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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: Carnus on July 07, 2010, 06:46:32 AM
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Hi this might be simple but I wanted to know how it works.
A character has taken Living dead (He is playing a Crow like character)
Under that power Corpse Body it says that you cannot recover from consequences and any you get are permanent unless you take some kind of effort to resolve them.
Now if this character take Inhuman Recovery can he heal consequences?
Going by the wording alone I would rule The following.
Total recovery wouldn't work because it says all you need is time and Living Dead says you do not heal with time.
Fast recovery wouldn't work for the same reasons.
Vigorous would work
Shrug it off would work as it has no restrictions you just ignore it.
Does this sound right or does purchasing Inhuman Recovery totally ignore the restrictions from Living Dead?
Thanks in advance
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I think its honestly GMs choice.
In my case, I'd probably allow healing with inhuman recovery, though I'd be leery to let players take Living dead in the first place.
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What he said. Living Dead doesn't actually sound appropriate for a Crow type-character, it's for people who look dead, nt just are.
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I wrote up a character that was a Dead Like Me style reaper character who had Living Dead. I don't actually think Living Dead is too powerful. You CAN'T recover from consequences, but they (someone with awesome sewing skills) can rebuild you. With Human Guise, it's not only playable, but really fun.
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Personally as a GM if you're going to invest points in Inhuman Recovery I'd let it heal your corpse body every bit as well as it would a fleshy mortal body. Instead of simply being an animated corpse you have some dark power at work helping you recover from damage.
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Exactly as DFJunkie says. The undead don't heal like the living do, but then those with recovery don't either and the idea of regenerating zombies/mummies/vampires isn't impossible to imagine. I generally rule that it should only make narrative sense without stretching beyond the realms of credibility.
For instance, having a fire catch for toughness powers makes sense. Layering a physical immunity to fire on top of that, whether due to an item or not, would be totally abusive even if you can make a nice story for it.
Regenerating undead are good in my book :)
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Technically, Inhuman Recovery would let you only heal minor consequences, if I'm reading this right (going by the forums). Other consequences recover faster than normal, but since normal is never, then that's still never. Mythic Recovery would be needed to fix everything automatically. Otherwise you'll have to do some work.
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I would say, your player needs to consume something to heal. A small to large sizes animal (sheep, boar, horse, cattle, police officer) or three should be enough to heal a consequece more severe than minor.
Or getting more creative, he may be able to pull this off by webbing a public place (cinema, beach, amusement park) and syphoning the resudual magic (created by life).
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Thanks for the responses.
From what I can tell the rules as written wouldn't work. As you can tell from my first post and I agree with Drachasor. Not sure if that was the writers intention or it just comes across that way with the wording.
But you guys have given a lot of great ideas in creating a new power that would let undead heal, I like that they might have to consume something to fix the broken bits. I also like the idea about a catch of fire as it destroys the body entirely.
Chris M yeah the player will be taking Human Guise also, it does sound like an interesting character.
Thanks for the ideas keep them coming or just add your opinion if it should work as written
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Living Dead also says that "supernatural help" can heal you. The recovery powers are certainly supernatural.
On the other hand, I prefer blood-drinker or similar abilities to repair consequences in undead creatures.
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Living Dead also says that "supernatural help" can heal you. The recovery powers are certainly supernatural.
The Frankenstein guy I made has both Living Dead and Inhuman Recovery. I was planning on flavoring it that since his body was an imperfect replica of life, it doesn't work right. He can heal minor consequences fine, but in order to get rid of anything other than that he has to go touch a livewire, or get struck by lightning, or bearhug an electric fence, etc. etc. Basically giving his malfunctioning body a "jumpstart".
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The Frankenstein guy I made has both Living Dead and Inhuman Recovery. I was planning on flavoring it that since his body was an imperfect replica of life, it doesn't work right. He can heal minor consequences fine, but in order to get rid of anything other than that he has to go touch a livewire, or get struck by lightning, or bearhug an electric fence, etc. etc. Basically giving his malfunctioning body a "jumpstart".
Yeah, that sounds awesome. The GM should never be turning down awesome just because of rules.
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Yeah, that sounds awesome. The GM should never be turning down awesome just because of rules.
Well, ninja-pirate-zombie-monkeys riding dinosaurs shooting lazer beams out of their eyes are awesome, but impractical rules wise. :P
Im just illustrating that sometimes even if it's awesome you cant allow it to pass. :)
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Well, ninja-pirate-zombie-monkeys riding dinosaurs shooting lazer beams out of their eyes are awesome, but impractical rules wise. :P
I think I just found the Death Curse I'm going to use for the first Wizard I play...
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Well, ninja-pirate-zombie-monkeys riding dinosaurs shooting lazer beams out of their eyes are awesome, but impractical rules wise. :P
Im just illustrating that sometimes even if it's awesome you cant allow it to pass. :)
Nah, sounds awesome.
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Hi this might be simple but I wanted to know how it works.
A character has taken Living dead (He is playing a Crow like character)
Under that power Corpse Body it says that you cannot recover from consequences and any you get are permanent unless you take some kind of effort to resolve them.
Now if this character take Inhuman Recovery can he heal consequences?
Going by the wording alone I would rule The following.
Total recovery wouldn't work because it says all you need is time and Living Dead says you do not heal with time.
Fast recovery wouldn't work for the same reasons.
Vigorous would work
Shrug it off would work as it has no restrictions you just ignore it.
Does this sound right or does purchasing Inhuman Recovery totally ignore the restrictions from Living Dead?
Thanks in advance
The only problem with the whole "consume something" concept is that "Crows" are not vampiric/ghoulish type entities. If anything, they are reanimated spirits of vengeance. The only way that I can see the "consuming" angle work is that they regain their "energy" by finding/killing their targets or other evil beings who are attached to their targets. That however, would be limited fare for such a character.
With that being said, according to the overlying tenet of the game (free will vs. nature), a crow could not be a player character for one simple reason; crows are driven by their nature which is the pursuit of vengeance against the person/people who killed them and their loved one/ones. A crow cannot choose not to kill their targets (please forget the stupid television show with Marc Dacasos...I'm talking about the concept according to Barr). Once a crow has slain their target(s), then their time on Earth is done and they have to return to the afterlife.
I allowed a player to play a crow-like character in a WoD game. The problem was that the player became attached to the character and the power and kept trying to put off taking vengeance against her killers. That is the one thing that a crow can't deny; seeking vengeance.
You can do what you want, ultimately; it's your game. But those are my thoughts on the subject. It's up to you and good luck either way with your game, mate!
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Ever seen 'The Crow' TV series? You can modify things like that if you want. Also, he said "Crow like character", his character could easily be as different from the actual movie version as White Wolf and Dresdenverse vampires are from each other.
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The only problem with the whole "consume something" concept is that "Crows" are not vampiric/ghoulish type entities. If anything, they are reanimated spirits of vengeance. The only way that I can see the "consuming" angle work is that they regain their "energy" by finding/killing their targets or other evil beings who are attached to their targets. That however, would be limited fare for such a character.
With that being said, according to the overlying tenet of the game (free will vs. nature), a crow could not be a player character for one simple reason; crows are driven by their nature which is the pursuit of vengeance against the person/people who killed them and their loved one/ones. A crow cannot choose not to kill their targets (please forget the stupid television show with Marc Dacasos...I'm talking about the concept according to Barr). Once a crow has slain their target(s), then their time on Earth is done and they have to return to the afterlife.
I allowed a player to play a crow-like character in a WoD game. The problem was that the player became attached to the character and the power and kept trying to put off taking vengeance against her killers. That is the one thing that a crow can't deny; seeking vengeance.
You can do what you want, ultimately; it's your game. But those are my thoughts on the subject. It's up to you and good luck either way with your game, mate!
Well, they could always just drop the Living Dead thing. I mean, the Crow IS living dead, but then, so is RCV kinda. I would just skip that part and give them inhuman recovery and get ta gaming.
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(quibble)RCV isn't a living dead person, a black court vamp is. The Red Court undergo a transformation that does not require death, unlike the Black Court.(/quibble)
I'd say let them stack, /shrug. Fun should always come before the rules in this type of game system.
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Ever seen 'The Crow' TV series? You can modify things like that if you want. Also, he said "Crow like character", his character could easily be as different from the actual movie version as White Wolf and Dresdenverse vampires are from each other.
This may not be the greatest example. Draven in the show still heals pretty quickly. Just off the top of my head, I remember an episode where he took several full clips of submachine gun ammo to the chest from ~20-25 feet away...and in under an hour he's popping out of a ceiling vent spooking Albrecht. However, he did get temporarily taken out, and seemed to undergo a brief spiritual vision before healing. Perhaps it could be modeled after that? Taken out of the immediate conflict, and before the healing can begin you have to make a successful Conviction check with a difficulty related in some way to the attack that took you out of the conflict?
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(quibble)RCV isn't a living dead person, a black court vamp is. The Red Court undergo a transformation that does not require death, unlike the Black Court.(/quibble)
Yeah, they're dead. The point was, neither is Crow, quibblewise.