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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: Ancalagon on February 23, 2010, 02:59:35 AM
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Hello
I'm going to talk about Ottawa here, but really what I'm about to say would apply to Washington DC as well (or London, Paris, any National capital).
The assumption in the Dresden files so far is that the government knows little, if any, about the supernatural. This is made somewhat easy by the novels being located in Chicago - ie NOT the national capital.
However, I'm planning on running my game in Ottawa - Canada's capital. If there is any sort of government agency, awareness or anything - even if it's pretty limited - it's going to have quite an impact in Ottawa itself, and therefore on how the game is run.
If anyone has any advice on running the game in "Government Town", I'm all ears :)
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Your most important question is whether or not the government itself is in the dark about the supernatural.
Either possible answer will guide much of the rest.
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If anyone has any advice on running the game in "Government Town", I'm all ears :)
Spend all the money you get, or you'll get less next time. ;D
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Judging by the existance of thing like "Project Blue Book" and "The Star Gate project" (not the one from TV) I would think that the Gov. is aware of if not exactly competent to handle the supernatural. I figure when McCoy pulled that satellite out of orbit the guys at NORAD noticed that it came down in one piece on an isolated target at a trajectory not consistent with natural orbital degradation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project)
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-The head of the government section in the city is listed as a free holding lord under the accords with the emergency services gaining protection. Lawyers being used to argue the details of the accords in criminal cases involving supernatural beings.
-The government attempting to regulate the supernatural community, immigration, registration perhaps a supernatural department but a large and successful one in comparison to the one in the books
- Joint White Council and government training centers for developing mages.
Perhaps members of the police force being trained in return for development of facilities.
-'Wizard' Council Flats. Magic users being put in old or run down accomodation so they dont blow the place up
- Negotiations between the Fae and the government over city expasion and green space
- Use of supernatural beings for research, such as experimentation of Red Court as an attempt to work on a cure for Red Court Infected
- Registration of Red Court Infected (perhaps access to 'Blood Donations?' as a benefit of registering?)
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-Gov. plans to weaponize magic creatures, casters, routs through the Nevernever etc
-Casters added to secret service details for key gov. officials
-white court controlling political figures with sex or blackmail
-Head of state binds nation to agreement with the fey then tries to back out due to very high cost (think Torchwood Children of Earth)
-Terrorist plot Involving Djinn
-"Night at the Museum"
-janitor at the PM's home is selling locks of hair or nail clippings to "collectors"
Any of these could lead to a major confrontation when the UN discovers that one nation has had contact/made deals with newly discovered supernatural beings to gain advantage.
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Some of the stuff that you folks are slinging about sounds more like X-Men than DF, but YMMV.
For my part I plan to run a game in London, where the (mortal) Queen still holds quite a bit of real power due to the faeries having signed onto the magna carta. The Queen has a set number of favors to call in to deal with 'big problems'. So Royalty stands between the mortal government and the faerie Parliament of Lords, but has to decide carefully whether or not to risk asking for aid.
Tradition also holds that a member of the White Council make him or herself available to advise the monarch should she wish it.
The PM and his cabinet will be aware of 'unusual threats' and have a few special units available to deal with them - notably a squad of SAS werewolves.
Aside from that there will be a couple of clued in enforcement units in the firearms branch of the police, but that about sums it up.
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Your point about the X-men is valid but this is because the issues are very similar the only difference is the source of power not it effects, uses, or challenges.
Your game sounds great I love the idea of a historical connection between the Crown and the Fey as well as the White Council. I can imagine similar pacts in other places Especially Asian rulers and Dragons for example the "divine Wind" that protected Japan from Mongol invasions twice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan)
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just read another thread about possible spin off books http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,15416.msg727864.html#msg727864 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,15416.msg727864.html#msg727864) in the initial post butcher mentions the "Special Collections Division of the Library of Congress. (Do NOT screw with the Librarians. Holy moly. Just don't.)" this seem to solve our debate at least as far and Jim's version. As has been said in other threads your DF universe may differ.
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just read another thread about possible spin off books http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,15416.msg727864.html#msg727864 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,15416.msg727864.html#msg727864) in the initial post butcher mentions the "Special Collections Division of the Library of Congress. (Do NOT screw with the Librarians. Holy moly. Just don't.)" this seem to solve our debate at least as far and Jim's version. As has been said in other threads your DF universe may differ.
...well, least now we know who confiscated the film from Fool Moon ;D
Incidentally, the US and (probably) Russian governments at the least know about the White Council. IIRC, Jim mentioned somewhere that the Council helped broker nuclear treaties between the two world superpowers.
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I do think that it's going to be inevitable that major governments are somewhat clued in. If they aren't then the countries in which they operate are likely being vigorously policed by someone/thing else - in which case there is just a different authority - the local red prince, grand magus, dragon, baba yaga, whatever has sufficient force and authority to keep everything under wraps.
Mortal governments, I'm sure they'd want to build some sort of weapon-x security, but the question for me is more 'does it feel right for the setting?' and 'if they did that... what would the existing supernatural players do?'. For me the answer is...'not so much' and 'stop it and make it bad for those who try.'
Just remember that most of the powerful members in these groups are going to regard their own members as something like extended (or in the case of the white court, literal) family with pure mortal humanity a distant second. I mean - imagine the mindset of a wizard who has seen nations rise and fall, seen a couple of his own families pass on and sworn off more for the pain of it all; where the only constants are The Council and the other long lived types. And they're the most normal of the powerful. Imagine the response to 'Merlin, the USA is trying to breed super wizards.'.... I suspect the answer would be something along the lines of, 'Really? Do be a good chap and tell the president he is going to have to sit on the naughty step again... Oh, and pass the salt won't you?' :P
For me I think it's more fun when mortal governments try to use diplomacy with the groups and the minimum possible power to stomp on the unaligned troublemakers.
as I said though, ymmv
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There maybe small groups of clued in..
I think that Murphy and how SI works is a good fit for an overall feel.
And remember for every Murphy and Carmichael, you're going to have the FBI wackjobs.
Think Scully and Mulder. You might have a small black ops group, or project trying to weaponize blah. But lets face it, you'll never get to speak to the President of the United States about your weaponized vampire plan. You'll find yourself in a padded room the moment you suggest talking to him.
But, I think there are small groups. The Library of Congress Special Division, A Small unloved FBI group. I could see a Government group that was formed say in the late 1800's that is now a signatory of the Accords, that isn't REALLY a Government group anymore. I could see the Library of Congress having that whole warehouse from the end of Indiana Jones.
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Well for me I just tried to think what would happen if a government authority on a large scale found out about the supernatural. Two answers came to mind: Destory it or use it. My suggestions were coming from the persepective of use it and isnt the lust for power a recurring theme in Dresden? A government official trying to milk the newly discovered supernatural community in his city for all its worth and control it. Doenst sound too far from the setting to me. The only leap is a council that is largely clued up and more awareness then Chigcago's council was part of Anclagon's original premise. If we accept that then:
-Harry already works with the Police Department. A white council wizard who obeys the laws of magic first but also is under the employ of a government agency. He is succesfull in helping the police department prevent further supernatural based crime, in my mind it is only the refusal of those in charge to admit to the existence of the supernatural that stops this from becoming a more common arrangement.
- is a medical proffessional helping to heal wounds from supernatural based incidents. Is it such a jump to a researcher clued up on the existence of the red-court trying to find a way to help the infected?
-Weve seen how the Fae guard their own and there is a history in the folklaw that the White and Summer courts are based from of Fae guarding 'fairy paths' and places they feel belong to them, grealy interfereing with the lives of mortals who built houses or their own paths in the way. It'd be difficult but im sure that somoene skilled at understanding the complexity of the accords would be able to negotiate with them over this and we all know how much cities love to expand at the expense of the nature in the area.
-Im sure a clued in police force would be interested in the information being passed along
- is a free holding lord and his people are protected under the accords. I dont see any issue with a government official singing up to protect his people and of course the flipside of having your people protected by the accords is negotiating through problems with other factions protected by the accords. Wouldnt you want someone already skilled at manipulating the law like a lawyer working to help find the (many) loopholes in supernatural law?
-The White Court already manipulate and infiltrate mortal positions of power to make things easier for themsevles. I could see a family appearing to comply with city council whilst trying to improve their own standing and swing the position of power in their favour.
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- to each his own :P
Just remember that once you have large scale govt knowledge it's also not much of a leap to ex-employees building private roads through the never-never to make a quick buck :P
I'm not saying don't do it, or even that it's a stretch to get there. I'm just suggesting that the feel of your game will change.
To me faeries that aren't fundamentally alien and by that I mean outside the scope of human understanding don't really feel like faeries, and for that matter DF doesn't feel like DF if the mayor just calls out Wizard Branch when he needs a tough case cracked.
It also means that your characters will more than likely be operating within the system (or possibly against it) rather than outside it - as is the case in the books. Harry may be employed as a 'nutjob psychic' who gets results, but the adjective is important - it's the indication that whilst the city is prepared to 'believe in more' it is not prepared to BELIEVE in more. If it were Harry would get real support rather than just tolerance, and you really can't have a hard boiled detective story where the hero gets real help when he asks for it - they just don't work like that.
You could argue that it's a case of degree, and that would be completely valid. All I'm saying is just be careful you don't end up starting an avalanch :P
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The only leap is a council that is largely clued up and more awareness then Chigcago's council was part of Anclagon's original premise.
Well, I'm not entirely sure what you are saying here - my premise was that IF the government knows about the supernatural, the effects and impact of that knowledge would be most keenly felt in the Nation's Capital.
Anyway, I must admit that this thread has given me a number of ideas, especially the Queen and Fairies part. In Canada we have a Governor General, who is the Queen's Official Representative (we *are* a constitutional monarchy, after all). The idea that the office of the Governor General - usually seen as purely ceremonial - is actually the one that is aware of supernatural issues is just too good not to use :)
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This is an excellent thread! ;D
On one hand you've got Dresden ... no one knows about this stuff.
On the other hand you've got Fringe or X-Files ... the government knows and is covering it up.
Throw in a pinch of Delta Green and you've got a supercampaign!
Brilliant!
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This is an excellent thread! ;D
On one hand you've got Dresden ... no one knows about this stuff.
On the other hand you've got Fringe or X-Files ... the government knows and is covering it up.
Throw in a pinch of Delta Green and you've got a supercampaign!
Brilliant!
I am now picturing the inevitable wise-crack deathmatch between Harry and Mulder/Scully.
"It can't be real!"
"It is. See? Look at the trash can. Look at it. Loooook at iiiit...BAM!" [trash can vaporized.]
"...I would love to see you try rationalizing that, Scully. This is proof of-of everything!" [Twenty minute ramble about alien abductions and JFK.]
"...uh..."
"Imps did JFK. Sorry. Some guy with the Venators cover it up after the fact." [Cut to Cancer Man laughing madly with a flame thrower in the dark.]
"WHAT?"
"And anal probing? Fairy prank." [Cue Toot.] "Turns out there was this guy back in Utah who-"
"BUT WHAT ABOUT MY SISTER?!"
"...well...there're these things called Hobs..."
Five minutes later, they're all drinking at Mac's and Mulder is converting to new age pantheism while Scully has a nervous breakdown at her beer.
The End
...or is it?
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Well, I'm not entirely sure what you are saying here
Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick!
If it were Harry would get real support rather than just tolerance, and you really can't have a hard boiled detective story where the hero gets real help when he asks for it - they just don't work like that.
Ah yeah I see where your coming from now, I hadn't thought of it in that way before.
Im loving the idea of the Fae signing on with the magna carta and having their own house of lords! You had any thought about adapting any other bits of English history?
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I've been away for a few months to avoid spoilers for Changes, Hello all.
Ancalagon, Greetings to a fellow resident of Ottawa.
My personal perspective on government interaction with the supernatural is that the boot is likely to be on the other foot, supernatural beings may have need to manipulate public servants and others to ensure their secrecy and continued existence. The vampires or the fae are likely to be better at this than wizards, for the simple reason that they have no restrictions on their ability to influence and control mortals with their powers, beyond the restriction on using police or public exposure against another accorded faction. Consider the disappearance of Susan's Loup Garou tape, or Madeline's use of mind-control to move mortal agents in Turn Coat. The later case was private sector, and the former may have been as well, but the only limitation preventing interference with the government is the reference to using mortals being equivalent to going "nuclear" and I think there may be limitations on when that applies.
Consider the Special Investigations Unit from the books; they are to an extent aware and Harry's assistance has helped them battle a number of supernatural threats, some independent and some tied to the larger groups. Given that harry was able to use the help of the cops to bring down Kravos back in Grave peril it seems that the Nuclear option is permissable against anyone not covered by the Unseelie Accords. He did not bring in SI, other than Murphy, when he was facing Mavra scourge or the Lord Raith in Blood Rites; and I think that using her presence to muscle other supernaturals is going to come back to bite him. But in general, the limitation on making use or influencing the police only seems to come up when they are used against another signatory of the accords. Taking steps to ensure the continued secrecy magic and vampires is probably just regarded as good business, and if they happen to use a thrall to send the cops after some troublemakers (non-wizard PCs) then it's not an accord violation, given Harry's precedent.
Police and related services (in Ottawa the RCMP leap to mind) are likely going to be a primary focus of both control and resistance. Attempting to shush any stories about bodies drained of blood popping up in the Canal or the Ottawa river, or a rash of suicides or people who died from their endorphin or adrenaline systems overloaded with pleasure or fear, is much easier for vamps if they have a thrall or a mortal agent on the inside. Health services are also another possibility; both for discovering the truth in the data and dealing with a controlled colleague ordered into hushing up incriminating data by inhuman masters. Any characters functioning in such a setting have got to keep wondering about who they can trust; who have the enemy got to. You could be in Public Health or Transportation and still feel like you're in a spy novel.
If you want to have a specialized agency that deals with the supernatural you have to think of a few things:
1) How far up does the knowledge go? Has the Minister been briefed? Has the Prime Minister been briefed?
2) Has the organization been compromised?
3) If not, how have they avoided it?
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1) How far up does the knowledge go? Has the Minister been briefed? Has the Prime Minister been briefed?
Probably like "How far down does the knowledge go?" The White Council was directly involved in nuclear non-proliferation between the US and Russia, so it's probably not unreasonable to assume that at least a few mortal heads of state and heads of government know about them. We also know that the US has a special department of congress dedicated to collecting magic-related things. Word of Jim on both counts, but still. Chances are, and especially with the history of mutual defense policies the US and Canada have, Canada would be in roughly the same boat.
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Im loving the idea of the Fae signing on with the magna carta and having their own house of lords! You had any thought about adapting any other bits of English history?
Hiya - well yes and no. There is a trap of putting every historical event down to supernatural causes and I'm trying to avoid it, so for now I'm just thinking in broad stroke 'game seeds' and adding more stuff as and when.
-In my mind I've got the various orders and chapters of masons re-enacting ancient traditions, but the traditions were taught by ancient wizards and are integral to massive spells that can be tapped by practioners with the right knowledge. - It's a seed that can be used in a few ways:
1) Someone is knocking off anyone involved in a particular branch of masonry... players have to figure that out, then figure out why, and then what the tradition is for, and who might be able to use it / be harmed by it.
2) Someone is using massive power by tapping one of these things... Disciples of Kemmler or similar?
3) One of these things have been lost and needs to be re-established to combat badass de jour.
-Saint George and the Dragon => Knight of the Cross... seems pretty likely to me... ; ) It may be a myth, but I figure if humans can leave ghosts then so can dragons... :P A PC with a dead dragon in his belly seems like a pretty unusual character concept...
-If there is also a Faerie parliament, who was Guy Fawkes really after?
--etc etc. endless plot ideas, and the risk of cheese... ;)
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One of the thing that would make it harder in Ottawa I find is that the murder rate here is so low. We have about 12 murders per year - so that's 1.2 murder per 100 000 inhabitant. Washington has 30 per 100 000 inhabitant, and Chicago has about half that.
This makes the whole notion of predators hiding in the night a bit odder, as well, each murder is quite the big thing here. But that may be an opportunity as well - why is the murder rate so low? Is there a Dresden explanation?
I'm working on one ... but I hesitate to use it because it's erm, un-PC and political.
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Check the statistics for missing persons and you find your pool of candidates.
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Yeah, missing persons is the standard Dresden Universe explananation, I think it's gone into explicitly in Dead Beat (reference is made to the number of missing persons who are never found being the same proportion of the population that herd animals lose from predators).
Monster kills actually don't tend to wind up listed as murders, for a variety of reasons, from the fact that the bodies are usually either clearly killed by a wild animal, or completely gone in one way or another (either eaten or disposed of somehow) to, in the case of more subtle predators such as the White Court, the fact that they show up as heart failure or something relatively innocuous like that.
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If you dan't want to post your ideas but still want feedback, feel free to PM me. I'll just post my stuff here for the moment.
what Deadmanwalking and SoulCatcher78 said about missing persons, plus suicides. Children abducted by trolls or the victims of house Raith are unlikely to show up in murder statistics. I've been able to get a look at a crime map of Ottawa's missing persons cases and there are plenty, about 300 in the last 30 days. Even given that most of those people will be found and the causes will be quite mundane in the real world, in the Dresdenverse some of those people may have been taken into the nevernever, or their bodies were disposed of and never found. I haven't been able to track down suicide figures yet; and all I have to go on are the stories from some guys I knew on a rowing team and the number of times they saw bodies first thing in the morning on the canal or Dow's lake, but that may be a biased sample.
The low rate of violent death in Ottawa makes it unlikely we have any numbers of Black court vampires or ghouls around, but that leaves a lot of options. There is a fair amount of variation in the styles of various Red court vampires; Bianca left a trail of bodies, while Ortega was very controlled in the matter of feeding. He kept deaths to a minimum and kept a captive community for his vassals to feed on. If the city does have Reds they probably act in a similar way, confining their feeding to poorer areas of the city (Vanier? Hintonburg?) and using cash and threats to buy the silence of their blood supply. Or if you prefer a darker route, and don't mind borrowing from White Wolf, they may have simply grabbed people no one would miss and keep them caged like battery hens someplace secret; maybe someplace outside of town off a side-road. The Raith don't have to go to those lengths, their feeding is usually non-lethal and when they do kill it probably doesn't look like murder.
One thing I can say is that if this city had a supernatural presence, they would not be sloppy. Ortega or Lara could survive here, Mavra or Bianca would likely cause too much disruption and draw too much notice. Subtler actors and manipulators would find it easier to move about here, provided they were careful enough in cleaning up after themselves.
As far as a element of conflict goes, Ottawa weather suggests we may be a battleground for the Winter and Summer courts. I doubt either of them is responsible for hushing up the fallout of those battles, besides weird and unseasonal heat waves and cold snaps, but that still leaves plenty of options for string-pullers. A government organization could be a potential candidate there, but given powers of the vampires and the sidhe I find it unlikely that such a group could remain [1] hidden, and [2] uncorrupted.
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Precisely - low 'food' (shall we call it) figures create as many questions as high ones. Perhaps the local red vamp lord is filled with genuine remorse... and keeps his court on a tight leash? Or perhaps he is just taking a longer view like Johnny Marcone. The first option makes him a potential ally and/or victim to be saved; the second makes for a very scary nemesis that can still be counted on to work along with the characters if it's in his own interests.
Then again, perhaps there is a dragon in town who is known to not appreciate folks who make waves... :P
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Ok, here's my ... risque idea.
An interesting aspect of the Dresden file is that it uses "evil supernatural forces" to explain a fair amount of crime, disasters and general misery. It seems to answer some kind of need we have to blame an external agent for the darker aspect of our nature... but I digress.
So - what's an evil in Canada? Our shabby, shabby treatment of the Aboriginals. If you take a moment, take an observer position, it's appalling. So... why, in the Dresden Universe, is this going on?
Well, we know that a lot of supernatural creatures in North America seem to be of European origin. I propose the following: When America (the continent) was discovered, not only humans saw the potential for expansion. Aboriginal spiritual beliefs and mystical traditions can be very strong - look at Injun Joe - and they posed a huge obstacle to various would-be predators. They had to be eliminated. Meanwhile, in those times, mundane humans were more willing to believe in the supernatural, and some of the colony leaders were becoming increasingly alarmed both by the Aboriginals mystical powers and the dark things that lurked at night.
So... a Deal with the devil was struck. In exchange for a promise to leave the european colonizers alone, a Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs was given the responsibility of "managing" the Aboriginals, in other words slowly crush their culture. As a result, the Aboriginals slowly lost their ways and are frequently preyed upon by various supernatural predators, while other Canadians are rarely the victims of such attacks. But the Minister of Indian Affairs has little resources to police the Deal, and it may just be a matter of time before the other parties renege on it.
I think it's a good idea, but it might be... too brutal.
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I think if you can utterly disgust your players with the monstrousness that vanilla humans can exhibit then you're onto a bit of a win :o The 'monsters' at least have an excuse!
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I think if you can utterly disgust your players with the monstrousness that vanilla humans can exhibit then you're onto a bit of a win :o The 'monsters' at least have an excuse!
I'm not making any thing up here. For example, it recently came out that Inuits have tuberculosis rates over 100 times higher than the general population. It then came out that the government has known about tuberculosis problems in Aboriginals since *1907*, but in over a century has done nothing to address the problem. All I'm doing is adding a "Dresden reason" to the facts.
I'm just wondering if this kind of reasoning is too political for a game... (I should also add that neither I nor any or my players are Aboriginals)
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I guess it depends on how adult your players are in their views. It's not like you can offend the setting.
If you're asking if Aboriginals would be offended, I'm sure I couldn't comment.
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The low rate of violent death in Ottawa makes it unlikely we have any numbers of Black court vampires or ghouls around, but that leaves a lot of options. There is a fair amount of variation in the styles of various Red court vampires; Bianca left a trail of bodies, while Ortega was very controlled in the matter of feeding. He kept deaths to a minimum and kept a captive community for his vassals to feed on. If the city does have Reds they probably act in a similar way, confining their feeding to poorer areas of the city (Vanier? Hintonburg?) and using cash and threats to buy the silence of their blood supply. Or if you prefer a darker route, and don't mind borrowing from White Wolf, they may have simply grabbed people no one would miss and keep them caged like battery hens someplace secret; maybe someplace outside of town off a side-road. The Raith don't have to go to those lengths, their feeding is usually non-lethal and when they do kill it probably doesn't look like murder.
One thing I can say is that if this city had a supernatural presence, they would not be sloppy. Ortega or Lara could survive here, Mavra or Bianca would likely cause too much disruption and draw too much notice. Subtler actors and manipulators would find it easier to move about here, provided they were careful enough in cleaning up after themselves.
Agreed.
As far as a element of conflict goes, Ottawa weather suggests we may be a battleground for the Winter and Summer courts. I doubt either of them is responsible for hushing up the fallout of those battles, besides weird and unseasonal heat waves and cold snaps, but that still leaves plenty of options for string-pullers. A government organization could be a potential candidate there, but given powers of the vampires and the sidhe I find it unlikely that such a group could remain [1] hidden, and [2] uncorrupted.
I hadn't thought of that, but that's an excellent angle. Winters here can go from very harsh to kind of... wussy (like last one). I am still toying with the idea of having The Governor's General's office have some contacts with the fae, following up on the idea that the British Crown has contacts with the two Courts.
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There are a few problems I can think of with regards to the aboriginal pact idea:
Firstly, it's a little too much "Ottawa as the Capital" and not enough "Ottawa as a city", and you might want to think of this city in terms of all the stuff that goes on away from the direct business of government. Instead of focusing on the plight of the Inuit and First nations as a whole focus on those that live in this particular area. There's the Akwesasne reservation near Cornwall, and there are natives living in Ottawa, many below the poverty line. I'd say that as a rule supernatural predators are going to strike against the most vulnerable prey, which might apply to those in the city but probably wouldn't apply to Akwesasne (too many guns). The problems at Akwesasne tend to revolve around drug-related crime and violence, or at least that's what the RCMP's publicly available information on organized crime in the area seems to say.
Ok, but you have this national organization that tried to make a deal with supernatural entities, only problem is that non-supernatural human organizations (pre-Marcone) have no status under the accords, and little capacity to enforce the pact except by force. Given that the only way to strike such a bargain would be in a negative way, by not providing protection, then possibly your national agency simply doesn't apply any force to protect reservations, maybe making a claim about lacking the mandate to enforce on Native land to justify non-interference.
I've tried looking at the role of natives in the history of Ottawa, but it gets a little confusing; the land Ottawa was built on was handed over by treaty in 1822, though there were already settlers here before that, but the group who were negotiated with, the Mississauga, never actually hunted around here. There were Algonquin here, but they were either forced out or mixed in with white squatters when development got organized.