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Questions for Mab
« on: March 11, 2025, 10:09:29 PM »
Didn’t Molly mention having significant financial resources as Winter Lady… as such… and because it would make Harry more effective and efficient as Winter Knight shouldn’t Harry ask Mab about a salary or financial resources available to him as Winter Knight?

Any other questions Harry should address to Mab?
"Maybe there will be a laundry emergency at the Carpenter house, and Harry shows up with detergent saying, 'I am Harry of the White Council. And I come back to you now at the turn of the TideTM.'" -  Vairelome 9/25/2011

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2025, 02:26:26 PM »
Didn’t Molly mention having significant financial resources as Winter Lady… as such… and because it would make Harry more effective and efficient as Winter Knight shouldn’t Harry ask Mab about a salary or financial resources available to him as Winter Knight?

Any other questions Harry should address to Mab?

I think it was mentioned in Skin Game by Harry that while Mab and the Winter Court gives Molly more than ample money for her needs, they do not pay the Winter Knight.  Not sure if it is custom or a rule, the first he could negotiate, the second, not.. 

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2025, 02:33:26 PM »
Jim has directly addressed this if I remember correctly. Harry asked for and got the ability to save Maggie. He gets strength as the Winter Knight, Lea's temporary help to get Maggie out, and the continuing ability to walk. If Harry asked for a salary, I could Mab saying something "To people paralyzed like you actually are, the ability to walk would be priceless. This is your salary."

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2025, 03:10:26 PM »
... because it would make Harry more effective and efficient as Winter Knight shouldn’t Harry ask Mab about a salary or financial resources available to him as Winter Knight? ...
Jim has directly addressed this if I remember correctly. Harry asked for and got the ability to save Maggie ...

Yeah, this.

Harry gets everything he bargained for there under the stars, at the Stone Table.

Everything.

And not a single bit more.

(except a tiny bit here or there, as he manages to leverage new points by virtue of being the Winter Knight and having understanding of Faerie Law and Winter Law (e.g. Mab was annoyed with him for summoning her to Judgement in Talvi Inverno's office, but it was a correct use of Winter Law by the Winter Knight; so she was compelled to do it).  salary is nowhere in this. )
 

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2025, 03:17:56 PM »
Didn’t Molly mention having significant financial resources as Winter Lady …

Molly does have significant financial resources.
I'm not _at all_ clear that she didn't earn those herself.  I rather suspect she did not inherit any "Winter Lady Wealth" per se.

She gets the asset of Arctis Minor (which sits in the Nevernever, and she cannot sell), and she gets the powers of the Winter Lady's Mantle.

But a smart girl like Molly can leverage these things to an incredible degree.  I expect she could have become a multi-millionaire within a month of Mab releasing her from whatever "basic training" she had imposed.
 

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2025, 03:56:25 PM »
[quoteBut a smart girl like Molly can leverage these things to an incredible degree.  I expect she could have become a multi-millionaire within a month of Mab releasing her from whatever "basic training" she had imposed.][/quote]

I imagine she already is..

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2025, 03:26:58 PM »
In “The Law” Harry mentions how he only has funds to run the Castle for 18 months… that must be his Skin Game loot.  At some point Harry’s constant money problems are just ridiculous.  Can our Author not just addess that?
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Malcom =/= KotC

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2025, 04:26:48 PM »
In “The Law” Harry mentions how he only has funds to run the Castle for 18 months… that must be his Skin Game loot.  At some point Harry’s constant money problems are just ridiculous.  Can our Author not just addess that?

It's like the RPG problem, where the Dungeon Master has accidentally given the players too much loot.
Now Harry has a much higher cost of living!

I think this cash-crunch issue is one Jim is reluctant to give up...  It's one of the tropes of the genre.

I'm not sure Jim has really thought this through, however:  Harry's going to need to elevate his P.I. clientele WAY above the usual DF fare, if he's to make his (new) Rent.   ;)   Taxes & operating costs for the castle are WAY more than Mrs. Spunkelcrief ever charged him!  Cheap-o & semi-pro-bono work (as in The Law) just ain't gonna cut it anymore.

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2025, 05:19:32 PM »
It's like the RPG problem, where the Dungeon Master has accidentally given the players too much loot.
Now Harry has a much higher cost of living!

I think this cash-crunch issue is one Jim is reluctant to give up...  It's one of the tropes of the genre.

I'm not sure Jim has really thought this through, however:  Harry's going to need to elevate his P.I. clientele WAY above the usual DF fare, if he's to make his (new) Rent.   ;)   Taxes & operating costs for the castle are WAY more than Mrs. Spunkelcrief ever charged him!  Cheap-o & semi-pro-bono work (as in The Law) just ain't gonna cut it anymore.

Unless this being Chicago, Marcone already had a deal with City Hall to keep the taxes down way further than you'd think it would be.  My father in law used to own commercial property in Chicago, and after he died my brothers in law and sister in law along with my husband were in dismay of the taxes.. In waltzed a handy dandy tax lawyer, for a price, though I don't understand or remember the details, the taxes were reduced..If that kind of agreement came with the deed to the property, things in terms of taxes anyway, Harry's tax liability might not be as bad as you'd think.

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2025, 05:44:57 PM »
Unless this being Chicago, Marcone already had a deal with City Hall to keep the taxes down way further than you'd think it would be.  My father in law used to own commercial property in Chicago, and after he died my brothers in law and sister in law along with my husband were in dismay of the taxes.. In waltzed a handy dandy tax lawyer, for a price, though I don't understand or remember the details, the taxes were reduced..If that kind of agreement came with the deed to the property, things in terms of taxes anyway, Harry's tax liability might not be as bad as you'd think.
Even if the taxes were reduced to zero, the sheer cost of keeping the power on, the garbage service running, etc, is gonna be huge.

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2025, 12:23:53 PM »
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Even if the taxes were reduced to zero, the sheer cost of keeping the power on, the garbage service running, etc, is gonna be huge.
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That's true, and will be a problem.  However if you remember Harry used to heat his apartment with a fireplace and take cold showers even in Chicago winters...  So discomfort I don't think bothers him much, and those living rent free will have either put up with it or move out.  Some by now might be paying rent or have moved out, he will still have to deal with recycling pizza boxes etc..



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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2025, 06:31:05 AM »
In “The Law” Harry mentions how he only has funds to run the Castle for 18 months… that must be his Skin Game loot.  At some point Harry’s constant money problems are just ridiculous.  Can our Author not just addess that?

I'm pretty sure the Author has no wish to do so.

Money is power.  If Harry has access to lots of cash on a regular basis, his life gets easier, his options more extensive, it gets harder to wrap him in plot difficulties.

Remember back in Turn Coat:  Harry was hiding Morgan from the Council and almost everyone else, but he had only a handful of places he could use.  Luckily for him, most of the people hunting him were used to having lots of resources and didn't fully grasp how limited Harry's options were.

Binder did get it, and he actually said at one point "Money never gets it."  Binder is working class background and he understood exactly why Harry was doing things they way he did them.

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Re: Questions for Mab
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2025, 10:44:30 AM »
I'm pretty sure the Author has no wish to do so.

Money is power.  If Harry has access to lots of cash on a regular basis, his life gets easier, his options more extensive, it gets harder to wrap him in plot difficulties.

Remember back in Turn Coat:  Harry was hiding Morgan from the Council and almost everyone else, but he had only a handful of places he could use.  Luckily for him, most of the people hunting him were used to having lots of resources and didn't fully grasp how limited Harry's options were.

Binder did get it, and he actually said at one point "Money never gets it."  Binder is working class background and he understood exactly why Harry was doing things they way he did them.

I agree with SerScot,  time for that aspect of the story to move on.  Harry living hand to mouth is getting old, and frankly a waste of page space when so much else is going on. And yes, most people will tell you that there is never enough money.  If push comes to shove his Winter Lady, Molly could help him out a bit, she did after all supply him with a nice apartment for a time until Thomas ruined it for him.  If he does marry Lara, it will also be solved since she has plenty of money for the both of them and more. However that may not be a price that he is willing to pay.