scene change is when Harry and Lara survive the explosion.

It should be noted that even a minute or two to catch a breather signifies scene change combat-wise. Think of it like boxing; between one round and the next, the boxers catch their second wind and can go at it again (stress is cleared) but they are still suffering from especially nasty blows (consequences carry over)

that sounds more than resonable to me