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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: blackheart on August 23, 2009, 02:45:56 PM
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Fred, can you say what dice mechanic will be used for the RPG?
Fate Dice like in SOTC ( +/ /- ) or something else?
It may seem a silly question, but with Starblazers Adventures using d6-d6, I just wanted to be sure.
Thank you.
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Honestly, we're probably going to be agnostic on dice mechanic. Fudge dice are our default, but you could use Starblazer dice instead and it won't break anything. :)
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Wow, thanks for the quick response! I feel loved! (doesn't take much, does it?)
But no, I wanted fate dice to be used! I just ordered $20 of Fate dice just for the DFRPG!
A bit premature maybe, but like Harry has found out over the books, it pays to be prepared!
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When I read the title of the thread, I thought the OP was suggesting special FATE dice to go with DFRPG. (Maybe a special Dresden arcane symbol on them?)
I'd buy that!
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Custom dice -- which these would be, since each face is not a '1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6' -- that cover all faces are *pricey*. We don't have plans to do custom dice right out the gate.
When I read the title of the thread, I thought the OP was suggesting special FATE dice to go with DFRPG. (Maybe a special Dresden arcane symbol on them?)
I'd buy that!
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When I read the title of the thread, I thought the OP was suggesting special FATE dice to go with DFRPG. (Maybe a special Dresden arcane symbol on them?)
I'd buy that!
Ooh, agreed, since WoD has their own custom dice...
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How about getting some Blank Dice (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dice-blank-pack-10-16mm-diameter-00540/dp/B001CWGGHQ/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1252696803&sr=8-16) and a permanent marker? Much cheaper ;D
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How about getting some Blank Dice (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dice-blank-pack-10-16mm-diameter-00540/dp/B001CWGGHQ/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1252696803&sr=8-16) and a permanent marker? Much cheaper ;D
Cowboy up! dremmel tool
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Another point of order is that over on the Starblazer forums there had been some experimenting with 4FD vs. d6-d6 and the former does have a significantly lower average results total from the latter.
Given the somewhat cinamatic themes of the Dresdenverse (yes, I'm using that term cuz' I is a geek) it seems that d6-d6 would give a greater chance of success or failure due to even a +1 to a check is a big deal using the FATE system.
It will be interesting to run this with both dice sets and see the results first hand.
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If anyone can't find Fudge dice but has access to a computer with a dice roller, 4dF is statistically identical to 4d3-8.
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For what it's worth, the LEGO company recently released some board games with customizable d6s (picture courtesy of Brickshelf (http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/bricktales/z-classic-castle/dice.jpg)). These, I figure, will when they finally arrive in the US, be perfect for making Fudge dice out of - and hey, it combines LEGO and Dresden into the same activity. How cool is that? ;D
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Custom dice -- which these would be, since each face is not a '1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6' -- that cover all faces are *pricey*. We don't have plans to do custom dice right out the gate.
Maybe there could be a pre-order system. Figure out the base cost of these dice, take people's money in advance with the notion that none will be made until there are a certain number pre-ordered, and then it would be a limited supply kind of thing.
BAM! Instant collectable.
Since we're looking for + + _ _ - - and really only need two symbols (one for + and one for -) maybe something arcane like a pentagram for the + and a skull for the -.
Depending upon the cost, I could see ordering a dozen or more of these. I have 2 packages of FUDGE dice with at total of 40 dice (5 colors of 4 dice each per pack) and would easily be interested in 3-4 sets of 4 dice for my players.
Just a thought.
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The problem with custom dice isn't the number of symbols affected, it's the number of sides. Fudge dice have nonstandard symbology (even blank counts) on all six sides -- if you went to try to get a custom die done like that with, say, Chessex, you'd find yourself paying several bucks *per die*.
It's also, from a small publishing house perspective, a bit of a distraction to be running down a dice order when you could be using that same chunk of time getting a book out. :)
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Hi guys.
I'm new to the forums but, being a keen Dresden fan and RPGer thought I'd join. Noticed this thread and thought this links might be of interest...
http://q-workshop.com/products.php?lang=EN&sell_type=DETAL¤cy=EUR&category=Special%20Fudge-Elvish (http://q-workshop.com/products.php?lang=EN&sell_type=DETAL¤cy=EUR&category=Special%20Fudge-Elvish)
http://q-workshop.com/products.php?lang=EN&sell_type=DETAL¤cy=EUR&category=Special%20Fudge-Runic (http://q-workshop.com/products.php?lang=EN&sell_type=DETAL¤cy=EUR&category=Special%20Fudge-Runic)
I've got a bunch for Fudge and they're pretty cool.
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I've got a bunch for Fudge and there pretty cool.
Expensive as all get-out, though, no?
I seem to recall feeling like their dice were very, very pretty -- but felt a little light and small in the hand compared to what I'm used to with Fudge Dice.
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Expensive as all get-out, though, no?
I seem to recall feeling like their dice were very, very pretty -- but felt a little light and small in the hand compared to what I'm used to with Fudge Dice.
Well they're certainly not cheap - 2.50 Eur (which at present exchange rates equates to $3.70 US). As for being light and small compared to other Fudge dice, I'd have to disagree. They're the same dimensions and feel the same weight; although I haven't actually weighed them on a set of scales ;)
What I will say though, is "they's shur look purdy".
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Well they're certainly not cheap - 2.50 Eur (which at present exchange rates equates to $3.70 US). As for being light and small compared to other Fudge dice, I'd have to disagree. They're the same dimensions and feel the same weight; although I haven't actually weighed them on a set of scales ;)
What I will say though, is "they's shur look purdy".
Maybe they've improved since I last had an opportunity to see some they produced. :)
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Well,
I've done some asking around some UK manufacturers and the price comes in around this ball park:
100 x 18mm custom dice with 4 special faces and 2 blank faces - 1.20 GBP per dice
100 x 22mm custom dice with 4 special faces and 2 blank faces - 1.52 GBP per dice
Royal Mail 1st Class will be a maximum of 4.25 GBP for the 22mm dice
Then VAT at 15%
Lead time at the moment is approx 3 weeks
So about £175 for a hundred (25 sets of fudge dice at 4 dice to a set) which is a bit steep but for me that's only really enough for 4 sets (based on 1 for the gm and 5 players), I'm sure we can get more. Also they have cited what I asked for (+ & -) so having arcane symbol and skull may not be any more expensive.
If there were say 50 gms buying dice for their game say 5 sets on average that might make an interesting reduction to the cost though shipping round the world may make this idea null and void anyway.
But say if the following is met
People are prepared to pay up front but wait til 5 weeks before Origins for the order to go in (so order can be put in and shipped out so you have the dice in time for playing and hopefully more people can hear of it and add in orders to get the cost down more)
Choice is made on what the symbols would be (I think skull and star would be ok)
People are prepared to hand over say $15.00 per set to cover postage to cover purchase and shipping (with a return of any excess), I'm guessing the cost would come down a bit if we can up the order
then I'm happy to do the organising ;-)
Chris
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I found a place where I could get dice with a pentagram on two sides, skull on two sides, blank on the other two -- if I order 100 I can get them for less than $2.50 per die. (Not sure how this translates into UK money.)
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I found a place where I could get dice with a pentagram on two sides, skull on two sides, blank on the other two -- if I order 100 I can get them for less than $2.50 per die. (Not sure how this translates into UK money.)
Yeah, I think folks getting the dice at cost will definitely win out here. If I wanted to make a 4-die set costing $2.50 profitable, in a way that could be sold through retail without me losing money, that $10 it could cost to make a 4-die set would require a pricetag of around $20-25. For *four dice*. (Publishers tend to see around 40% of the sale price of something. 40% of $25 is $10.)
So if folks want to do a fan-driven effort to produce some special Dresden Dice, I'm all for it -- it's the best cost solution for both the fans (the dice are more reasonable) and for us (because we aren't devoting any financial resources that would be better spent on the book itself).
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Call me a cheapskate, but I still like the die blanks and permanent marker solution. :D
More money left over to spend on books ;D
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Call me a cheapskate, but I still like the die blanks and permanent marker solution. :D
More money left over to spend on books ;D
You don't even need to do that. I've played around with FATE using 4d6 and reading 1 and 2 as minus, 3 and 4 as blank, and 5 and 6 as plus. It takes like five minutes before you're used to it, then it plays almost as fast as normal Fudge dice.